Jan 2, 2025
10:21:49am
10:21:49am
Yup. Thats why I used the language of the rule in my post. Some folks are trying to parse what’s “forcible” contact and
say that this contact wasn’t enough to be considered “forcible”.
If contact is sufficient to cause injury, that should make it obvious to them that it was forcible, and fits both the letter and intent of the rule.
Maybe there’s no way to know whether a player is actually injured, and for that reason it isn’t and shouldn’t be written into the rule.
But as a matter of reality, any time a *defenseless* player is actually injured by another player hitting him in head, then a flag for targeting should have been thrown. Yes. Like I said, that’s precisely the purpose of the rule.
The (hypothetical) fact that it caused injury confirms that it’s forcible, which I think was KYU’s point.
If contact is sufficient to cause injury, that should make it obvious to them that it was forcible, and fits both the letter and intent of the rule.
Maybe there’s no way to know whether a player is actually injured, and for that reason it isn’t and shouldn’t be written into the rule.
But as a matter of reality, any time a *defenseless* player is actually injured by another player hitting him in head, then a flag for targeting should have been thrown. Yes. Like I said, that’s precisely the purpose of the rule.
The (hypothetical) fact that it caused injury confirms that it’s forcible, which I think was KYU’s point.
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Jan 2, 12:30am
In my opinion, the rule is there to protect a player from getting injured. I think the fact that the guy’s laying there
Jan 2, 12:42am
Every time a “defenseless” player gets injured by being hit in the head, yes. Thats the entire purpose of the rule.
Jan 2, 9:06am
Nope, still a penalty even if there’s no injury. Penalty is based on a specific action that is likely to result in
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Jan 2, 10:07am
Yup. Thats why I used the language of the rule in my post. Some folks are trying to parse what’s “forcible” contact and
Jan 2, 10:21am
No, a defenseless player being injured by the contact to his head shows that it was plenty “forcible” to fulfill the
Jan 2, 10:40am
Jan 2, 10:44am
Prevention of those exact injuries are 100% the purpose of the rule. Injuries *are* the purpose and justification for
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Jan 2, 11:43am
Nope. The purpose isn’t to avoid “worry” by preventing “worrisome” acts. The purpose is 100% to decrease injury and to
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Jan 2, 1:37pm
No I’m not. That’s your strawman of what I’m proposing. You throw the flag if there is “forcible contact” to the head
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Indicator is “forcible contact” to head or neck area of a defenseless receiver. Which part of that do you think is in
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Indicators like his head snapping back after helmet to helmet contactsand him laying on the ground with a concussion
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I think if they had an angle clearly showing forcible contact to the head they would have made the call
Jan 2, 7:18am
I don't think that's clear - you can't see through his shoulder to see where his face mask hits first
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