You do know what a straw man argument is right? I’m concerned you don’t…

Jan 1, 2025
9:34:15pm

LOLzzz 3rd String

You seem to only be able to bring up the straw man you have created because your initial argument doesn’t hold water.

My argument stands whether we made the CFP or not. Always room to improve and keep growing. Your argument completely depends on BYU being mistreated by the committee( which is who I assume you meant to refer to when you said “we must win not so we don’t rely on CFP, which doesn’t make sense as I thought the CFP was the goal here?).

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BYU ABSOLUTELY should have been in the playoffs

Bigtimeballer

12/29/24 1:29am

Eh. I'm over it. You should move on too.

byujacob

12/29/24 1:31am

They absolutely did not deserve to be in the playoffs, losing two out of their

44C

12/29/24 6:51am

We just destroyed a co#1 and watched 3 of those teams drop turds vs similar comp

Pretorian

12/29/24 7:30am

I totally agree with you hindsight is 2020

44C

12/29/24 9:26am

Most of us knew this before

Pretorian

12/29/24 4:03pm

We controlled our own destiny is not a great argument.

NYCougz

12/29/24 1:31am

How else would you describe starting 9-0 and then going 1-3 to end the season?

LOLzzz

12/29/24 1:42am

First of all, we didn't go 1-3. So there's that.

byujacob

12/29/24 1:46am

Every team that didn’t win the conference could say the same thing.

NYCougz

12/29/24 1:55am

So if even if we won out (which was ver possible) you don’t think we would have

LOLzzz

12/29/24 2:24am

Of course we would have been. If we went undefeated, we would be in

NYCougz

12/29/24 2:26am

That sounds like the definition controlling one’s destiny to me then…

LOLzzz

12/29/24 9:12am

Yes just like every other team. Every team controls their own destiny.

NYCougz

12/29/24 11:39am

Not every team starts 9-0. That puts you firmly in the drivers seat. Not every

LOLzzz

12/29/24 1:21pm

Every game counts the same. Every team can win their way in.

NYCougz

12/29/24 1:49pm

A 6th win means a lot more than just having 5 wins. Losing 2 of your last three

LOLzzz

12/29/24 2:45pm

No it’s how you lose games early. You should take every game seriously.

NYCougz

12/29/24 2:50pm

And Kansas was red hot and only a 2 pt dog at Provo

NYCougz

12/29/24 2:52pm

Sorry, I must have forgot that they put an astride next to an L saying if it was

LOLzzz

12/29/24 3:05pm

Every game matters … this comment was just addressing your comment about Kansas

NYCougz

12/29/24 3:12pm

Correct, and I stand by the comment. A loss is a loss. No sugar coating…

LOLzzz

12/29/24 3:31pm

Exactly what I have been saying. A loss is a loss whether week 3 or week 9.

NYCougz

12/29/24 3:36pm

You were trying to say the Kansas loss wasn’t as bad because it was a close game

LOLzzz

12/29/24 3:55pm

Uhh no. You misunderstood or I misspoke.

NYCougz

12/29/24 7:15pm

Exactly what this discussion started as. BYU controlled their destiny and that

LOLzzz

12/29/24 10:04pm

No it’s not because every team can say the same thing.

NYCougz

12/29/24 10:58pm

Look back at the initial post on this discussion. He is talking about how BYU

LOLzzz

12/29/24 11:12pm

Every team in a power conference controls their own destiny.

NYCougz

12/29/24 11:43pm

When we are talking about the CFP (which the initial post was referring to)

LOLzzz

12/29/24 11:54pm

That makes no sense. First this is one year into the process and multiple teams

NYCougz

12/30/24 12:02am

I addressed that as the committee takes momentum into account.

LOLzzz

12/30/24 12:36am

So in your world the teams with the easier end of the year will be in better

NYCougz

12/30/24 12:50am

No, the teams playing better football will get a better position.

LOLzzz

12/30/24 1:08am

You are the one with the arbitrary thinking … not them.

NYCougz

12/30/24 1:15am

And we are comparing us to teams that did get in.

NYCougz

12/30/24 12:04am

A loss in the CCG (an extra game) does not hurt a team like a loss

LOLzzz

12/30/24 12:40am

Exactly! Teams on your plan would schedule fcs teams at the end of the year.

NYCougz

12/30/24 12:54am

No, winning games is everything. We had 3 winnable games and won 1. Simple.

LOLzzz

12/30/24 1:09am

As did all the other teams with 2 losses.

NYCougz

12/30/24 1:17am

That’s where I can’t feel bad for us…. We literally controlled our own destiny.

LOLzzz

12/30/24 1:28am

It’s not about feeling bad. Yes just win all your games and you are in.

NYCougz

12/30/24 1:36am

I just think your opinion lacks accountability…

LOLzzz

12/30/24 8:12am

Not at all. I think we should try to win every game.

NYCougz

12/30/24 11:26am

That’s what you’re saying. We aren’t in when we should have gotten an at large

LOLzzz

12/30/24 11:47am

Every at large team is in the same boat. The thread is evaluating the committes

NYCougz

12/30/24 11:52am

And one last time, I think your thinking is arbitrary not the committee.

NYCougz

12/30/24 11:29am

No, my justification is momentum matters late in the season. To drop 2 games

LOLzzz

12/30/24 11:50am

The thread is about did the committee make the right decision.

NYCougz

12/30/24 11:54am

Re-read the initial post buddy.

LOLzzz

12/30/24 12:07pm

Please tell me you are joking. We already know that. The discussion is are we

NYCougz

12/30/24 12:13pm

Only those that didn’t take advantage…

LOLzzz

12/30/24 12:21pm

Perhaps you don’t understand what an at large bid is.

NYCougz

12/30/24 12:38pm

I know what an at large bid is. I’m saying go get a guaranteed spot so

LOLzzz

12/30/24 1:05pm

So your position as I understand it:

NYCougz

12/30/24 3:16pm

Not just my position but the position of the committee you are crying about.

LOLzzz

12/30/24 9:37pm

So where is it said that if you lose 2 out 3 you are out? Did the committee say

NYCougz

12/30/24 10:38pm

You are the one interpreting that. Nobody is saying that.

LOLzzz

12/31/24 9:10pm

So if Alabama lost two games in a row at the end of the season and lost by 3 at

NYCougz

Jan 1, 1:05pm

This is a straw man 😂 Alambama didn’t get in either!

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 1:27pm

Oh my goodness. This is called a hypothetical. Im saying next year in this

NYCougz

Jan 1, 1:59pm

Again, this is definitively a straw man. Plenty of 2 and 3 loss teams missed

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 2:14pm

Is Alabama eliminated in this hypothetical?

NYCougz

Jan 1, 2:24pm

Who’s going to get the last word?

Your Royal Blueness

Jan 1, 2:27pm

If they drop one at home to an unranked team, absolutely.

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 2:29pm

So for the record. Alabama loses by 3 at home to a non ranked opponent.

NYCougz

Jan 1, 2:44pm

This discussion is is at the time the CFP was decided.

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 2:54pm

Sorry you gave your answer in the hypothetical when I just changed the names.

NYCougz

Jan 1, 3:04pm

Now your turn 😂

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 2:29pm

Answered above in my reply. Which is a new question as opposed to should we

NYCougz

Jan 1, 2:46pm

So you believe BYU was playing good ball down the stretch. Interesting…

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 2:55pm

So you think asu is really bad….huh?

NYCougz

Jan 1, 3:06pm

I’ve been consistent.

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 3:13pm

No you have not. I do not believe you when you say bama would be out.

NYCougz

Jan 1, 3:23pm

Aw yes, your random straw man argument that I gave a direct answer to?

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 3:36pm

The fact that you don’t know that a hypothetical is to test your assertion

NYCougz

Jan 1, 3:44pm

No, I believe that as I am consistent.

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 3:58pm

Alabama would not be eliminated.

NYCougz

Jan 1, 4:32pm

I said they would be. At least I’m consistent. You are all over the place.

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 5:08pm

You are consistent but just nobody else thinks that. Nobody else thinks

NYCougz

Jan 1, 5:23pm

Easy to say that for the straw man you set up.

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 5:55pm

This was a simple analysis that has gone over your head.

NYCougz

Jan 1, 6:13pm

Again, the whole Alabama argument is a complete straw man.

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 6:37pm

Right Alabama would be eliminated under this pattern.

NYCougz

Jan 1, 6:43pm

I never brought up Alabama, you did. Still is a straw man to hide behind your

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 8:56pm

It was a thought exercise. You think if Alabama next year did what we did

NYCougz

Jan 1, 9:23pm

You do know what a straw man argument is right? I’m concerned you don’t…

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 9:34pm

In most discussions, there are comparisons and hypotheticals to test someone’s

NYCougz

Jan 1, 9:44pm

Still don’t think you understand a straw man 😂

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 11:49pm

It’s a discussion board. There are going to be lots of conversations about

NYCougz

12/30/24 11:55am

And we were 9-0 because other teams lost control of their destiny earlier

NYCougz

12/29/24 1:52pm

Which 3 games did BYU lose?

mulletino

12/29/24 2:03am

Kansas, ASU, Big12 tiebreakers

robin

12/29/24 2:24am

LOLzzz

Ozymandias

12/29/24 3:08am

Is this a math question? How does a 2 loss team go 1-3?

Blue Heart

12/29/24 7:29am

I meant one out of the last three games.

LOLzzz

12/29/24 9:15am

Huh 1-3?

chitownboy

12/29/24 7:33am

How about the explanation that we played the two toughest teams in the schedule in our 10th and the 11th games

KYU

12/29/24 4:02pm

Just because we lost to Kansas doesn’t make it one of our toughest games

LOLzzz

12/29/24 6:00pm

Kansas was one of the best teams in the big 12 as the season progressed

KYU

12/30/24 1:01am

When you are the end of your season and you play like crap in three games in a

44C

12/29/24 9:27am

11-2. Let’s move on and hope the ACC isn’t given two spots next year.

SausageKing

12/29/24 1:32am

in some ways the ACC essentially had 3 with ND

palangi

12/29/24 1:34am

We need Arizona St to do well.

Jstak17

12/29/24 2:24am

i agree, but i’m not super upset with it either. if i had higher expectations

FieroCoug

12/29/24 1:32am

We potentially are top 12 but didn't win when we needed to. SMU didn't get

johnnybyu

12/29/24 1:33am

Don't say why we lost to KU or those with blinders will throw more tantrums.

88Coug

12/29/24 1:34am

several playoff teams had worse losses, and BYUs other loss was far better

FieroCoug

12/29/24 1:36am

Bias for the two top conferences is going to be there. Only way to change it is

Jstak17

12/29/24 2:33am

BYU was the only ranked team colorado played and all the stars were playing.

FieroCoug

12/29/24 2:34am

Common opponents shows something else imo. However far you want to take that.

Jstak17

12/29/24 2:53am

it was probably the best win of the season and it’s not like there were opt outs

FieroCoug

12/29/24 5:25pm

Sadly, the worst loss for any team in the CFP would have been the B12 team

scherbie

12/29/24 9:21am

NIU is certainly a worse loss than kansas. and arkansas is also a worse loss

FieroCoug

12/29/24 6:47pm

Nah they lost the play in game against Arizona State. They win that game and they get to play again. 1 of 3 down the

KYU

12/29/24 1:44am

timing of losses only matters to make bad non conference losses irrelevant for

FieroCoug

12/29/24 1:51am

Should be based on full body of work.

NYCougz

12/29/24 2:19am

It’s funny how so many have in their heads that we went 1-3 down the stretch.

Your Royal Blueness

12/29/24 1:57am

Maybe the committee thought we lost 3 games?!?

NYCougz

12/29/24 2:05am

Which should not matter at all. So should we schedule a fcs game late to

NYCougz

12/29/24 2:04am

The problem is the perception of the conference. More than just us. The team

Jstak17

12/29/24 2:36am

No question the big 10 and sec have huge perception advantages.

NYCougz

12/29/24 2:40am

Did you watch Indiana and Tennessee?

slatecoug

12/29/24 4:01am

Tennessee was destroyed by a big 10 team and Indiana was destroyed by

JoeExotic

12/29/24 4:59am

The CFP committee needs to be using metrics just like they do in BBal

slatecoug

12/29/24 4:04am

The computer metrics said good things about the Big 12.... But not about any particular Big 12 team

krindorr

12/29/24 4:46am

You missed the point of my post.

slatecoug

12/29/24 3:48pm

They lost back-to-back play in games to the CCG. That toasted their CFP chances.

idcougarfan

12/29/24 4:43am

Which shouldn’t have had to be play-in games in the first place.

Brandoblueblood

12/29/24 7:47am

Well, good thing we DIDN’T go 1-3. OP wins the argument

Brandoblueblood

12/29/24 7:43am

That’s recency bias at its best

Lefty24

12/29/24 7:57am

Shouldn’t you be out giving an AJ post a POTD or something?

AZPTCOUG

12/29/24 12:36pm

1-3 in most sports lingo is 1 W 3 L. 1/3 or 1 and 2 would make more sense to most.

mulletino

12/29/24 3:08pm

Did Colorado just become…our new rival?!

Brandoblueblood

12/29/24 8:07pm

When I wrote 1-3 it was one of three games. Not one win two losses

KYU

12/29/24 8:12pm

Yes, thus the confusion because that’s not how it’s written in college football.

mulletino

12/31/24 12:09am

Teams I would have liked to see have a crack at the playoffs this year:

Countcougula

12/29/24 1:48am

I like where it’s at. But they should make all teams play one or two out

Jstak17

12/29/24 2:56am

Good argument for two teams out of the Big Twelvd. Which probably adds Iowa St

Jstak17

12/29/24 2:23am

BYU was a great team. . .

Zoobieman

12/29/24 6:29am

They didn't deserve it. They had their chance and choked.

NorthBayCoug

12/29/24 6:31am

^^this is what I’m talking about…

Bigtimeballer

12/29/24 9:35am

They don't deserve it. That's why they aren't in the CFP

NorthBayCoug

12/29/24 12:52pm

We def should’ve been in over SMU. In hindsight prob over Indiana too

zerome4sooners

12/29/24 6:31am

Why in hindsight? Indiana had 0 top 50 wins. That one still baffles me

archie

12/29/24 6:57am

Yeah, you’re right. They played 1 ranked team and got slaughtered

zerome4sooners

12/29/24 7:44am

Right, and BYU played 3 and barely got beat by 1 on the road

Brandoblueblood

12/29/24 7:49am

throw in how espn skews the rankings of teams by over rating

bald man

12/29/24 6:37am

BYU looked nothing like a playoff team late in the season

MyTwoCents

12/29/24 7:19am

Every game tells its own story. I don’t think there was a huge drop off. Kansas

Jstak17

12/29/24 7:41am

So schedule patsies in November. Got it.

YOHONOMOTO

12/29/24 1:03pm

I hate the subjectivity too

MyTwoCents

12/29/24 10:36pm

If nothing else, BYU should have been more seriously considered.

Soupie

12/29/24 7:22am

I don’t care what conference you’re in…

BlueBeliever

12/29/24 7:48am

Very good team that was in every game but didn’t show dominance until last night

rcl17

12/29/24 7:57am

Ummmm…. KState was a close win???

NYC and Japan

12/29/24 8:36am

UCF was also dominant where late scores by UCF made it look far closer than it was. Like last night.

Soupie

12/29/24 9:09am

That's just the Kalani feel-good style for beating opponents.

Les IsMore

12/29/24 10:42am

Yep which is my point. BYU was more dominant than some games looked if just seeing scores. For pollsters

Soupie

12/29/24 11:00am

Sets the stage for next year’s team starting with a Top-25 preseason ranking.

firstandten

12/29/24 8:23am

RE: BYU ABSOLUTELY should have been in the playoffs

MrGeneric

12/29/24 8:27am

I’ve been saying this for a month. Mostly with thumbs down.

Idacoug

12/29/24 8:50am

Anyone on here saying differently should hangup their blue and white and go cheer for the Ute’s. Benedict Arnolds

NonmormonYfan89

12/29/24 8:55am

We just looked like a team that was sliding versus rising to close the year.

SnickSnack

12/29/24 11:23am

Nah…not seeing it.

SoggyBB

12/29/24 11:26am

It’s funny we just watched BYU dismantle CU like a playoff team and BYU “fans”

YOHONOMOTO

12/29/24 11:33am

Self-loathing BYU fans…every party needs one

zerome4sooners

12/29/24 4:06pm

Facts. All the fans arguing otherwise are probs Kamala voters

d10e15

12/29/24 11:43am

Takes some real insecurity to bring politics into it.

Jstak17

12/29/24 12:21pm

Geez, sorry to hurt your feelings buddy.

d10e15

12/29/24 12:49pm

It’s ok. I’m practicing some of my breathing exercises my shrink gave me.

Jstak17

12/29/24 12:56pm

The team that played yesterday would have represented themselves well

BYU Fan

12/29/24 2:55pm

It wouldn't have been punishing SMU, it would have been rewarding BYU for playin

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