And...Lavell was probably the 1st coach to develop a passing game, to the degree

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Apr 6, 2024
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we used it. Passing wasn't big in college football before Lavell.

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Lot's of Kalani bashing going on again. I believe there is strong indicator...

TheLoneCougar Adrielle?!

4/5/24 5:37am

We know who Kalani is at this point. He's not suddenly going to become

bald man

4/5/24 5:39am

He has a year or two left

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4/5/24 5:45am

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Charles Darwin

4/5/24 6:33am

I love that take but so does almost every other P4 head coach out there

theonick

4/5/24 8:53am

The sooner he is gone, the better.

DeepCCoug

4/5/24 3:36pm

Well if that is your expectation...sorry.

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 6:01am

BYU is never going to be a title contender

Charles Darwin

4/5/24 6:31am

You have to at least be a player in the race for the conference title.

maYbe

4/5/24 7:05am

So you have to be top 25 every year? BYU hasn’t been that in 30 years

Charles Darwin

4/5/24 7:17am

If they aren't then fan support will slowly wane.

maYbe

4/5/24 7:30am

It’s pretty good for not doing that for 30 years

Charles Darwin

4/5/24 7:49am

Don't have to be Top 25 every year, but we're at 2 Top 25 seasons in 15 years

krindorr

4/5/24 10:41pm

I hate to break it to you but BYU has never been a title contender.

davidmj10

4/5/24 9:47am

Ute Troll

BYU Grounds

4/5/24 10:54am

Here is the real reason why BYU was a title contender in 1984: 1979, 1980, 1981,

Gorum the Old

4/5/24 4:19pm

And this is never talked about. So much so I didn’t even know all of that and

ColonelMustard

4/5/24 6:46pm

That is a good point. And they had just come off huge QB’s that were

davidmj10

4/5/24 7:55pm

That was what was said pre 1984. The College landscape has changed remarkably since then. BYU needs to find a way to..

BYU Grounds

4/5/24 10:03am

The past 40 years would suggest you caught lightning in a bottle and were

CallSign

4/5/24 11:28am

Why are you even posting here? I thought that Cougarboard was for BYU fans, and

84 natlchamps

4/6/24 2:01pm

RE: BYU is never going to be a title contender

OldFogey

4/5/24 10:48am

This is a really good point.

BlueFever

4/5/24 8:02am

Lavell exploited a weakness, crappy pass defense, that doesn't exist today. He

qwerew

4/5/24 12:17pm

And...Lavell was probably the 1st coach to develop a passing game, to the degree

84 natlchamps

4/6/24 2:06pm

Once he he gets his players…

Longseason

4/5/24 8:26am

His record is similar to Sark's or Kiffin's at this same point.

Socrates Johnson

4/5/24 11:17am

So he’s like 90% of college coaches

Honor Code

4/5/24 11:19am

he doesn't have access to "National Championship" players so that's a stupid

qwerew

4/5/24 12:12pm

National Championship or bust is a terrible way to live

Ghost Pirate LeChuck

4/6/24 4:02pm

Connor stayed because of TJ Woods coaching the Oline.

HighHorse

4/5/24 5:50am

In your scenario, you think someone of Pay's talent level stays with TJ Wood and an inept HC?

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 6:03am

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Deleted

4/5/24 6:17am

No, everyone did not "poo poo the hire of TJ Woods as another lazy hire of a mediocre OL coach"

HighHorse

4/5/24 6:35am

I specifically remember multiple post about the Woods hire being lazy.

TheHop

4/5/24 8:20am

I personally remember posting that TJ was a great hire!

AzCugrFan

4/5/24 8:25am

We should note the people that said this. Sounds like lazy posting.

rcbyufan

4/5/24 8:28am

does "multiple posts" mean everybody?

HighHorse

4/5/24 8:49am

No, in that you have a point.

TheHop

4/5/24 10:03am

True but Connor also came back because

I'mBatman

4/5/24 6:00pm

Connor had the option of transferring. He recognized that he needed to get better

HighHorse

4/6/24 7:16am

He could have gone somewhere else and got better too, but chose not to.

TheLoneCougar

4/6/24 8:51am

who got rid of the last coach and brought in the new one?

FieroCoug

4/5/24 11:13am

Connor graded among the worst on the oline last year

DOdoubleG

4/5/24 6:18am

That is not only wrong but a full on lie.

Hammer15

4/6/24 11:29am

KS has the most difficult job in all of College football

Hammer15

4/6/24 11:52am

Kalani is a fantastic ambassador for BYU and the church. He loves the players

SpudNut

4/5/24 7:05am

Also a very marginal tactician and x/o guy.

kotacoug

4/5/24 7:06am

You may be right but I don’t have a technical football mind so can’t make

SpudNut

4/5/24 7:17am

Ooh. I want to know what No. 2 was.

Ham

4/5/24 8:05am

It wasn't until this year that we had the same number of recruiting staff

Zombre

4/5/24 8:26am

This is a legitimate criticism and if Kalani wants to emulate Lavell, he needs to let and encourage his coordinators to

BYU Grounds

4/5/24 10:23am

Thank you for a reasonable and well thought out response.

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:33am

4) no attention to the details. Turfgate is exhibit A. Not only did the team have the wrong cleats for the conditions

Blue2thebone

4/7/24 12:05am

Getting “BYU guys” to stay at BYU is a VERY low bar of “success” to coaching…

BamaCoug

4/5/24 7:21am

Well said

TNT

4/5/24 8:01am

I never said it was the bar, I said it was indicator that he is likely doing a better job than CBers care to believe.

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:15am

BYU has been the fall back position when LDS players don't pan out at other places.

BYU Grounds

4/5/24 12:32pm

It’s ok to admit that KS is both a great guy, rep of church, but not a good HC

Frankfromtheballpark

4/5/24 7:24am

I think that is my point. If he wasn't a good HC, you'd likely be seeing more player attrition, no?

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:15am

Nope. It’s not like we have a lot of guys with options elsewhere…

Frankfromtheballpark

4/5/24 5:09pm

That is not true at all. The majority of our starters would be able to transfer to another school and get meaningful

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:44pm

If you want BYU to consistently stay in the bottom half of the conference

BlueFever

4/5/24 7:52am

Last season there was a mass exodus

Blue2thebone

4/5/24 8:04am

Which impactful players are you referring to?

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:16am

Kalani is only as good as his assistants. We have a mediocre OC.

BostonCougar

4/5/24 8:11am

And he is only as good as his ability to find decent assistants

BigHouse Coug

4/5/24 10:57am

and the OC is at least as undisciplined and unorganized as Kalani

AZ Coug

4/6/24 10:49pm

Based on this analysis, what % of coaches are doing a good job?

scrambled egg

4/5/24 8:18am

This is a good question. Every team outside of the top 15 has 'bad coaches' –

Benfica1

4/5/24 8:41am

I said "indicator" with Kalani specifically. I am not comparing him to other coaches or programs.

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:17am

Kalani is a good, but not elite coach – at this point. His results have been

Benfica1

4/5/24 8:32am

It’s not just elite vs inept. Kalani can be in the middle and be an amazing guy

MrSandman

4/5/24 8:38am

I said an indicator and at no point said he was amazing. Also, the OP is targeting to those who feel he is terrible.

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:19am

Being a good likeable person is not the same as being a good coach.

AltTabbins

4/5/24 9:33am

100% the point I am making. If you were a D1 talented player, would you stay because your coach was just likable?

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:20am

We sure could have used our All American guard last year. How about an All

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 9:58am

Seriously...

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:25am

You are too funny. Basically you say he keeps all of his guys and when someone

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 11:52am

He didn't say Kalani keeps all of his guys. Go back and read it again.

Rise Against

4/5/24 11:56am

He also said a whole bunch of other stuff like:

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 12:43pm

Come on KimBigDaddy....

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 1:25pm

Holker transferring had wayyyyyy more to do with Steve Clark than anyone else.

Rise Against

4/5/24 1:32pm

Again, he wasn't wrong. You went to the hyperbolic extreme claiming he said

Rise Against

4/5/24 1:31pm

Oh now we had 15 starters come in last year.

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 2:05pm

Please share your full list.

Belboz

4/5/24 2:10pm

My full list of what?

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 2:14pm

Guys who transferred TO BYU last year

Belboz

4/5/24 2:18pm

You want me to go down a list of BYU guys who came in and mostly underperformed?

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 2:26pm

So you didn't even do a real comparison before calculating a net?

Belboz

4/5/24 2:42pm

Logan is never going to play again?

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 2:58pm

Sure, he may play again.

Belboz

4/5/24 3:03pm

I was not impressed with the vast majority of the transfers in to BYU

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 3:21pm

and you still won't give your full list.

Belboz

4/5/24 3:25pm

Funny as that isn't what I said at all.

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 3:44pm

I think the transfer portal was a small net positive for BYU...

krindorr

4/6/24 1:52am

Logan Fano, a star in the making....

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 2:55pm

A freshman that has only started 5 games in his career?

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 3:43pm

Played in only 5 games total with his third ACL injury...yeah, star in the making material right there.

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 4:55pm

Yes and this year he will be sophomore. Not sure what you are even trying to

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 5:11pm

How do you not get it: You are calling a kid a star in the making the has played a grand total of 5 games?

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 9:57pm

Not hard. I have to answer why I think Bagnah wasn't that good.

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 10:43pm

Bagnah? Why are you making a comparison like that. Just because he had more sacks than Bagnah doesn't make your point.

TheLoneCougar

4/6/24 12:05am

I would love to see those statistics that you just made up.

kimdaddy35

4/6/24 1:10am

I never made up a single statistic. Do you see a number or percentage anywhere in my post?

TheLoneCougar

4/6/24 9:01am

It's not worth engaging him anymore. He's proven that he's not interested

Rise Against

4/6/24 10:04am

Lol, you didn't say statistically speaking Fanonis likely to never play a season

kimdaddy35

4/6/24 1:19pm

I said it was common sense, and then I put forth the evidence from a systematic review/meta analysis.

TheLoneCougar

4/6/24 4:27pm

If you don't think transfers were a net positive for BYU last year,

Belboz

4/5/24 2:09pm

Once again, I'm reminded of why I avoid conversing with kimdaddy. Facts and

Rise Against

4/5/24 2:12pm

I love Kalani as a coach and hope he stays.

Shawarma

4/5/24 10:03am

Where’s he going to go?

Brisco

4/5/24 12:37pm

KS is a great coach if….

rmarkerm

4/5/24 10:13am

You think he should be fired if he doesn't win 8 games this season? Wow.

Rise Against

4/5/24 10:21am

Stronger indicators he isn't: see 4th and 20 fake punts. Out of his depth.

Mitty

4/5/24 10:50am

This has absolutely nothing to do with my post at all. Strawman.

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:26am

The best thing Kalani has done for the program was to hire his successor.

WillsPitStop

4/5/24 11:03am

Amen. He, is the future.

DawgHaus

4/5/24 11:17am

I would be a lot less patient with KS If there was a clear cut alternative.

BigHouse Coug

4/5/24 11:05am

Jay Hill doesn't impress you? I think he is the real deal.

84 natlchamps

4/5/24 3:51pm

I wasn't a a proponent of replacing Kalani until I experienced Jay Hill's

TaysomJimmerEraCoug

4/5/24 2:42pm

I hope Jay hill proves to be that good. Kalani may have just hired his Bronco

BigHouse Coug

4/5/24 3:44pm

I'm of the opinion that Hill ends up the BYU HC....but via a roundabout method, not simply replacing his boss

krindorr

4/6/24 12:10am

Doubt Utah outbids for Hill, they don't have superior funds anymore

Dr T-bone

4/6/24 9:58am

I don't think they will HAVE more money, but will have more willingness to spend

krindorr

4/6/24 2:12pm

If my dream job is HC at the U, why move under a potential long-timer

Dr T-bone

4/7/24 9:12am

There's some validity to that thought process; let me think through it

krindorr

4/7/24 10:29am

Hill will improve the D and help Kilani stay. Hill will

ALUF 1990

4/6/24 8:57am

I think that's Hill's dream job...but the problem is Scalley

krindorr

4/6/24 2:14pm

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Benfica1

4/6/24 4:59pm

I think the best indicator is if he's getting the most out of his players and

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