We potentially are top 12 but didn't win when we needed to. SMU didn't get

Dec 29, 2024
1:33:16am

johnnybyu All-American

punished for playing in a CCG. If our 2nd loss was in the CCG we would have been in over them but going 1-2 to end the season and losing to Kansas cost us.

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BYU ABSOLUTELY should have been in the playoffs

Bigtimeballer

12/29/24 1:29am

Eh. I'm over it. You should move on too.

byujacob

12/29/24 1:31am

They absolutely did not deserve to be in the playoffs, losing two out of their

44C

12/29/24 6:51am

We just destroyed a co#1 and watched 3 of those teams drop turds vs similar comp

Pretorian

12/29/24 7:30am

I totally agree with you hindsight is 2020

44C

12/29/24 9:26am

Most of us knew this before

Pretorian

12/29/24 4:03pm

We controlled our own destiny is not a great argument.

NYCougz

12/29/24 1:31am

How else would you describe starting 9-0 and then going 1-3 to end the season?

LOLzzz

12/29/24 1:42am

First of all, we didn't go 1-3. So there's that.

byujacob

12/29/24 1:46am

Every team that didn’t win the conference could say the same thing.

NYCougz

12/29/24 1:55am

So if even if we won out (which was ver possible) you don’t think we would have

LOLzzz

12/29/24 2:24am

Of course we would have been. If we went undefeated, we would be in

NYCougz

12/29/24 2:26am

That sounds like the definition controlling one’s destiny to me then…

LOLzzz

12/29/24 9:12am

Yes just like every other team. Every team controls their own destiny.

NYCougz

12/29/24 11:39am

Not every team starts 9-0. That puts you firmly in the drivers seat. Not every

LOLzzz

12/29/24 1:21pm

Every game counts the same. Every team can win their way in.

NYCougz

12/29/24 1:49pm

A 6th win means a lot more than just having 5 wins. Losing 2 of your last three

LOLzzz

12/29/24 2:45pm

No it’s how you lose games early. You should take every game seriously.

NYCougz

12/29/24 2:50pm

And Kansas was red hot and only a 2 pt dog at Provo

NYCougz

12/29/24 2:52pm

Sorry, I must have forgot that they put an astride next to an L saying if it was

LOLzzz

12/29/24 3:05pm

Every game matters … this comment was just addressing your comment about Kansas

NYCougz

12/29/24 3:12pm

Correct, and I stand by the comment. A loss is a loss. No sugar coating…

LOLzzz

12/29/24 3:31pm

Exactly what I have been saying. A loss is a loss whether week 3 or week 9.

NYCougz

12/29/24 3:36pm

You were trying to say the Kansas loss wasn’t as bad because it was a close game

LOLzzz

12/29/24 3:55pm

Uhh no. You misunderstood or I misspoke.

NYCougz

12/29/24 7:15pm

Exactly what this discussion started as. BYU controlled their destiny and that

LOLzzz

12/29/24 10:04pm

No it’s not because every team can say the same thing.

NYCougz

12/29/24 10:58pm

Look back at the initial post on this discussion. He is talking about how BYU

LOLzzz

12/29/24 11:12pm

Every team in a power conference controls their own destiny.

NYCougz

12/29/24 11:43pm

When we are talking about the CFP (which the initial post was referring to)

LOLzzz

12/29/24 11:54pm

That makes no sense. First this is one year into the process and multiple teams

NYCougz

12/30/24 12:02am

I addressed that as the committee takes momentum into account.

LOLzzz

12/30/24 12:36am

So in your world the teams with the easier end of the year will be in better

NYCougz

12/30/24 12:50am

No, the teams playing better football will get a better position.

LOLzzz

12/30/24 1:08am

You are the one with the arbitrary thinking … not them.

NYCougz

12/30/24 1:15am

And we are comparing us to teams that did get in.

NYCougz

12/30/24 12:04am

A loss in the CCG (an extra game) does not hurt a team like a loss

LOLzzz

12/30/24 12:40am

Exactly! Teams on your plan would schedule fcs teams at the end of the year.

NYCougz

12/30/24 12:54am

No, winning games is everything. We had 3 winnable games and won 1. Simple.

LOLzzz

12/30/24 1:09am

As did all the other teams with 2 losses.

NYCougz

12/30/24 1:17am

That’s where I can’t feel bad for us…. We literally controlled our own destiny.

LOLzzz

12/30/24 1:28am

It’s not about feeling bad. Yes just win all your games and you are in.

NYCougz

12/30/24 1:36am

I just think your opinion lacks accountability…

LOLzzz

12/30/24 8:12am

Not at all. I think we should try to win every game.

NYCougz

12/30/24 11:26am

That’s what you’re saying. We aren’t in when we should have gotten an at large

LOLzzz

12/30/24 11:47am

Every at large team is in the same boat. The thread is evaluating the committes

NYCougz

12/30/24 11:52am

And one last time, I think your thinking is arbitrary not the committee.

NYCougz

12/30/24 11:29am

No, my justification is momentum matters late in the season. To drop 2 games

LOLzzz

12/30/24 11:50am

The thread is about did the committee make the right decision.

NYCougz

12/30/24 11:54am

Re-read the initial post buddy.

LOLzzz

12/30/24 12:07pm

Please tell me you are joking. We already know that. The discussion is are we

NYCougz

12/30/24 12:13pm

Only those that didn’t take advantage…

LOLzzz

12/30/24 12:21pm

Perhaps you don’t understand what an at large bid is.

NYCougz

12/30/24 12:38pm

I know what an at large bid is. I’m saying go get a guaranteed spot so

LOLzzz

12/30/24 1:05pm

So your position as I understand it:

NYCougz

12/30/24 3:16pm

Not just my position but the position of the committee you are crying about.

LOLzzz

12/30/24 9:37pm

So where is it said that if you lose 2 out 3 you are out? Did the committee say

NYCougz

12/30/24 10:38pm

You are the one interpreting that. Nobody is saying that.

LOLzzz

12/31/24 9:10pm

So if Alabama lost two games in a row at the end of the season and lost by 3 at

NYCougz

Jan 1, 1:05pm

This is a straw man 😂 Alambama didn’t get in either!

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 1:27pm

Oh my goodness. This is called a hypothetical. Im saying next year in this

NYCougz

Jan 1, 1:59pm

Again, this is definitively a straw man. Plenty of 2 and 3 loss teams missed

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 2:14pm

Is Alabama eliminated in this hypothetical?

NYCougz

Jan 1, 2:24pm

Who’s going to get the last word?

Your Royal Blueness

Jan 1, 2:27pm

If they drop one at home to an unranked team, absolutely.

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 2:29pm

So for the record. Alabama loses by 3 at home to a non ranked opponent.

NYCougz

Jan 1, 2:44pm

This discussion is is at the time the CFP was decided.

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 2:54pm

Sorry you gave your answer in the hypothetical when I just changed the names.

NYCougz

Jan 1, 3:04pm

Now your turn 😂

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 2:29pm

Answered above in my reply. Which is a new question as opposed to should we

NYCougz

Jan 1, 2:46pm

So you believe BYU was playing good ball down the stretch. Interesting…

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 2:55pm

So you think asu is really bad….huh?

NYCougz

Jan 1, 3:06pm

I’ve been consistent.

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 3:13pm

No you have not. I do not believe you when you say bama would be out.

NYCougz

Jan 1, 3:23pm

Aw yes, your random straw man argument that I gave a direct answer to?

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 3:36pm

The fact that you don’t know that a hypothetical is to test your assertion

NYCougz

Jan 1, 3:44pm

No, I believe that as I am consistent.

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 3:58pm

Alabama would not be eliminated.

NYCougz

Jan 1, 4:32pm

I said they would be. At least I’m consistent. You are all over the place.

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 5:08pm

You are consistent but just nobody else thinks that. Nobody else thinks

NYCougz

Jan 1, 5:23pm

Easy to say that for the straw man you set up.

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 5:55pm

This was a simple analysis that has gone over your head.

NYCougz

Jan 1, 6:13pm

Again, the whole Alabama argument is a complete straw man.

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 6:37pm

Right Alabama would be eliminated under this pattern.

NYCougz

Jan 1, 6:43pm

I never brought up Alabama, you did. Still is a straw man to hide behind your

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 8:56pm

It was a thought exercise. You think if Alabama next year did what we did

NYCougz

Jan 1, 9:23pm

You do know what a straw man argument is right? I’m concerned you don’t…

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 9:34pm

In most discussions, there are comparisons and hypotheticals to test someone’s

NYCougz

Jan 1, 9:44pm

Still don’t think you understand a straw man 😂

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 11:49pm

It’s a discussion board. There are going to be lots of conversations about

NYCougz

12/30/24 11:55am

And we were 9-0 because other teams lost control of their destiny earlier

NYCougz

12/29/24 1:52pm

Which 3 games did BYU lose?

mulletino

12/29/24 2:03am

Kansas, ASU, Big12 tiebreakers

robin

12/29/24 2:24am

LOLzzz

Ozymandias

12/29/24 3:08am

Is this a math question? How does a 2 loss team go 1-3?

Blue Heart

12/29/24 7:29am

I meant one out of the last three games.

LOLzzz

12/29/24 9:15am

Huh 1-3?

chitownboy

12/29/24 7:33am

How about the explanation that we played the two toughest teams in the schedule in our 10th and the 11th games

KYU

12/29/24 4:02pm

Just because we lost to Kansas doesn’t make it one of our toughest games

LOLzzz

12/29/24 6:00pm

Kansas was one of the best teams in the big 12 as the season progressed

KYU

12/30/24 1:01am

When you are the end of your season and you play like crap in three games in a

44C

12/29/24 9:27am

11-2. Let’s move on and hope the ACC isn’t given two spots next year.

SausageKing

12/29/24 1:32am

in some ways the ACC essentially had 3 with ND

palangi

12/29/24 1:34am

We need Arizona St to do well.

Jstak17

12/29/24 2:24am

i agree, but i’m not super upset with it either. if i had higher expectations

FieroCoug

12/29/24 1:32am

We potentially are top 12 but didn't win when we needed to. SMU didn't get

johnnybyu

12/29/24 1:33am

Don't say why we lost to KU or those with blinders will throw more tantrums.

88Coug

12/29/24 1:34am

several playoff teams had worse losses, and BYUs other loss was far better

FieroCoug

12/29/24 1:36am

Bias for the two top conferences is going to be there. Only way to change it is

Jstak17

12/29/24 2:33am

BYU was the only ranked team colorado played and all the stars were playing.

FieroCoug

12/29/24 2:34am

Common opponents shows something else imo. However far you want to take that.

Jstak17

12/29/24 2:53am

it was probably the best win of the season and it’s not like there were opt outs

FieroCoug

12/29/24 5:25pm

Sadly, the worst loss for any team in the CFP would have been the B12 team

scherbie

12/29/24 9:21am

NIU is certainly a worse loss than kansas. and arkansas is also a worse loss

FieroCoug

12/29/24 6:47pm

Nah they lost the play in game against Arizona State. They win that game and they get to play again. 1 of 3 down the

KYU

12/29/24 1:44am

timing of losses only matters to make bad non conference losses irrelevant for

FieroCoug

12/29/24 1:51am

Should be based on full body of work.

NYCougz

12/29/24 2:19am

It’s funny how so many have in their heads that we went 1-3 down the stretch.

Your Royal Blueness

12/29/24 1:57am

Maybe the committee thought we lost 3 games?!?

NYCougz

12/29/24 2:05am

Which should not matter at all. So should we schedule a fcs game late to

NYCougz

12/29/24 2:04am

The problem is the perception of the conference. More than just us. The team

Jstak17

12/29/24 2:36am

No question the big 10 and sec have huge perception advantages.

NYCougz

12/29/24 2:40am

Did you watch Indiana and Tennessee?

slatecoug

12/29/24 4:01am

Tennessee was destroyed by a big 10 team and Indiana was destroyed by

JoeExotic

12/29/24 4:59am

The CFP committee needs to be using metrics just like they do in BBal

slatecoug

12/29/24 4:04am

The computer metrics said good things about the Big 12.... But not about any particular Big 12 team

krindorr

12/29/24 4:46am

You missed the point of my post.

slatecoug

12/29/24 3:48pm

They lost back-to-back play in games to the CCG. That toasted their CFP chances.

idcougarfan

12/29/24 4:43am

Which shouldn’t have had to be play-in games in the first place.

Brandoblueblood

12/29/24 7:47am

Well, good thing we DIDN’T go 1-3. OP wins the argument

Brandoblueblood

12/29/24 7:43am

That’s recency bias at its best

Lefty24

12/29/24 7:57am

Shouldn’t you be out giving an AJ post a POTD or something?

AZPTCOUG

12/29/24 12:36pm

1-3 in most sports lingo is 1 W 3 L. 1/3 or 1 and 2 would make more sense to most.

mulletino

12/29/24 3:08pm

Did Colorado just become…our new rival?!

Brandoblueblood

12/29/24 8:07pm

When I wrote 1-3 it was one of three games. Not one win two losses

KYU

12/29/24 8:12pm

Yes, thus the confusion because that’s not how it’s written in college football.

mulletino

12/31/24 12:09am

Teams I would have liked to see have a crack at the playoffs this year:

Countcougula

12/29/24 1:48am

I like where it’s at. But they should make all teams play one or two out

Jstak17

12/29/24 2:56am

Good argument for two teams out of the Big Twelvd. Which probably adds Iowa St

Jstak17

12/29/24 2:23am

BYU was a great team. . .

Zoobieman

12/29/24 6:29am

They didn't deserve it. They had their chance and choked.

NorthBayCoug

12/29/24 6:31am

^^this is what I’m talking about…

Bigtimeballer

12/29/24 9:35am

They don't deserve it. That's why they aren't in the CFP

NorthBayCoug

12/29/24 12:52pm

We def should’ve been in over SMU. In hindsight prob over Indiana too

zerome4sooners

12/29/24 6:31am

Why in hindsight? Indiana had 0 top 50 wins. That one still baffles me

archie

12/29/24 6:57am

Yeah, you’re right. They played 1 ranked team and got slaughtered

zerome4sooners

12/29/24 7:44am

Right, and BYU played 3 and barely got beat by 1 on the road

Brandoblueblood

12/29/24 7:49am

throw in how espn skews the rankings of teams by over rating

bald man

12/29/24 6:37am

BYU looked nothing like a playoff team late in the season

MyTwoCents

12/29/24 7:19am

Every game tells its own story. I don’t think there was a huge drop off. Kansas

Jstak17

12/29/24 7:41am

So schedule patsies in November. Got it.

YOHONOMOTO

12/29/24 1:03pm

I hate the subjectivity too

MyTwoCents

12/29/24 10:36pm

If nothing else, BYU should have been more seriously considered.

Soupie

12/29/24 7:22am

I don’t care what conference you’re in…

BlueBeliever

12/29/24 7:48am

Very good team that was in every game but didn’t show dominance until last night

rcl17

12/29/24 7:57am

Ummmm…. KState was a close win???

NYC and Japan

12/29/24 8:36am

UCF was also dominant where late scores by UCF made it look far closer than it was. Like last night.

Soupie

12/29/24 9:09am

That's just the Kalani feel-good style for beating opponents.

Les IsMore

12/29/24 10:42am

Yep which is my point. BYU was more dominant than some games looked if just seeing scores. For pollsters

Soupie

12/29/24 11:00am

Sets the stage for next year’s team starting with a Top-25 preseason ranking.

firstandten

12/29/24 8:23am

RE: BYU ABSOLUTELY should have been in the playoffs

MrGeneric

12/29/24 8:27am

I’ve been saying this for a month. Mostly with thumbs down.

Idacoug

12/29/24 8:50am

Anyone on here saying differently should hangup their blue and white and go cheer for the Ute’s. Benedict Arnolds

NonmormonYfan89

12/29/24 8:55am

We just looked like a team that was sliding versus rising to close the year.

SnickSnack

12/29/24 11:23am

Nah…not seeing it.

SoggyBB

12/29/24 11:26am

It’s funny we just watched BYU dismantle CU like a playoff team and BYU “fans”

YOHONOMOTO

12/29/24 11:33am

Self-loathing BYU fans…every party needs one

zerome4sooners

12/29/24 4:06pm

Facts. All the fans arguing otherwise are probs Kamala voters

d10e15

12/29/24 11:43am

Takes some real insecurity to bring politics into it.

Jstak17

12/29/24 12:21pm

Geez, sorry to hurt your feelings buddy.

d10e15

12/29/24 12:49pm

It’s ok. I’m practicing some of my breathing exercises my shrink gave me.

Jstak17

12/29/24 12:56pm

The team that played yesterday would have represented themselves well

BYU Fan

12/29/24 2:55pm

It wouldn't have been punishing SMU, it would have been rewarding BYU for playin

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