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Dec 19, 2024
6:12:32pm

BYU Grounds Intervention Needed

so it was bad luck that it hit someone or that he got caught?

personally, I don't think he should be charged or do jail time but he should be on probation so he can prove he won't do something stupid again. He should have to do community service bc a fine will be paid by daddy or grand daddy and he owes the BYU cheer coach a personal f2f apology so he can experience personally the consequences of his actions.

He's lucky nothing really bad happened to her.

Oh also his daddy and grand daddy need to pay for the BYU coach's medical bills. They'll be lucky if they don't get a call from BYU donors named Siegfried and Jensen.

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Time

Aggravated assault.

mulletino Truly Addicted User

5:39pm

Seriously, though.

DirtyWater

5:41pm

Relative of Kem Gardner?

Socrates Johnson

5:44pm

Grandson. The bottle was thrown from Kem's box.

HarlemCoug

5:45pm

Is the kid Christian Gardner's son?

cosmohio

6:06pm

No. The article says that the kid's father Andrew turned him in.

Thrill

6:47pm

OK, thx.

cosmohio

7:18pm

Wonder what his institute's policy is on bottle chucking?

foofcoug

5:46pm

Grandson. I know the family and they’re good people.

cougarblue

5:51pm

Just made a mistake?

Plantagenet

5:58pm

Adult (not kid) should be locked up for a long time.

HFF

5:59pm

It won't do one bit of good to anyone if this kid spends even a day in jail.

HarlemCoug

6:03pm

Yes it will. Kid needs to learn the consequences of outrageous behavior.

Threw and Through

7:16pm

Even a day???

C-dubb

7:20pm

How does it help? What lesson would the kid learn that he hasn't already learned? What deterrent of future crime will

HarlemCoug

8:00pm

Has the kid been bailed out before?

sfeuz

8:01pm

No. First time offender who turned himself in.

HarlemCoug

8:03pm

I thought his dad turned him in.

AltTabbins

8:11pm

I don't understand your point. Are you implying the dad called without his son's permission? That didn't happen. The dad

HarlemCoug

8:16pm

My point was the narrative being thrown around was the dad turned him in. It wasn't a loaded question. Thanks for

AltTabbins

8:18pm

The point might be that the kid wouldn't have turned himself in if dad didn't.

ochobeeguy

10:03pm

How are you related to him? Clown comments.

Haysom Till

9:41pm

RE: How are you related to him? Clown comments.

HarlemCoug

10:00pm

What would you suggest as punishment, if any?

AltTabbins

8:23pm

There will be a two pronged approach in going after him. Criminal and civil. On the criminal side a fine, community

HarlemCoug

8:44pm

Kids from wealthy families usually don't worry much about the civil consequences

shakarocks

8:57pm

This is a valid point. If it’s not his money, he really doesn’t face any

Lalau

9:35pm

Oh yes it will. A day in jail will do him some good.

BlueTroop

9:02pm

Locked up? Come on now.

ChiCityCoug

6:03pm

He likely altered the life of somebody just doing the thing she loved.

HFF

6:09pm

I don’t see those two things as the same. But jail time doesn’t help.

ChiCityCoug

6:31pm

Even if they are 18 and it is a one time event.

HFF

6:35pm

It helps a lot. Soft-pedaling violent crime is what doesn't help.

Threw and Through

7:17pm

I agree jail helps stop crime. But I don’t think jail time in this instance is

ChiCityCoug

7:22pm

It seems the IRS every tax season throws the book at a high profile person.

dratax

9:08pm

President Hinckley's story on forgiveness seems oddly specific to this situation

6:42pm

But the kid in Hinckley's story still did time. Whether or not he happens to

Threw and Through

7:20pm

The kid in the story did a few more things than chuck a water bottle so it's

10:15pm

Jail time is fair.

SolidBlue

10:52pm

Maybe. A lot of community service and a civil suit to cover medical bills

11:03pm

Comparing to dropping things on cars is ridiculous

Deleted

10:06pm

How so? In both situation it is obvious what they are doing is going to hurt

HFF

10:11pm

Not locked up for a violent crime? Come on now.

Threw and Through

7:50pm

A plastic water bottle.

ChiCityCoug

7:56pm

Give me a shot at someone with a water bottle and I can mess up their whole month.

AltTabbins

8:12pm

Ok tough guy.

ChiCityCoug

9:06pm

Lol what a clown comment

8:52pm

Yeah, and is the death penalty too unreasonable? Yeesh. Let's not get carried away here. Aggravated assault seems

Bob Vance

9:56pm

Yeah, you would't want

Snipe

6:09pm

This is only a symptom of something already messed up- best thing

bjc

6:25pm

This board sure loves to sweep ute missteps under the rug

Ojiisan

7:00pm

Amen. He saw others throwing it and in the moment you don’t think a water bottle

8:55pm

This is a Utah mob mentality problem. President, AD, Whit, Fans.

ParentingNotForSissy

10:24pm

If they were "good people" they wouldn't be UofU fans, especially not invested

BYUtka

9:18pm

Once you're 18, that's the problem with playing a stupid game. The prize is

Emmett Fitz-Hume

10:53pm

We've never heard this story before

AlternateShot

11:07pm

Also know the family quite well. VERY good folks! Dumb mistake from a young kid.

robocoug

10:42pm

I actually feel bad for the kid. It was a really dumb decision, but he was just

Team Chaos

5:46pm

Not a kid, he deserve harsh punishments. This very well could alter the life

HFF

6:00pm

Ok - I'll bite. Please explain how spending taxpayer dollars to put this kid in jail and keep him there will help our

HarlemCoug

6:05pm

Ok - I’ll bite should we just ignore all violent crime because somebody isn’t

HFF

6:06pm

No. Please explain to us why this kid is one who deserves to get "locked up for a long time."

HarlemCoug

6:07pm

Because the prosecutors have determined he is eligible for up to 5 yrs. If found

HFF

6:11pm

Tell us more about him. You seem to be the expert. I keep asking for you to tell us but you continue to ignore. What is

HarlemCoug

6:14pm

He is vile person that took the opportunity to harm somebody for cheering for a

HFF

6:18pm

Be careful. I think this is true and I think you're bringing unnecessary harm your way. "For with what judgment ye

HarlemCoug

6:22pm

I’m sorry that I am sympathetic to the victim and want the perpetrator to face

HFF

6:25pm

You're not sorry. You're blood thirsty. You aren't fooling anyone. You don't know a thing about this kid and yet you

HarlemCoug

6:28pm

I don’t want blood, I want him to be punished for the crime he committed.

HFF

6:48pm

RE: Be careful. I think this is true and I think you're bringing unnecessary

C-dubb

7:23pm

I don’t know how you feel OK making all those assumptions based on one dumb

allaboutthegainz

6:24pm

I’ll break it down. He took a full water bottle and threw it at somebody causing

HFF

6:28pm

Do you want to be judged by your singular worst decision made after the age

allaboutthegainz

6:31pm

Lol, I can honestly say I have done nothing that would bring charges. It’s not

HFF

6:33pm

If it’s felony grade-yes

bjc

7:19pm

Do you think he threw it "at somebody" or threw it onto the field, inadvertantly

Best Guess

7:07pm

He threw it where there was a lot of people, to me he wanted to hit somebody.

HFF

7:09pm

The charge carries with it a sentence of up to 5 years

StantonMac

6:33pm

He needs to make full restitution to the victim.

sfeuz

6:41pm

RE: The charge carries with it a sentence of up to 5 years

9:22pm

You seem to be on the other end of the spectrum where he shouldn't spend a single day incarcerated for an aggravated

SierraCoug

6:12pm

There will be a civil lawsuit. Most likely he has a trust fund that is at risk. He also will certainly have plenty of

HarlemCoug

6:19pm

He could lose his trust fund? Say it ain't so!

downtownchrisbrown

6:28pm

I would be so screwed if I lost my trust fund

6:36pm

Some real self worth and confidence there. Guess earning money is out of the

9:19pm

If a trust fund is lost, someone didn’t set it up correctly. One of the main

SpudNut

8:22pm

It's called justice for the victim and sending a message so those who might

C-dubb

7:22pm

That seems a bit of a strawman. I don't think anyone is suggesting condoning violence. But justice and mercy can balance

unctoothman

7:29pm

So you get to decide for the victim?

C-dubb

8:01pm

Nope. The legal system does. Thankfully. That's a lot better than a sports message board.

unctoothman

8:29pm

Glad you bit. The kid, who's part of society, will learn that there really are

Threw and Through

7:26pm

Did it cause lasting damage to the victim? What has she said about it?

Tiburon

6:51pm

At a minimum it was a concussion that on its own can be life altering.

HFF

7:21pm

They can also recover completely. Guarantee if it was your kid you wouldn’t

Metallicat

8:14pm

This was actually a very interesting discussion in this thread between justice

SJBLUE

7:20pm

That's brilliant! The judge could sentence him to serve as her butler!

10:15pm

He turned himself in. What dad would let their kid make that 1st phone call? It's Sunday, you don't have a lawyer. So

HarlemCoug

10:23pm

"He threw a water bottle after seeing others do the same"...when in uteville, do as other yewts do I guess

CLCougar

5:47pm

He had no choice at that point.

byulover

5:54pm

Looks like they saw the CB thread yesterday and got moving. Thank goodness

Nikomedes

5:52pm

Of course he should not have thrown the bottle, but just really bad luck

Blue Heart

5:54pm

That's not bad luck. There were a ton of people down there. It's not surprising

byubyu

5:55pm

It’s probably surprising not more people got hit

Blue Heart

5:57pm

so it was bad luck that it hit someone or that he got caught?

BYU Grounds

6:12pm

Wow 6 weeks of therapy? That seems like a lot for a concussion.

ChiCityCoug

5:55pm

It isn't

yahtzee

6:00pm

What type of therapy? I’ve know plenty of people who have gotten

ChiCityCoug

6:01pm

There are varying degrees of concussion - some people are in therapy

yahtzee

6:03pm

Ok genuinely curious. What do they do in the therapy? Like cognitive things

ChiCityCoug

6:04pm

Yes amongst other things. Here is a local clinic website that does this stuff

yahtzee

6:08pm

I haven’t seen that post but sounds bad. Sorry to hear that.

ChiCityCoug

6:31pm

And I know people who get in car accidents and don't die

Belboz

9:28pm

"As many as"

StantonMac

6:00pm

True. But I guess I’m not aware of what theory is needed for a concussion.

ChiCityCoug

6:02pm

Seems unwise to draw a conclusion ("seems like a lot for a concussion")

StantonMac

6:08pm

I’ve just never heard of therapy for it, but I’m learning about it right now.

ChiCityCoug

6:32pm

My son had a concussion in HS Bball game. It was months before he could ..

fan_byu

8:32pm

Sometimes the therapy is recommended by a lawyer and not by a doctor. I have no idea if that's the case here.

HarlemCoug

6:30pm

Yeah sadly I’ve heard that with other injuries.

ChiCityCoug

6:33pm

The effect of a concussion can last a lifetime

Belboz

9:27pm

I’ve been educated tonight. I guess when I say concussion I was meaning a

ChiCityCoug

9:33pm

Throw the book at him!!! Maybe not the best analogy here…

Reasonable1

5:57pm

He'll plead to simple assault and get community service.

Mister P

5:58pm

Which feels right honestly.

ChiCityCoug

5:59pm

Why will a plea be necessary?

Plantagenet

6:01pm

So he doesn't go to jail?

Mister P

6:07pm

Should the prosecutor's job be to see that he doesn't go to jail?

Plantagenet

6:12pm

I think it's good to make a public example here to prevent it in the future but

NOCAL_YFAN

6:00pm

How does everyone here know that he has good character?

Plantagenet

6:02pm

I didn't say anything about his character.

NOCAL_YFAN

6:02pm

Why let someone off easy if you don't know about them?

Plantagenet

6:13pm

It’s one thing that always annoys me about CB

BaseCoug

6:14pm

We have many peculiar folks here

vegas guey

6:30pm

Hope she sues him and all the money goes to BYU NIL.

Longseason

6:03pm

I hope she sues in puts it all away for herself, head injuries are no joke.

HFF

6:05pm

Yeah at 18 you should know not to throw a water bottle from a suite towards

6:04pm

Yeah. He knew he was throwing it in the direction of the BYU cheer team

Julius Pepperwood

6:12pm

A- this is not a kid, he’s an adult B- the act was reckless & malicious C- he

Lifi

6:16pm

Harlem must be family the way he is defending the perp and dismissing the victim

HFF

6:26pm

Actually - I know Jocelyn well and have never met the kid. So you're wrong yet again.

HarlemCoug

6:31pm

Ask her if she think he should serve jail time.

HFF

6:36pm

And what if she says “no”? Would you back off then? Or still demand blood?

ChiCityCoug

6:40pm

Why do you keep saying that I am demanding blood? I am saying he should get a

HFF

6:43pm

Which to you appears to have him drawn and quartered and hung in the public

ChiCityCoug

6:51pm

I have literally said I think he should be incarcerated for a long time. In this

HFF

6:55pm

You know nothing about me. I’ve supported tough on crime policies my entire

ChiCityCoug

6:58pm

Ok but you are comfortable calling me blood thirst for saying he should get

HFF

7:04pm

I think you have made yourself clear. You aren’t interested in the facts

ChiCityCoug

7:20pm

“You do you” out there in Chicago, here we should punish crime.

HFF

7:25pm

Haven’t lived in Chicago in years. But hey if you didn’t have anything you

ChiCityCoug

7:43pm

And justice for you.

sfeuz

8:04pm

I think judging comes far more naturally and doesn’t require much study. But

ChiCityCoug

9:11pm

I especially hope she sues the U of U.

YOHONOMOTO

7:36pm

I dislike the UofU plenty, but why should it be civilly liable for the criminal act of a fan attending the game?

SierraCoug

7:43pm

Good way to get nets up in every stadium. Schools cannot be held liable for

ChiCityCoug

7:44pm

Industry standard it to take the lids off bottle when you sell them. It's done in most stadia for this very reason. Utah

HarlemCoug

7:57pm

I guess BYU is below the standard of care as well. I purchased water bottles this year at the stadium with the cap.

SierraCoug

8:01pm

Why would they be published?

HarlemCoug

8:06pm

You said it was an industry standard. In my experience, industry standards are generally published so that people who

SierraCoug

8:11pm

No idea, legally. But they're deplorable, morally. So I hope there's a case.

YOHONOMOTO

8:35pm

Just sad all around. Extremely sad for the victim and I hope she can make a

allaboutthegainz

6:26pm

So, don’t punish him? Good grief.

Lifi

6:32pm

Nice straw man there. Didn’t say that at all.

allaboutthegainz

6:33pm

Punish the kid but that’s not aggravated assault! At most a class A misdemeanor

upperdecky

6:38pm

It doesn't have to involve a weapon to be a 3rd degree felony.

byubyu

6:48pm

And even then... a full water bottle from a hundred feet up is def a weapon

YOHONOMOTO

7:38pm

Have you looked up the legal definition of aggravated assault? Please do so and

Ghost of Peanut

7:15pm

RE: Punish the kid but that’s not aggravated assault! At most a class A

yahtzee

7:19pm

Funny how Furlong and Bartle aren’t tweeting about this.

Dangerous

6:43pm

Seems Harsh imo. But I guess I didn’t interact with the kid.

conetah

6:52pm

Jail time should could determine other from similar actions in the future.

Cougsanity

8:10pm

Y'all are thinking wayyyy too hard about this

8:22pm

They should just settle to drop the charges. Gardner’s are loaded and take it ou

Big Daddy D

8:25pm

Guys when I graduated high school we smashed mailboxes for fun

DodgerCoug

8:57pm

You knocked somebody out cold while smashing mailboxes?

Ghost of Peanut

9:16pm

Were none of you teenagers, or ever raise teenagers

A_blue_car

9:53pm

I was, and I broke my fair share of laws. And, I've raised teenagers, and gave

Emmett Fitz-Hume

11:01pm

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