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Dec 19, 2024
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HFF
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I don’t want blood, I want him to be punished for the crime he committed.
You are soft on crime and I want laws to be enforced as they are written.
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Time
Aggravated assault.
mulletino
Truly Addicted User
Dec 19, 5:39pm
Seriously, though.
DirtyWater
Dec 19, 5:41pm
Relative of Kem Gardner?
Socrates Johnson
Dec 19, 5:44pm
Grandson. The bottle was thrown from Kem's box.
HarlemCoug
Dec 19, 5:45pm
Is the kid Christian Gardner's son?
cosmohio
Dec 19, 6:06pm
No. The article says that the kid's father Andrew turned him in.
Thrill
Dec 19, 6:47pm
OK, thx.
cosmohio
Dec 19, 7:18pm
Wonder what his institute's policy is on bottle chucking?
foofcoug
Dec 19, 5:46pm
Grandson. I know the family and they’re good people.
cougarblue
Dec 19, 5:51pm
Just made a mistake?
Plantagenet
Dec 19, 5:58pm
Adult (not kid) should be locked up for a long time.
HFF
Dec 19, 5:59pm
It won't do one bit of good to anyone if this kid spends even a day in jail.
HarlemCoug
Dec 19, 6:03pm
Yes it will. Kid needs to learn the consequences of outrageous behavior.
Threw and Through
Dec 19, 7:16pm
Pretty sure he's learned a lot by now. Best thing now would be some mercy and a
TailgateU
Dec 20, 12:58am
He might have learned a lot but he broke the law and there are consequences for
Blue for Life
Dec 20, 11:13am
Throwing him in prison for a felony doesn't help her. I'm not saying there
TailgateU
Dec 20, 12:26pm
Exactly. Nobody is arguing there be no consequences.
Metallicat
Dec 20, 12:32pm
Even a day???
C-dubb
Dec 19, 7:20pm
How does it help? What lesson would the kid learn that he hasn't already learned? What deterrent of future crime will
HarlemCoug
Dec 19, 8:00pm
Has the kid been bailed out before?
sfeuz
Dec 19, 8:01pm
No. First time offender who turned himself in.
HarlemCoug
Dec 19, 8:03pm
I thought his dad turned him in.
AltTabbins
Dec 19, 8:11pm
I don't understand your point. Are you implying the dad called without his son's permission? That didn't happen. The dad
HarlemCoug
Dec 19, 8:16pm
My point was the narrative being thrown around was the dad turned him in. It wasn't a loaded question. Thanks for
AltTabbins
Dec 19, 8:18pm
The point might be that the kid wouldn't have turned himself in if dad didn't.
ochobeeguy
Dec 19, 10:03pm
But even if Dad helped, it happened. Lots of kids improve with parental support
TailgateU
Dec 20, 1:00am
Why do we keep talking about an 18 yo man as if he is some 15 yo kid? Not only
Emmett Fitz-Hume
Dec 20, 4:53am
I dunno. seems like more 18 y/o act like 15 y/o;s these days...
niqmadu
Dec 20, 6:30am
People aren't magically and arbitrarily a "man" at age 18 just because the govt
Saxa
Dec 20, 7:05am
How many 18 year olds act like adults? It's an arbitrary number so allow voting
TailgateU
Dec 20, 9:47am
At 18 I, and many, know it's incredible stupid to throw a water bottle into
CameronG
Dec 20, 11:11am
Reminds me of a frozen turkey. I'd rather see mercy than throw the book at
TailgateU
Dec 20, 11:28am
Letting the kid off with no consequences is worse
CameronG
Dec 20, 11:37am
He's being charged with a felony. That ruins his life. I just think it should be
TailgateU
Dec 20, 12:24pm
Most 18 year olds, heck most 8 year olds, know you can't fire a water bottle
CameronG
Dec 20, 12:33pm
A misdemeanor and community service for a man from a family with those kinds of
Emmett Fitz-Hume
Dec 20, 12:38pm
Most 15yr olds know that, too. But teenagers, including 18yr olds, are prone to
morningcalmcougar
Dec 20, 1:56pm
Would you feel differently if he had whacked her upside the head with the water
CameronG
Dec 20, 1:59pm
Fair question, and I would feel differently as that is a direct attack
morningcalmcougar
Dec 20, 3:20pm
So your suggestion is no actual consequence?
BYU-Laie
Dec 20, 12:23am
We don't know that he has learned any lesson from this.
Turn and Cough
Dec 20, 10:10am
Exactly and you make a great point
SEUTAHCoug
Dec 20, 6:45pm
Ok, I agree that
BYU-Laie
Dec 22, 6:28pm
My question is, at 18 did he not know what those dangers were before?
Blue for Life
Dec 20, 11:11am
Clown take, bro. We really need a WPOTD emoji.
Yllage Vidiot
Dec 20, 7:48pm
What would you suggest as punishment, if any?
AltTabbins
Dec 19, 8:23pm
There will be a two pronged approach in going after him. Criminal and civil. On the criminal side a fine, community
HarlemCoug
Dec 19, 8:44pm
Kids from wealthy families usually don't worry much about the civil consequences
shakarocks
Dec 19, 8:57pm
This is a valid point. If it’s not his money, he really doesn’t face any
Lalau
Dec 19, 9:35pm
He'll bounce from petty offense to petty offense through life
Archaea
Dec 20, 12:09pm
Are you kidding? How often have we seen examples of rich kids who never learn
CameronG
Dec 20, 11:15am
IMO he won't be affected at all by the Civil Consequences. I would suspect
Blue for Life
Dec 20, 11:21am
My father would have ripped the arm off of any child
Archaea
Dec 20, 12:10pm
He should also be barred from admission to Utah University.
Archaea
Dec 20, 12:08pm
Anyone who has studied human behavior knows that absolutes like this are invalid
SEUTAHCoug
Dec 20, 7:08pm
Oh yes it will. A day in jail will do him some good.
BlueTroop
Dec 19, 9:02pm
Locked up? Come on now.
ChiCityCoug
Dec 19, 6:03pm
He likely altered the life of somebody just doing the thing she loved.
HFF
Dec 19, 6:09pm
I don’t see those two things as the same. But jail time doesn’t help.
ChiCityCoug
Dec 19, 6:31pm
Even if they are 18 and it is a one time event.
HFF
Dec 19, 6:35pm
It helps a lot. Soft-pedaling violent crime is what doesn't help.
Threw and Through
Dec 19, 7:17pm
I agree jail helps stop crime. But I don’t think jail time in this instance is
ChiCityCoug
Dec 19, 7:22pm
It seems the IRS every tax season throws the book at a high profile person.
dratax
Dec 19, 9:08pm
Most studies show that jail sentences do very little to deter crime. I'm not an
morningcalmcougar
Dec 20, 2:05pm
And to be clear, crime needs to be punished. I live/work in Chicago and see 1st
morningcalmcougar
Dec 20, 2:13pm
President Hinckley's story on forgiveness seems oddly specific to this situation
ImRonBurgundy?
Dec 19, 6:42pm
But the kid in Hinckley's story still did time. Whether or not he happens to
Threw and Through
Dec 19, 7:20pm
The kid in the story did a few more things than chuck a water bottle so it's
ImRonBurgundy?
Dec 19, 10:15pm
Jail time is fair.
SolidBlue
Dec 19, 10:52pm
Maybe. A lot of community service and a civil suit to cover medical bills
ImRonBurgundy?
Dec 19, 11:03pm
Comparing to dropping things on cars is ridiculous
Deleted
Dec 19, 10:06pm
How so? In both situation it is obvious what they are doing is going to hurt
HFF
Dec 19, 10:11pm
Not locked up for a violent crime? Come on now.
Threw and Through
Dec 19, 7:50pm
A plastic water bottle.
ChiCityCoug
Dec 19, 7:56pm
Give me a shot at someone with a water bottle and I can mess up their whole month.
AltTabbins
Dec 19, 8:12pm
Ok tough guy.
ChiCityCoug
Dec 19, 9:06pm
Lol what a clown comment
ColonelMustard
Dec 19, 8:52pm
Yeah, and is the death penalty too unreasonable? Yeesh. Let's not get carried away here. Aggravated assault seems
Bob Vance
Dec 19, 9:56pm
So many of you have no concept of how the criminal justice system works. OTOH,
Socrates Johnson
Dec 19, 11:51pm
Not if this was your kid
Jeremy
Dec 20, 8:25am
Good things parents don't choose the consequences of their children's felonies
HFF
Dec 20, 8:39am
I agree. Cause this guy would be a huge hypocrite.
Jeremy
Dec 20, 1:08pm
Stop it.
Love Cougs
Dec 20, 9:41am
No
HFF
Dec 20, 11:06am
Yeah, you would't want
Snipe
Dec 19, 6:09pm
This is only a symptom of something already messed up- best thing
bjc
Dec 19, 6:25pm
This board sure loves to sweep ute missteps under the rug
Ojiisan
Dec 19, 7:00pm
Amen. He saw others throwing it and in the moment you don’t think a water bottle
ColonelMustard
Dec 19, 8:55pm
This is a Utah mob mentality problem. President, AD, Whit, Fans.
ParentingNotForSissy
Dec 19, 10:24pm
If they were "good people" they wouldn't be UofU fans, especially not invested
BYUtka
Dec 19, 9:18pm
Wrong. Mom went to BYU, dad served a mission, they are active church members.
robocoug
Dec 21, 8:36am
Less significant things have kept young men off missions. Or delayed them. Just saying, a mission is not a reward. Have
Yllage Vidiot
Dec 21, 5:13pm
He’s a kid from a good family whose life shouldn’t be defined by a dumb, split-
robocoug
Dec 22, 12:22am
Pretending it didn’t happen and just sending him on a mission doesn’t do anyone any favors. And “rich privilege” will
Yllage Vidiot
Dec 22, 8:33am
Once you're 18, that's the problem with playing a stupid game. The prize is
Emmett Fitz-Hume
Dec 19, 10:53pm
All because of the draft and the Vietnam War
dratax
Dec 22, 12:50pm
We've never heard this story before
AlternateShot
Dec 19, 11:07pm
What about the cheer coach? Who was
1CougFan
Dec 20, 6:23am
BYU banned a kid for life who rushed the field and "tackled" U male cheerleader
The Grrinch
Dec 20, 8:28am
He's a Utah fan. His life is already screwed up.
Turn and Cough
Dec 20, 9:34am
I just laugh at this kind of stuff. "Oh I know them and despite being unhinged
Mitty
Dec 20, 10:35am
And what does "good person" or "good family" even mean in this context?
BYUtka
Dec 20, 10:44am
It's hard for crimes like this to screw up the lives of kids with rich families.
dYrtbYkerYder
Dec 20, 12:40pm
That's ridiculous. You think a rich kid with a felony on his record isn't going to run into problems raising capital,
HarlemCoug
Dec 20, 1:02pm
Pretty sure U of U will take him and even let him play football with that
Blue for Life
Dec 20, 1:07pm
There is a zero percent chance this kid has a felony on his record in five years
bluescholar
Dec 20, 1:39pm
It'll be much easier for him regardless. Having a well paying job at the family
dYrtbYkerYder
Dec 20, 3:05pm
People do stuff all the time that screws up their life. Kids gonna have to live
bleedsblue
Dec 21, 11:39pm
Also know the family quite well. VERY good folks! Dumb mistake from a young kid.
robocoug
Dec 19, 10:42pm
I actually feel bad for the kid. It was a really dumb decision, but he was just
Team Chaos
Dec 19, 5:46pm
Not a kid, he deserve harsh punishments. This very well could alter the life
HFF
Dec 19, 6:00pm
Ok - I'll bite. Please explain how spending taxpayer dollars to put this kid in jail and keep him there will help our
HarlemCoug
Dec 19, 6:05pm
Ok - I’ll bite should we just ignore all violent crime because somebody isn’t
HFF
Dec 19, 6:06pm
No. Please explain to us why this kid is one who deserves to get "locked up for a long time."
HarlemCoug
Dec 19, 6:07pm
Because the prosecutors have determined he is eligible for up to 5 yrs. If found
HFF
Dec 19, 6:11pm
Tell us more about him. You seem to be the expert. I keep asking for you to tell us but you continue to ignore. What is
HarlemCoug
Dec 19, 6:14pm
He is vile person that took the opportunity to harm somebody for cheering for a
HFF
Dec 19, 6:18pm
Be careful. I think this is true and I think you're bringing unnecessary harm your way. "For with what judgment ye
HarlemCoug
Dec 19, 6:22pm
I’m sorry that I am sympathetic to the victim and want the perpetrator to face
HFF
Dec 19, 6:25pm
You're not sorry. You're blood thirsty. You aren't fooling anyone. You don't know a thing about this kid and yet you
HarlemCoug
Dec 19, 6:28pm
I don’t want blood, I want him to be punished for the crime he committed.
HFF
Dec 19, 6:48pm
RE: Be careful. I think this is true and I think you're bringing unnecessary
C-dubb
Dec 19, 7:23pm
I don’t know how you feel OK making all those assumptions based on one dumb
allaboutthegainz
Dec 19, 6:24pm
I’ll break it down. He took a full water bottle and threw it at somebody causing
HFF
Dec 19, 6:28pm
Do you want to be judged by your singular worst decision made after the age
allaboutthegainz
Dec 19, 6:31pm
Lol, I can honestly say I have done nothing that would bring charges. It’s not
HFF
Dec 19, 6:33pm
If it’s felony grade-yes
bjc
Dec 19, 7:19pm
Exactly, hence why we have laws and punishments for breaking the law
CameronG
Dec 20, 2:06pm
Do you think he threw it "at somebody" or threw it onto the field, inadvertantly
Best Guess
Dec 19, 7:07pm
He threw it where there was a lot of people, to me he wanted to hit somebody.
HFF
Dec 19, 7:09pm
He admitted to police that he threw it in the direction of BYU people on purpose
CameronG
Dec 20, 2:04pm
The charge carries with it a sentence of up to 5 years
StantonMac
Dec 19, 6:33pm
He needs to make full restitution to the victim.
sfeuz
Dec 19, 6:41pm
RE: The charge carries with it a sentence of up to 5 years
bluecougar1985
Dec 19, 9:22pm
You seem to be on the other end of the spectrum where he shouldn't spend a single day incarcerated for an aggravated
SierraCoug
Dec 19, 6:12pm
There will be a civil lawsuit. Most likely he has a trust fund that is at risk. He also will certainly have plenty of
HarlemCoug
Dec 19, 6:19pm
He could lose his trust fund? Say it ain't so!
downtownchrisbrown
Dec 19, 6:28pm
I would be so screwed if I lost my trust fund
creameryon9th
Dec 19, 6:36pm
Some real self worth and confidence there. Guess earning money is out of the
Wife_Apologist
Dec 19, 9:19pm
If a trust fund is lost, someone didn’t set it up correctly. One of the main
SpudNut
Dec 19, 8:22pm
What if the victim wants him to be locked up? She blood thirsty too?
dfudge
Dec 20, 8:37am
LOL “He’ll lose his trust fund, so lay off the sweet kid! He’s going to suffer without grandpa’s money!! Waaaaaah!”
Yllage Vidiot
Dec 20, 8:03pm
It's called justice for the victim and sending a message so those who might
C-dubb
Dec 19, 7:22pm
That seems a bit of a strawman. I don't think anyone is suggesting condoning violence. But justice and mercy can balance
unctoothman
Dec 19, 7:29pm
So you get to decide for the victim?
C-dubb
Dec 19, 8:01pm
Nope. The legal system does. Thankfully. That's a lot better than a sports message board.
unctoothman
Dec 19, 8:29pm
Board name...
C-dubb
Dec 20, 5:09am
Glad you bit. The kid, who's part of society, will learn that there really are
Threw and Through
Dec 19, 7:26pm
I'm honestly puzzled by your take
MyTwoCents
Dec 20, 6:43am
What evidence do you have that he "deliberately attempt to cause serious physical injury to another person". More than
HarlemCoug
Dec 20, 7:03am
He admits to targeting the BYU cheer team and knowing they could get hurt
MyTwoCents
Dec 20, 8:37am
Good points - had not read the police reports
Rubble
Dec 21, 8:15pm
If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. Choices have consequences. And doesn’t matter if he’s wealthy.
Yllage Vidiot
Dec 20, 7:58pm
Did it cause lasting damage to the victim? What has she said about it?
Tiburon
Dec 19, 6:51pm
At a minimum it was a concussion that on its own can be life altering.
HFF
Dec 19, 7:21pm
They can also recover completely. Guarantee if it was your kid you wouldn’t
Metallicat
Dec 19, 8:14pm
And guarantee if it was your daughter or wife that got hit by the bottle you
CameronG
Dec 20, 11:52am
Watch the Pres Hickley talk. You're wrong.
HarlemCoug
Dec 20, 11:56am
This isn't the gotcha you think it is
CameronG
Dec 20, 12:30pm
The guy literally serves jail time. How are they missing this?
HFF
Dec 20, 1:42pm
I do think there should be consequences. I guarantee if it was my daughter I
Metallicat
Dec 20, 12:35pm
Arguing for a rich family to pay a small fine and get community service is
CameronG
Dec 20, 12:45pm
This is CB gold. You think it's "likely" that he's going to keep throwing water bottles at cheerleading squads if he
HarlemCoug
Dec 20, 1:08pm
Probably not water bottles, but what happens when somebody cuts this guy off. He
HFF
Dec 20, 1:44pm
No seriously. If this guy doesn’t go to jail for five years he’s probably going
Metallicat
Dec 20, 2:12pm
This was actually a very interesting discussion in this thread between justice
SJBLUE
Dec 19, 7:20pm
That's brilliant! The judge could sentence him to serve as her butler!
Buster Scruggs
Dec 19, 10:15pm
He turned himself in. What dad would let their kid make that 1st phone call? It's Sunday, you don't have a lawyer. So
HarlemCoug
Dec 19, 10:23pm
"He threw a water bottle after seeing others do the same"...when in uteville, do as other yewts do I guess
CLCougar
Dec 19, 5:47pm
He had no choice at that point.
byulover
Dec 19, 5:54pm
Looks like they saw the CB thread yesterday and got moving. Thank goodness
Nikomedes
Dec 19, 5:52pm
Of course he should not have thrown the bottle, but just really bad luck
Blue Heart
Dec 19, 5:54pm
That's not bad luck. There were a ton of people down there. It's not surprising
byubyu
Dec 19, 5:55pm
It’s probably surprising not more people got hit
Blue Heart
Dec 19, 5:57pm
so it was bad luck that it hit someone or that he got caught?
BYU Grounds
Dec 19, 6:12pm
Wow 6 weeks of therapy? That seems like a lot for a concussion.
ChiCityCoug
Dec 19, 5:55pm
It isn't
yahtzee
Dec 19, 6:00pm
What type of therapy? I’ve know plenty of people who have gotten
ChiCityCoug
Dec 19, 6:01pm
There are varying degrees of concussion - some people are in therapy
yahtzee
Dec 19, 6:03pm
Ok genuinely curious. What do they do in the therapy? Like cognitive things
ChiCityCoug
Dec 19, 6:04pm
Yes amongst other things. Here is a local clinic website that does this stuff
yahtzee
Dec 19, 6:08pm
I haven’t seen that post but sounds bad. Sorry to hear that.
ChiCityCoug
Dec 19, 6:31pm
Some for the rest of their lives.
Yllage Vidiot
Dec 20, 8:01pm
And I know people who get in car accidents and don't die
Belboz
Dec 19, 9:28pm
"As many as"
StantonMac
Dec 19, 6:00pm
True. But I guess I’m not aware of what theory is needed for a concussion.
ChiCityCoug
Dec 19, 6:02pm
Seems unwise to draw a conclusion ("seems like a lot for a concussion")
StantonMac
Dec 19, 6:08pm
I’ve just never heard of therapy for it, but I’m learning about it right now.
ChiCityCoug
Dec 19, 6:32pm
My son had a concussion in HS Bball game. It was months before he could ..
fan_byu
Dec 19, 8:32pm
Sometimes the therapy is recommended by a lawyer and not by a doctor. I have no idea if that's the case here.
HarlemCoug
Dec 19, 6:30pm
Yeah sadly I’ve heard that with other injuries.
ChiCityCoug
Dec 19, 6:33pm
I'm on the fence of how to handle this situation, but in light of your posts
bluescholar
Dec 20, 11:52am
I don't follow your concern. I think I've made a statement of fact, I haven't taken a side on the morals of it. And
HarlemCoug
Dec 20, 12:00pm
That you even implied this is gross after all your other posts. Ironically,
bluescholar
Dec 20, 12:05pm
The fact it happens is gross. For many accidents, the amount the victim receives
morningcalmcougar
Dec 20, 2:33pm
<< Deleted >>
yahtzee
Dec 20, 4:01pm
The effect of a concussion can last a lifetime
Belboz
Dec 19, 9:27pm
I’ve been educated tonight. I guess when I say concussion I was meaning a
ChiCityCoug
Dec 19, 9:33pm
Throw the book at him!!! Maybe not the best analogy here…
Reasonable1
Dec 19, 5:57pm
He'll plead to simple assault and get community service.
Mister P
Dec 19, 5:58pm
Which feels right honestly.
ChiCityCoug
Dec 19, 5:59pm
Why will a plea be necessary?
Plantagenet
Dec 19, 6:01pm
So he doesn't go to jail?
Mister P
Dec 19, 6:07pm
Should the prosecutor's job be to see that he doesn't go to jail?
Plantagenet
Dec 19, 6:12pm
I think it's good to make a public example here to prevent it in the future but
NOCAL_YFAN
Dec 19, 6:00pm
How does everyone here know that he has good character?
Plantagenet
Dec 19, 6:02pm
I didn't say anything about his character.
NOCAL_YFAN
Dec 19, 6:02pm
Why let someone off easy if you don't know about them?
Plantagenet
Dec 19, 6:13pm
It’s one thing that always annoys me about CB
BaseCoug
Dec 19, 6:14pm
We have many peculiar folks here
vegas guey
Dec 19, 6:30pm
Hope she sues him and all the money goes to BYU NIL.
Longseason
Dec 19, 6:03pm
I hope she sues in puts it all away for herself, head injuries are no joke.
HFF
Dec 19, 6:05pm
She’d be better off suing the UT AD for the lack of control the AD provided
Q-grr
Dec 20, 9:37am
Yeah at 18 you should know not to throw a water bottle from a suite towards
Texas_forever
Dec 19, 6:04pm
Yeah. He knew he was throwing it in the direction of the BYU cheer team
Julius Pepperwood
Dec 19, 6:12pm
A- this is not a kid, he’s an adult B- the act was reckless & malicious C- he
Lifi
Dec 19, 6:16pm
I especially hope she sues the U of U.
YOHONOMOTO
Dec 19, 7:36pm
I dislike the UofU plenty, but why should it be civilly liable for the criminal act of a fan attending the game?
SierraCoug
Dec 19, 7:43pm
Good way to get nets up in every stadium. Schools cannot be held liable for
ChiCityCoug
Dec 19, 7:44pm
Industry standard it to take the lids off bottle when you sell them. It's done in most stadia for this very reason. Utah
HarlemCoug
Dec 19, 7:57pm
I guess BYU is below the standard of care as well. I purchased water bottles this year at the stadium with the cap.
SierraCoug
Dec 19, 8:01pm
Why would they be published?
HarlemCoug
Dec 19, 8:06pm
You said it was an industry standard. In my experience, industry standards are generally published so that people who
SierraCoug
Dec 19, 8:11pm
No idea, legally. But they're deplorable, morally. So I hope there's a case.
YOHONOMOTO
Dec 19, 8:35pm
I guess its because we are nice people.... thats why.... unless your name is
niqmadu
Dec 20, 6:34am
Just sad all around. Extremely sad for the victim and I hope she can make a
allaboutthegainz
Dec 19, 6:26pm
Punish the kid but that’s not aggravated assault! At most a class A misdemeanor
upperdecky
Dec 19, 6:38pm
It doesn't have to involve a weapon to be a 3rd degree felony.
byubyu
Dec 19, 6:48pm
And even then... a full water bottle from a hundred feet up is def a weapon
YOHONOMOTO
Dec 19, 7:38pm
Have you looked up the legal definition of aggravated assault? Please do so and
Ghost of Peanut
Dec 19, 7:15pm
RE: Punish the kid but that’s not aggravated assault! At most a class A
yahtzee
Dec 19, 7:19pm
Funny how Furlong and Bartle aren’t tweeting about this.
Dangerous
Dec 19, 6:43pm
Seems Harsh imo. But I guess I didn’t interact with the kid.
conetah
Dec 19, 6:52pm
Jail time should could deter others from similar actions in the future.
Cougsanity
Dec 19, 8:10pm
Y'all are thinking wayyyy too hard about this
creameryon9th
Dec 19, 8:22pm
They should just settle to drop the charges. Gardner’s are loaded and take it ou
Big Daddy D
Dec 19, 8:25pm
Guys when I graduated high school we smashed mailboxes for fun
DodgerCoug
Dec 19, 8:57pm
You knocked somebody out cold while smashing mailboxes?
Ghost of Peanut
Dec 19, 9:16pm
A persons head is not the same as a mailbox
Mot
Dec 20, 12:39am
Were none of you teenagers, or ever raise teenagers
A_blue_car
Dec 19, 9:53pm
I was, and I broke my fair share of laws. And, I've raised teenagers, and gave
Emmett Fitz-Hume
Dec 19, 11:01pm
I don’t think a single person has argued there should be zero consequences.
Metallicat
Dec 20, 6:29am
And I would agree with you, and also would not agree that he should get five
Emmett Fitz-Hume
Dec 20, 12:18pm
This discussion is fascinating to me. Most here I assume are LDS and try to
coolblue
Dec 20, 7:19am
I suspect it is due to lived experience. Some are identifying with the victim
downtownchrisbrown
Dec 20, 7:53am
So true, but if people would step back and TRY to
1CougFan
Dec 20, 9:12am
It is interesting. It's also sad to me, from both perspectives. But I think
Buster Scruggs
Dec 20, 8:00am
BYU fans calling for his head are only doing it because he's a Utah fan.
StapleGun
Dec 20, 3:54pm
Disagree. I would want a BYU fan to face significant consequences in the same set of facts.
Yllage Vidiot
Dec 20, 8:10pm
Maybe those calling for “balance” are ignoring the fact that there is a victim
Mot
Dec 20, 9:51pm
Some thoughts and legitimate question
SEUTAHCoug
Dec 20, 6:27pm
What if it were me?
downtownchrisbrown
Dec 20, 7:38am
Sentence him to a summer of work on the BYU Grounds crew.
Spiff
Dec 20, 7:42am
If he doesn't serve any time
davidsonlaw
Dec 20, 10:45am
I don't think he'd serve time either way.
shakarocks
Dec 20, 1:53pm
The back and forth on this has been very interesting and I think it's a hard
bluescholar
Dec 20, 12:21pm
Oh wow. Fine the kid, sure. Make him do community service, etc.
AfterShocks
Dec 20, 12:51pm
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