The CFP committee needs to be using metrics just like they do in BBal

Dec 29, 2024
4:04:47am

slatecoug All-American

This year's metrics showed the Big 12 was far better than the CFP committee was treating them.

OTOH, the committee overvalued the ACC all year long. The idea that the ACC could get 2 teams in should never have been on the table based solely upon the metrics.

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BYU ABSOLUTELY should have been in the playoffs

Bigtimeballer

Dec 29, 1:29am

Eh. I'm over it. You should move on too.

byujacob

Dec 29, 1:31am

They absolutely did not deserve to be in the playoffs, losing two out of their

44C

Dec 29, 6:51am

We just destroyed a co#1 and watched 3 of those teams drop turds vs similar comp

Pretorian

Dec 29, 7:30am

I totally agree with you hindsight is 2020

44C

Dec 29, 9:26am

Most of us knew this before

Pretorian

Dec 29, 4:03pm

We controlled our own destiny is not a great argument.

NYCougz

Dec 29, 1:31am

How else would you describe starting 9-0 and then going 1-3 to end the season?

LOLzzz

Dec 29, 1:42am

First of all, we didn't go 1-3. So there's that.

byujacob

Dec 29, 1:46am

Every team that didn’t win the conference could say the same thing.

NYCougz

Dec 29, 1:55am

So if even if we won out (which was ver possible) you don’t think we would have

LOLzzz

Dec 29, 2:24am

Of course we would have been. If we went undefeated, we would be in

NYCougz

Dec 29, 2:26am

That sounds like the definition controlling one’s destiny to me then…

LOLzzz

Dec 29, 9:12am

Yes just like every other team. Every team controls their own destiny.

NYCougz

Dec 29, 11:39am

Not every team starts 9-0. That puts you firmly in the drivers seat. Not every

LOLzzz

Dec 29, 1:21pm

Every game counts the same. Every team can win their way in.

NYCougz

Dec 29, 1:49pm

A 6th win means a lot more than just having 5 wins. Losing 2 of your last three

LOLzzz

Dec 29, 2:45pm

No it’s how you lose games early. You should take every game seriously.

NYCougz

Dec 29, 2:50pm

And Kansas was red hot and only a 2 pt dog at Provo

NYCougz

Dec 29, 2:52pm

Sorry, I must have forgot that they put an astride next to an L saying if it was

LOLzzz

Dec 29, 3:05pm

Every game matters … this comment was just addressing your comment about Kansas

NYCougz

Dec 29, 3:12pm

Correct, and I stand by the comment. A loss is a loss. No sugar coating…

LOLzzz

Dec 29, 3:31pm

Exactly what I have been saying. A loss is a loss whether week 3 or week 9.

NYCougz

Dec 29, 3:36pm

You were trying to say the Kansas loss wasn’t as bad because it was a close game

LOLzzz

Dec 29, 3:55pm

Uhh no. You misunderstood or I misspoke.

NYCougz

Dec 29, 7:15pm

Exactly what this discussion started as. BYU controlled their destiny and that

LOLzzz

Dec 29, 10:04pm

No it’s not because every team can say the same thing.

NYCougz

Dec 29, 10:58pm

Look back at the initial post on this discussion. He is talking about how BYU

LOLzzz

Dec 29, 11:12pm

Every team in a power conference controls their own destiny.

NYCougz

Dec 29, 11:43pm

When we are talking about the CFP (which the initial post was referring to)

LOLzzz

Dec 29, 11:54pm

That makes no sense. First this is one year into the process and multiple teams

NYCougz

Dec 30, 12:02am

I addressed that as the committee takes momentum into account.

LOLzzz

Dec 30, 12:36am

So in your world the teams with the easier end of the year will be in better

NYCougz

Dec 30, 12:50am

No, the teams playing better football will get a better position.

LOLzzz

Dec 30, 1:08am

You are the one with the arbitrary thinking … not them.

NYCougz

Dec 30, 1:15am

And we are comparing us to teams that did get in.

NYCougz

Dec 30, 12:04am

A loss in the CCG (an extra game) does not hurt a team like a loss

LOLzzz

Dec 30, 12:40am

Exactly! Teams on your plan would schedule fcs teams at the end of the year.

NYCougz

Dec 30, 12:54am

No, winning games is everything. We had 3 winnable games and won 1. Simple.

LOLzzz

Dec 30, 1:09am

As did all the other teams with 2 losses.

NYCougz

Dec 30, 1:17am

That’s where I can’t feel bad for us…. We literally controlled our own destiny.

LOLzzz

Dec 30, 1:28am

It’s not about feeling bad. Yes just win all your games and you are in.

NYCougz

Dec 30, 1:36am

I just think your opinion lacks accountability…

LOLzzz

Dec 30, 8:12am

Not at all. I think we should try to win every game.

NYCougz

Dec 30, 11:26am

That’s what you’re saying. We aren’t in when we should have gotten an at large

LOLzzz

Dec 30, 11:47am

Every at large team is in the same boat. The thread is evaluating the committes

NYCougz

Dec 30, 11:52am

And one last time, I think your thinking is arbitrary not the committee.

NYCougz

Dec 30, 11:29am

No, my justification is momentum matters late in the season. To drop 2 games

LOLzzz

Dec 30, 11:50am

The thread is about did the committee make the right decision.

NYCougz

Dec 30, 11:54am

Re-read the initial post buddy.

LOLzzz

Dec 30, 12:07pm

Please tell me you are joking. We already know that. The discussion is are we

NYCougz

Dec 30, 12:13pm

Only those that didn’t take advantage…

LOLzzz

Dec 30, 12:21pm

Perhaps you don’t understand what an at large bid is.

NYCougz

Dec 30, 12:38pm

I know what an at large bid is. I’m saying go get a guaranteed spot so

LOLzzz

Dec 30, 1:05pm

So your position as I understand it:

NYCougz

Dec 30, 3:16pm

Not just my position but the position of the committee you are crying about.

LOLzzz

Dec 30, 9:37pm

So where is it said that if you lose 2 out 3 you are out? Did the committee say

NYCougz

Dec 30, 10:38pm

You are the one interpreting that. Nobody is saying that.

LOLzzz

9:10pm

It’s a discussion board. There are going to be lots of conversations about

NYCougz

Dec 30, 11:55am

And we were 9-0 because other teams lost control of their destiny earlier

NYCougz

Dec 29, 1:52pm

Which 3 games did BYU lose?

mulletino

Dec 29, 2:03am

Kansas, ASU, Big12 tiebreakers

robin

Dec 29, 2:24am

LOLzzz

Ozymandias

Dec 29, 3:08am

Is this a math question? How does a 2 loss team go 1-3?

Blue Heart

Dec 29, 7:29am

I meant one out of the last three games.

LOLzzz

Dec 29, 9:15am

Huh 1-3?

chitownboy

Dec 29, 7:33am

How about the explanation that we played the two toughest teams in the schedule in our 10th and the 11th games

KYU

Dec 29, 4:02pm

Just because we lost to Kansas doesn’t make it one of our toughest games

LOLzzz

Dec 29, 6:00pm

Kansas was one of the best teams in the big 12 as the season progressed

KYU

Dec 30, 1:01am

When you are the end of your season and you play like crap in three games in a

44C

Dec 29, 9:27am

11-2. Let’s move on and hope the ACC isn’t given two spots next year.

SausageKing

Dec 29, 1:32am

in some ways the ACC essentially had 3 with ND

palangi

Dec 29, 1:34am

We need Arizona St to do well.

Jstak17

Dec 29, 2:24am

i agree, but i’m not super upset with it either. if i had higher expectations

FieroCoug

Dec 29, 1:32am

We potentially are top 12 but didn't win when we needed to. SMU didn't get

johnnybyu

Dec 29, 1:33am

Don't say why we lost to KU or those with blinders will throw more tantrums.

88Coug

Dec 29, 1:34am

several playoff teams had worse losses, and BYUs other loss was far better

FieroCoug

Dec 29, 1:36am

Bias for the two top conferences is going to be there. Only way to change it is

Jstak17

Dec 29, 2:33am

BYU was the only ranked team colorado played and all the stars were playing.

FieroCoug

Dec 29, 2:34am

Common opponents shows something else imo. However far you want to take that.

Jstak17

Dec 29, 2:53am

it was probably the best win of the season and it’s not like there were opt outs

FieroCoug

Dec 29, 5:25pm

Sadly, the worst loss for any team in the CFP would have been the B12 team

scherbie

Dec 29, 9:21am

NIU is certainly a worse loss than kansas. and arkansas is also a worse loss

FieroCoug

Dec 29, 6:47pm

Nah they lost the play in game against Arizona State. They win that game and they get to play again. 1 of 3 down the

KYU

Dec 29, 1:44am

timing of losses only matters to make bad non conference losses irrelevant for

FieroCoug

Dec 29, 1:51am

Should be based on full body of work.

NYCougz

Dec 29, 2:19am

It’s funny how so many have in their heads that we went 1-3 down the stretch.

Your Royal Blueness

Dec 29, 1:57am

Maybe the committee thought we lost 3 games?!?

NYCougz

Dec 29, 2:05am

Which should not matter at all. So should we schedule a fcs game late to

NYCougz

Dec 29, 2:04am

The problem is the perception of the conference. More than just us. The team

Jstak17

Dec 29, 2:36am

No question the big 10 and sec have huge perception advantages.

NYCougz

Dec 29, 2:40am

Did you watch Indiana and Tennessee?

slatecoug

Dec 29, 4:01am

Tennessee was destroyed by a big 10 team and Indiana was destroyed by

JoeExotic

Dec 29, 4:59am

The CFP committee needs to be using metrics just like they do in BBal

slatecoug

Dec 29, 4:04am

The computer metrics said good things about the Big 12.... But not about any particular Big 12 team

krindorr

Dec 29, 4:46am

You missed the point of my post.

slatecoug

Dec 29, 3:48pm

They lost back-to-back play in games to the CCG. That toasted their CFP chances.

idcougarfan

Dec 29, 4:43am

Which shouldn’t have had to be play-in games in the first place.

Brandoblueblood

Dec 29, 7:47am

Well, good thing we DIDN’T go 1-3. OP wins the argument

Brandoblueblood

Dec 29, 7:43am

That’s recency bias at its best

Lefty24

Dec 29, 7:57am

Shouldn’t you be out giving an AJ post a POTD or something?

AZPTCOUG

Dec 29, 12:36pm

1-3 in most sports lingo is 1 W 3 L. 1/3 or 1 and 2 would make more sense to most.

mulletino

Dec 29, 3:08pm

Did Colorado just become…our new rival?!

Brandoblueblood

Dec 29, 8:07pm

When I wrote 1-3 it was one of three games. Not one win two losses

KYU

Dec 29, 8:12pm

Yes, thus the confusion because that’s not how it’s written in college football.

mulletino

12:09am

Teams I would have liked to see have a crack at the playoffs this year:

Countcougula

Dec 29, 1:48am

I like where it’s at. But they should make all teams play one or two out

Jstak17

Dec 29, 2:56am

Good argument for two teams out of the Big Twelvd. Which probably adds Iowa St

Jstak17

Dec 29, 2:23am

BYU was a great team. . .

Zoobieman

Dec 29, 6:29am

They didn't deserve it. They had their chance and choked.

NorthBayCoug

Dec 29, 6:31am

^^this is what I’m talking about…

Bigtimeballer

Dec 29, 9:35am

They don't deserve it. That's why they aren't in the CFP

NorthBayCoug

Dec 29, 12:52pm

We def should’ve been in over SMU. In hindsight prob over Indiana too

zerome4sooners

Dec 29, 6:31am

Why in hindsight? Indiana had 0 top 50 wins. That one still baffles me

archie

Dec 29, 6:57am

Yeah, you’re right. They played 1 ranked team and got slaughtered

zerome4sooners

Dec 29, 7:44am

Right, and BYU played 3 and barely got beat by 1 on the road

Brandoblueblood

Dec 29, 7:49am

throw in how espn skews the rankings of teams by over rating

bald man

Dec 29, 6:37am

BYU looked nothing like a playoff team late in the season

MyTwoCents

Dec 29, 7:19am

Every game tells its own story. I don’t think there was a huge drop off. Kansas

Jstak17

Dec 29, 7:41am

So schedule patsies in November. Got it.

YOHONOMOTO

Dec 29, 1:03pm

I hate the subjectivity too

MyTwoCents

Dec 29, 10:36pm

If nothing else, BYU should have been more seriously considered.

Soupie

Dec 29, 7:22am

I don’t care what conference you’re in…

BlueBeliever

Dec 29, 7:48am

Very good team that was in every game but didn’t show dominance until last night

rcl17

Dec 29, 7:57am

Ummmm…. KState was a close win???

NYC and Japan

Dec 29, 8:36am

UCF was also dominant where late scores by UCF made it look far closer than it was. Like last night.

Soupie

Dec 29, 9:09am

That's just the Kalani feel-good style for beating opponents.

Les IsMore

Dec 29, 10:42am

Yep which is my point. BYU was more dominant than some games looked if just seeing scores. For pollsters

Soupie

Dec 29, 11:00am

Sets the stage for next year’s team starting with a Top-25 preseason ranking.

firstandten

Dec 29, 8:23am

RE: BYU ABSOLUTELY should have been in the playoffs

MrGeneric

Dec 29, 8:27am

I’ve been saying this for a month. Mostly with thumbs down.

Idacoug

Dec 29, 8:50am

Anyone on here saying differently should hangup their blue and white and go cheer for the Ute’s. Benedict Arnolds

NonmormonYfan89

Dec 29, 8:55am

We just looked like a team that was sliding versus rising to close the year.

SnickSnack

Dec 29, 11:23am

Nah…not seeing it.

SoggyBB

Dec 29, 11:26am

It’s funny we just watched BYU dismantle CU like a playoff team and BYU “fans”

YOHONOMOTO

Dec 29, 11:33am

Self-loathing BYU fans…every party needs one

zerome4sooners

Dec 29, 4:06pm

Facts. All the fans arguing otherwise are probs Kamala voters

d10e15

Dec 29, 11:43am

Takes some real insecurity to bring politics into it.

Jstak17

Dec 29, 12:21pm

Geez, sorry to hurt your feelings buddy.

d10e15

Dec 29, 12:49pm

It’s ok. I’m practicing some of my breathing exercises my shrink gave me.

Jstak17

Dec 29, 12:56pm

The team that played yesterday would have represented themselves well

BYU Fan

Dec 29, 2:55pm

It wouldn't have been punishing SMU, it would have been rewarding BYU for playin

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