Jan 2, 2025
6:03:08pm
6:03:08pm
“Leading with” the head for forcible contact. I think he was trying to wrap up
and keep his head up. While the facemask happened to hit him in the head, I don’t feel like he was playing with his head to create the contact and leading with it like we see some players using the helmet, arm or shoulder to try to create the big hit. It was more incidental.
The head has to be somewhere, you have to be allowed to still play. If you feel like what he did was enough to say he was leading, great, agree to disagree. Officials watching it didn’t feel it was either.
I understand your opinion, you just asked for mine. Don’t really care to debate it anymore. We can agree to disagree.
I really do feel that you simply can ask for players to not do certain things, and injuries will still happen, but hopefully they are decreased. I don’t think you can punish a player if you judge that he didn’t do the acts that you ask him to not do, even if an injury does happen.
The head has to be somewhere, you have to be allowed to still play. If you feel like what he did was enough to say he was leading, great, agree to disagree. Officials watching it didn’t feel it was either.
I understand your opinion, you just asked for mine. Don’t really care to debate it anymore. We can agree to disagree.
I really do feel that you simply can ask for players to not do certain things, and injuries will still happen, but hopefully they are decreased. I don’t think you can punish a player if you judge that he didn’t do the acts that you ask him to not do, even if an injury does happen.
Originally posted on Jan 2, 2025 at 6:03:08pm
Message modified by cougaman on Jan 2, 2025 at 6:04:53pm
Message modified by cougaman on Jan 2, 2025 at 6:14:02pm
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Jan 2, 12:30am
In my opinion, the rule is there to protect a player from getting injured. I think the fact that the guy’s laying there
Jan 2, 12:42am
Every time a “defenseless” player gets injured by being hit in the head, yes. Thats the entire purpose of the rule.
Jan 2, 9:06am
Nope, still a penalty even if there’s no injury. Penalty is based on a specific action that is likely to result in
Jan 2, 10:02am
Jan 2, 10:07am
Yup. Thats why I used the language of the rule in my post. Some folks are trying to parse what’s “forcible” contact and
Jan 2, 10:21am
No, a defenseless player being injured by the contact to his head shows that it was plenty “forcible” to fulfill the
Jan 2, 10:40am
Jan 2, 10:44am
Prevention of those exact injuries are 100% the purpose of the rule. Injuries *are* the purpose and justification for
Jan 2, 11:04am
Jan 2, 11:43am
Nope. The purpose isn’t to avoid “worry” by preventing “worrisome” acts. The purpose is 100% to decrease injury and to
Jan 2, 1:14pm
Jan 2, 1:37pm
No I’m not. That’s your strawman of what I’m proposing. You throw the flag if there is “forcible contact” to the head
Jan 2, 1:54pm
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Indicator is “forcible contact” to head or neck area of a defenseless receiver. Which part of that do you think is in
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Indicators like his head snapping back after helmet to helmet contactsand him laying on the ground with a concussion
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I think if they had an angle clearly showing forcible contact to the head they would have made the call
Jan 2, 7:18am
I don't think that's clear - you can't see through his shoulder to see where his face mask hits first
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