Lavell exploited a weakness, crappy pass defense, that doesn't exist today. He

Apr 5, 2024
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also built a gaudy record against crappy competition. Lavell was great and ahead of his time with the pass game but even he struggled through the final few years of coaching to produce great teams relative to the competition he faced.

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Lot's of Kalani bashing going on again. I believe there is strong indicator...

TheLoneCougar Adrielle?!

4/5/24 5:37am

We know who Kalani is at this point. He's not suddenly going to become

bald man

4/5/24 5:39am

He has a year or two left

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4/5/24 5:45am

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Charles Darwin

4/5/24 6:33am

I love that take but so does almost every other P4 head coach out there

theonick

4/5/24 8:53am

The sooner he is gone, the better.

DeepCCoug

4/5/24 3:36pm

Well if that is your expectation...sorry.

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 6:01am

BYU is never going to be a title contender

Charles Darwin

4/5/24 6:31am

You have to at least be a player in the race for the conference title.

maYbe

4/5/24 7:05am

So you have to be top 25 every year? BYU hasn’t been that in 30 years

Charles Darwin

4/5/24 7:17am

If they aren't then fan support will slowly wane.

maYbe

4/5/24 7:30am

It’s pretty good for not doing that for 30 years

Charles Darwin

4/5/24 7:49am

Don't have to be Top 25 every year, but we're at 2 Top 25 seasons in 15 years

krindorr

4/5/24 10:41pm

I hate to break it to you but BYU has never been a title contender.

davidmj10

4/5/24 9:47am

Ute Troll

BYU Grounds

4/5/24 10:54am

Here is the real reason why BYU was a title contender in 1984: 1979, 1980, 1981,

Gorum the Old

4/5/24 4:19pm

And this is never talked about. So much so I didn’t even know all of that and

ColonelMustard

4/5/24 6:46pm

That is a good point. And they had just come off huge QB’s that were

davidmj10

4/5/24 7:55pm

That was what was said pre 1984. The College landscape has changed remarkably since then. BYU needs to find a way to..

BYU Grounds

4/5/24 10:03am

The past 40 years would suggest you caught lightning in a bottle and were

CallSign

4/5/24 11:28am

Why are you even posting here? I thought that Cougarboard was for BYU fans, and

84 natlchamps

4/6/24 2:01pm

RE: BYU is never going to be a title contender

OldFogey

4/5/24 10:48am

This is a really good point.

BlueFever

4/5/24 8:02am

Lavell exploited a weakness, crappy pass defense, that doesn't exist today. He

qwerew

4/5/24 12:17pm

And...Lavell was probably the 1st coach to develop a passing game, to the degree

84 natlchamps

4/6/24 2:06pm

Once he he gets his players…

Longseason

4/5/24 8:26am

His record is similar to Sark's or Kiffin's at this same point.

Socrates Johnson

4/5/24 11:17am

So he’s like 90% of college coaches

Honor Code

4/5/24 11:19am

he doesn't have access to "National Championship" players so that's a stupid

qwerew

4/5/24 12:12pm

National Championship or bust is a terrible way to live

Ghost Pirate LeChuck

4/6/24 4:02pm

Connor stayed because of TJ Woods coaching the Oline.

HighHorse

4/5/24 5:50am

In your scenario, you think someone of Pay's talent level stays with TJ Wood and an inept HC?

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 6:03am

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Deleted

4/5/24 6:17am

No, everyone did not "poo poo the hire of TJ Woods as another lazy hire of a mediocre OL coach"

HighHorse

4/5/24 6:35am

I specifically remember multiple post about the Woods hire being lazy.

TheHop

4/5/24 8:20am

I personally remember posting that TJ was a great hire!

AzCugrFan

4/5/24 8:25am

We should note the people that said this. Sounds like lazy posting.

rcbyufan

4/5/24 8:28am

does "multiple posts" mean everybody?

HighHorse

4/5/24 8:49am

No, in that you have a point.

TheHop

4/5/24 10:03am

True but Connor also came back because

I'mBatman

4/5/24 6:00pm

Connor had the option of transferring. He recognized that he needed to get better

HighHorse

4/6/24 7:16am

He could have gone somewhere else and got better too, but chose not to.

TheLoneCougar

4/6/24 8:51am

who got rid of the last coach and brought in the new one?

FieroCoug

4/5/24 11:13am

Connor graded among the worst on the oline last year

DOdoubleG

4/5/24 6:18am

That is not only wrong but a full on lie.

Hammer15

4/6/24 11:29am

KS has the most difficult job in all of College football

Hammer15

4/6/24 11:52am

Kalani is a fantastic ambassador for BYU and the church. He loves the players

SpudNut

4/5/24 7:05am

Also a very marginal tactician and x/o guy.

kotacoug

4/5/24 7:06am

You may be right but I don’t have a technical football mind so can’t make

SpudNut

4/5/24 7:17am

Ooh. I want to know what No. 2 was.

Ham

4/5/24 8:05am

It wasn't until this year that we had the same number of recruiting staff

Zombre

4/5/24 8:26am

This is a legitimate criticism and if Kalani wants to emulate Lavell, he needs to let and encourage his coordinators to

BYU Grounds

4/5/24 10:23am

Thank you for a reasonable and well thought out response.

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:33am

4) no attention to the details. Turfgate is exhibit A. Not only did the team have the wrong cleats for the conditions

Blue2thebone

4/7/24 12:05am

Getting “BYU guys” to stay at BYU is a VERY low bar of “success” to coaching…

BamaCoug

4/5/24 7:21am

Well said

TNT

4/5/24 8:01am

I never said it was the bar, I said it was indicator that he is likely doing a better job than CBers care to believe.

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:15am

BYU has been the fall back position when LDS players don't pan out at other places.

BYU Grounds

4/5/24 12:32pm

It’s ok to admit that KS is both a great guy, rep of church, but not a good HC

Frankfromtheballpark

4/5/24 7:24am

I think that is my point. If he wasn't a good HC, you'd likely be seeing more player attrition, no?

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:15am

Nope. It’s not like we have a lot of guys with options elsewhere…

Frankfromtheballpark

4/5/24 5:09pm

That is not true at all. The majority of our starters would be able to transfer to another school and get meaningful

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:44pm

If you want BYU to consistently stay in the bottom half of the conference

BlueFever

4/5/24 7:52am

Last season there was a mass exodus

Blue2thebone

4/5/24 8:04am

Which impactful players are you referring to?

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:16am

Kalani is only as good as his assistants. We have a mediocre OC.

BostonCougar

4/5/24 8:11am

And he is only as good as his ability to find decent assistants

BigHouse Coug

4/5/24 10:57am

and the OC is at least as undisciplined and unorganized as Kalani

AZ Coug

4/6/24 10:49pm

Based on this analysis, what % of coaches are doing a good job?

scrambled egg

4/5/24 8:18am

This is a good question. Every team outside of the top 15 has 'bad coaches' –

Benfica1

4/5/24 8:41am

I said "indicator" with Kalani specifically. I am not comparing him to other coaches or programs.

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:17am

Kalani is a good, but not elite coach – at this point. His results have been

Benfica1

4/5/24 8:32am

It’s not just elite vs inept. Kalani can be in the middle and be an amazing guy

MrSandman

4/5/24 8:38am

I said an indicator and at no point said he was amazing. Also, the OP is targeting to those who feel he is terrible.

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:19am

Being a good likeable person is not the same as being a good coach.

AltTabbins

4/5/24 9:33am

100% the point I am making. If you were a D1 talented player, would you stay because your coach was just likable?

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:20am

We sure could have used our All American guard last year. How about an All

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 9:58am

Seriously...

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:25am

You are too funny. Basically you say he keeps all of his guys and when someone

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 11:52am

He didn't say Kalani keeps all of his guys. Go back and read it again.

Rise Against

4/5/24 11:56am

He also said a whole bunch of other stuff like:

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 12:43pm

Come on KimBigDaddy....

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 1:25pm

Holker transferring had wayyyyyy more to do with Steve Clark than anyone else.

Rise Against

4/5/24 1:32pm

Again, he wasn't wrong. You went to the hyperbolic extreme claiming he said

Rise Against

4/5/24 1:31pm

Oh now we had 15 starters come in last year.

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 2:05pm

Please share your full list.

Belboz

4/5/24 2:10pm

My full list of what?

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 2:14pm

Guys who transferred TO BYU last year

Belboz

4/5/24 2:18pm

You want me to go down a list of BYU guys who came in and mostly underperformed?

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 2:26pm

So you didn't even do a real comparison before calculating a net?

Belboz

4/5/24 2:42pm

Logan is never going to play again?

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 2:58pm

Sure, he may play again.

Belboz

4/5/24 3:03pm

I was not impressed with the vast majority of the transfers in to BYU

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 3:21pm

and you still won't give your full list.

Belboz

4/5/24 3:25pm

Funny as that isn't what I said at all.

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 3:44pm

I think the transfer portal was a small net positive for BYU...

krindorr

4/6/24 1:52am

Logan Fano, a star in the making....

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 2:55pm

A freshman that has only started 5 games in his career?

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 3:43pm

Played in only 5 games total with his third ACL injury...yeah, star in the making material right there.

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 4:55pm

Yes and this year he will be sophomore. Not sure what you are even trying to

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 5:11pm

How do you not get it: You are calling a kid a star in the making the has played a grand total of 5 games?

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 9:57pm

Not hard. I have to answer why I think Bagnah wasn't that good.

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 10:43pm

Bagnah? Why are you making a comparison like that. Just because he had more sacks than Bagnah doesn't make your point.

TheLoneCougar

4/6/24 12:05am

I would love to see those statistics that you just made up.

kimdaddy35

4/6/24 1:10am

I never made up a single statistic. Do you see a number or percentage anywhere in my post?

TheLoneCougar

4/6/24 9:01am

It's not worth engaging him anymore. He's proven that he's not interested

Rise Against

4/6/24 10:04am

Lol, you didn't say statistically speaking Fanonis likely to never play a season

kimdaddy35

4/6/24 1:19pm

I said it was common sense, and then I put forth the evidence from a systematic review/meta analysis.

TheLoneCougar

4/6/24 4:27pm

If you don't think transfers were a net positive for BYU last year,

Belboz

4/5/24 2:09pm

Once again, I'm reminded of why I avoid conversing with kimdaddy. Facts and

Rise Against

4/5/24 2:12pm

I love Kalani as a coach and hope he stays.

Shawarma

4/5/24 10:03am

Where’s he going to go?

Brisco

4/5/24 12:37pm

KS is a great coach if….

rmarkerm

4/5/24 10:13am

You think he should be fired if he doesn't win 8 games this season? Wow.

Rise Against

4/5/24 10:21am

Stronger indicators he isn't: see 4th and 20 fake punts. Out of his depth.

Mitty

4/5/24 10:50am

This has absolutely nothing to do with my post at all. Strawman.

TheLoneCougar

4/5/24 11:26am

The best thing Kalani has done for the program was to hire his successor.

WillsPitStop

4/5/24 11:03am

Amen. He, is the future.

DawgHaus

4/5/24 11:17am

I would be a lot less patient with KS If there was a clear cut alternative.

BigHouse Coug

4/5/24 11:05am

Jay Hill doesn't impress you? I think he is the real deal.

84 natlchamps

4/5/24 3:51pm

I wasn't a a proponent of replacing Kalani until I experienced Jay Hill's

TaysomJimmerEraCoug

4/5/24 2:42pm

I hope Jay hill proves to be that good. Kalani may have just hired his Bronco

BigHouse Coug

4/5/24 3:44pm

I'm of the opinion that Hill ends up the BYU HC....but via a roundabout method, not simply replacing his boss

krindorr

4/6/24 12:10am

Doubt Utah outbids for Hill, they don't have superior funds anymore

Dr T-bone

4/6/24 9:58am

I don't think they will HAVE more money, but will have more willingness to spend

krindorr

4/6/24 2:12pm

If my dream job is HC at the U, why move under a potential long-timer

Dr T-bone

4/7/24 9:12am

There's some validity to that thought process; let me think through it

krindorr

4/7/24 10:29am

Hill will improve the D and help Kilani stay. Hill will

ALUF 1990

4/6/24 8:57am

I think that's Hill's dream job...but the problem is Scalley

krindorr

4/6/24 2:14pm

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Benfica1

4/6/24 4:59pm

I think the best indicator is if he's getting the most out of his players and

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