They didn’t listen. Looking around Utah is proof of that.

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Dec 29, 2024
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AlternateShot

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Visiting my wife's old home ward in SoCal today. It's about what you'd expect

shoganai

12/29/24 12:40pm

What city/area in SoCal, Shog?

Fervent Cougar

12/29/24 12:49pm

Long Beach.

shoganai

12/29/24 12:51pm

I used to like Long Beach 30 years ago. Went to a LB ward for awhile.

88Coug

12/29/24 12:56pm

Love visiting. Would never seriously consider living here.

shoganai

12/29/24 1:01pm

I grew up in SoCal - I loved it. But California reminds me of a third world

Str8CashCougar

12/29/24 7:31pm

Sorry, but Utah is full. The quality of life has already substantially decreased due to move-ins from other states.

Rules For Thee

12/30/24 9:22am

I lived in 3rd world countries for about 22 years, and just moved to SoCal a few

Japan Coug

12/30/24 9:33am

Me too bro. I lived in 3 latam countries for 8 years: 2 in Colombia, 3 in Chile

Str8CashCougar

12/30/24 9:53pm

If you’ve lived in 3rd world countries that long, then I’m sure you would agree

Japan Coug

12/31/24 1:30am

I just looked at the meetinghouse locator for the South Bay. So few wards

88Coug

12/29/24 7:31pm

Portland, OR is the same way—was a mass exodus in 2019 (even before COVID).

BYUHgrad

12/29/24 11:36pm

One of my coworker/friends grew up in Long Beach.

85fan

12/29/24 2:32pm

Grew up in Long Beach 8th ward.

Florwood

12/29/24 5:21pm

I grew up in Long Beach 5th. My grandfather was responsible for the building

BYUFBDAD

12/29/24 9:54pm

I loved the building on ximeno

Florwood

12/29/24 10:38pm

Was in the 10th ward from 2010 to 2013, loved that ward

Kevin Arnold

12/29/24 11:15pm

Long Beach State or Long Beach Each Stake?

NacoCoug

12/29/24 10:27pm

RE: Long Beach State or Long Beach Each Stake?

BYUFBDAD

12/29/24 10:32pm

East. Woodruff Ward.

shoganai

12/29/24 10:33pm

Woodruff meetinghouse was sold in 2019

ExitStageLeft

12/29/24 11:47pm

It was. But the ward was not part of the sale.

shoganai

12/30/24 12:12am

Loved that building

ExitStageLeft

12/30/24 7:51am

My parents met at a dance in LB.

88Coug

12/29/24 10:42pm

How much are home prices in that area?

NumbersGuy

12/29/24 12:50pm

SD is the best. Too bad it is too expensive with not enough high paying jobs.

88Coug

12/29/24 12:57pm

Yea, California is horrible. Nobody should ever move here.

Hufflepuff

12/29/24 7:51pm

We will leave that to you rich folks.

88Coug

12/29/24 8:01pm

Is it just that LDS people are leaving CA? California wards aren’t restricted to a small neighborhood of a few…

Brisco

12/29/24 12:53pm

This is my suspicion.

NumbersGuy

12/29/24 12:58pm

The cost of living is a huge entry barrier for most young LDS families.

shoganai

12/29/24 12:58pm

We went to a Carlsbad ward a few months ago. Had a decent number of young

88Coug

12/29/24 1:02pm

Have a nephew (orthodontist) living and raising his family in Carlsbad.

sfeuz

12/29/24 3:02pm

I'm also an orthodontist raising my family in Carlsbad. There's a few of us.

rbr

12/29/24 8:34pm

My wife and I just moved to Oceanside and bought a house, expecting first kid soon.

WP17

12/29/24 11:34pm

Didn't President Nelson in a talk to California members

gopman

12/29/24 1:03pm

Yes.

Idacoug

12/29/24 1:35pm

A friend who just moved here to Colorado told me about this. CA politics also.

eyes4byu

12/29/24 3:08pm

Colorado politics really isn’t any better.

kahuna

12/29/24 5:16pm

What do you mean by "better"?

chochera

12/30/24 9:00am

Agreed. We are becoming California, incrementally, in politics.🤨

eyes4byu

12/30/24 12:10pm

Agree

kahuna

12/30/24 7:13pm

They didn’t listen. Looking around Utah is proof of that.

AlternateShot

12/29/24 4:24pm

Was in the meeting

bjc

12/29/24 5:25pm

My SoCal stake merged when I was a little kid. Lots of wards shutting down.

88Coug

12/29/24 5:34pm

How are people supposed to stay in an area with insane home

gopman

12/29/24 6:25pm

Also when contributing a big portion of income to the church.

NumbersGuy

12/29/24 6:56pm

100% correct. Texas is new California

Idacoug

12/29/24 1:34pm

Texas depresses me. Nice people, great sports fans and not much else.

LumberCoug

12/29/24 4:20pm

Was there last month. No MOUNTAINS!!!

Bad Plus Fan

12/29/24 9:43pm

That was the worst part of living in DFW, the lack of mountains.

88Coug

12/29/24 9:52pm

I’m sorry, I’m sure cost of living is great but wow. Just a wind tunnel with

MrSandman

12/29/24 9:38pm

Austin is nice. Hilly, green, the river, UT, the capital, good food, etc.

NumbersGuy

12/29/24 9:41pm

Dallas feels like someone took the worst of American suburbia and mutated it x 1,000. Austin is great, though. SA too

WP17

12/29/24 11:48pm

When kids grow up they can't afford to buy a home in the area

Tricky

12/29/24 6:31pm

Sadly Utah is becoming the same way

NonmormonYfan89

12/29/24 7:00pm

It is not any better in Utah, with 3rd least affordable housing in the US

Mabuhay Coug

12/29/24 8:48pm

Agreed, its tough in Utah for sure. Which is why I work for a company out of Boston. Companies in Utah pay like crap

NonmormonYfan89

12/29/24 9:28pm

Honestly, that demographic cycle is most pronounced in wards in Utah, but happens everywhere

krindorr

12/29/24 1:35pm

More affordable areas of CA still have large LDS populations

MaximusMeridius

12/29/24 1:35pm

Where are these affordable areas that members live in CA?

Projectoor

12/29/24 3:43pm

Anywhere that's not Bay area or southern California

MaximusMeridius

12/29/24 4:08pm

Temecula is wonderful. Great wards. Great community, hr from SD

MrSandman

12/29/24 9:39pm

A number of people I know moved out there. They like it

88Coug

12/29/24 9:53pm

It just gets 105° in the summer and you’re pretty far from the beach.

WP17

12/29/24 11:52pm

Yes. Sacramento. Modesto/Merced/Tracy. Inland Empire.

UNLVcougar

12/29/24 5:16pm

During Covid dozens of families moved from CA to UT. In Santa Clarita, 3 stakes

Str8CashCougar

12/29/24 5:49pm

Santa Clarita had 2 Stakes before covid

PenrynCoug

12/29/24 7:05pm

don't let facts destroy the narrative - my cousin is in Stevenson Ranch

Str8CashCougar

12/29/24 7:23pm

Yes--two stakes in Santa Clarita since before COVID, but

scvcoog

12/30/24 2:35pm

5 years ago our ward in rural Kansas averaged about 135 on Sunday, now we are

Submariner

12/29/24 1:05pm

What part of Kansas?

slatecoug

12/29/24 4:20pm

About 30 miles north of Wichita.

Submariner

12/29/24 6:13pm

Same story with my mom's ward in rural Kansas

StantonMac

12/29/24 6:44pm

I have no clue why someone would eye roll this.

UNLVcougar

12/29/24 5:16pm

Some CBers love the eye roll. I may have used it once in the last five years. It's dumb.

Brisco

12/29/24 5:58pm

Appears you haven’t visited any San Clemente Wards.

bluebrotha

12/29/24 1:17pm

Lots of rich folks, I suspect.

88Coug

12/29/24 4:31pm

Young families cannot afford to buy there.

HiLife

12/29/24 4:58pm

Same thing visiting my ward I grew up in Western Washington. Now, there are some

BYUHawk

12/29/24 1:17pm

My teenaged son's girlfriend moved to San Diego with her family this summer

Zooropa

12/29/24 1:19pm

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WaffleCheese

12/29/24 3:17pm

Not that way in Huntington just down the road. But generally speaking you are

Idacoug

12/29/24 1:33pm

When I was young, my family lived in eastern LA county..

Frustrated Coug

12/29/24 1:56pm

My wife grew up in Glendora during the 80’s.

HiLife

12/29/24 4:54pm

We just formed an entire new stake in south Orange County.

cougERdoc

12/29/24 2:57pm

Yeah South Orange County has tons of young families. Ladera Ranch and San

califcougar

12/29/24 7:13pm

The problem in Southern California is that

scvcoog

12/29/24 3:13pm

My mom is probably the RS president of that ward.

WaffleCheese

12/29/24 3:21pm

My old neighbors from Springville moved to Orange County, early 30s with 3 kids

andrewg3

12/29/24 3:24pm

My dad’s ward in Bountiful is similar. Lots of older people, way less families

Blue for Life

12/29/24 3:34pm

In San Diego for last 11 years. Ward has seen huge influx of young families

nomomtn

12/29/24 3:39pm

SD reduced number of wards and stakes just 3 yrs ago. Lots of members

Bluforever

12/29/24 4:03pm

Population has been moving south. Happens everywhere. My stake is great and

Mr. Rumsfield

12/29/24 4:01pm

This is the growth ponzi scheme at work.

Jimmertime

12/29/24 4:23pm

What do you mean by this?

mang

12/29/24 5:31pm

Consider joining the strong towns movement. Our development pattern is

bdizzle

12/29/24 6:51pm

Sounds like my stake in SoCal.

HiLife

12/29/24 4:45pm

Sounds like my ward in Huntington Beach

bdizzle

12/29/24 8:03pm

I felt that. Visiting my childhood home ward in WA today as well, same deal.

seacougar

12/29/24 8:40pm

As did I visiting my childhood ward in Orem

GenkiLawyer

12/29/24 11:07pm

Sometimes CougarBoard can be so strange.....

xiaoping

12/29/24 8:52pm

RE: Sometimes CougarBoard can be so strange.....

WaffleCheese

12/29/24 8:59pm

I think you're reading a lot of things that nobody wrote.

shoganai

12/29/24 10:30pm

That and the data he posted doesn't really support any of his assertions.

UNLVcougar

12/29/24 10:33pm

RE: I think you're reading a lot of things that nobody wrote.

xiaoping

12/29/24 11:43pm

I live here as well, and it’s difficult to ignore how badly California is

UNLVcougar

12/30/24 12:22am

All fair points. Maybe I just got too sensitive.

xiaoping

12/30/24 12:27am

Woodland Hills?

Dr MoBYU

12/29/24 11:05pm

You just described my childhood ward that I attended today

Kolipoki

12/30/24 12:14am

Downey

ExitStageLeft

12/30/24 7:53am

Bell Ward still exists, unlike a lot of others in the area.

88Coug

12/30/24 8:55am

It’s basically a branch now

Kolipoki

12/30/24 10:23am

It was never a huge ward, IIRC, but there were so many small wards with their

88Coug

12/30/24 11:09am

Maybe you both dated the same cute girl . . .

85fan

12/30/24 2:06pm

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