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Sep 23, 2024
11:47:19am

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And any KS defender will try to assign blame else where but give KS props for

anything good that happens. Defense is good and people are giving props to KS for hiring Hill. But KS had to be forced to finally get rid of Tuiaki. If you want to give him credit for this defense, then you have to give him the blame for the recruiting and defense from the past too. You can't have your cake and eat it too. KS's recruiting has been bad. If what you say is true, he should have seen Lamb's method wasn't working, and he should have pivoted.

I have a hard time believing that the last three years are really just because of Lamb. There are so many factors. Getting into the Big 12 and getting a new Defensive Coordinator chief among them.

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What does Holmoe do if Hill becomes so good that he is getting

UNLVcougar

9/22/24 11:38pm

Back up a brinks truck to get him to stay.

cougarfann888

9/22/24 11:39pm

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Forzaitalia

9/23/24 2:08pm

Hope the heart attack was blessing in disguise, and Hill decides he doesn't need

Forzaitalia

9/23/24 2:12pm

no, they would offer to pay him a lot of money to stay as DC

JOPE

9/22/24 11:40pm

It will happen if we keep winning this year

TLCougar

9/22/24 11:40pm

Agreed. Let's hope he doesn't take any coaches or players with him.

astroman

9/23/24 5:59am

Why are some so quick to give Hill all the credit? Kalani is the current head coach.

RdF3

9/22/24 11:40pm

Because the defense was mostly inept until he became defensive coordinator

cougarfann888

9/22/24 11:42pm

People love to blame Kalani when things are bad, then give him no credit if

Blueto

9/22/24 11:42pm

True, but there is still a weakness on offense so until that looks solved the

SoBlueitHurts

9/23/24 2:59pm

Because Hill's impact was apparent from day one post Tuaki. Yes, Kalani snagged

jtm0001

9/22/24 11:43pm

Kalani is still overseeing everything from recruiting to strength and

Polecat

9/23/24 10:00am

Plus Hill is LDS and was right up the road. It was a no-brainer to offer him.

BlueFever

9/23/24 11:05am

Not disparaging Sitake at all

TLCougar

9/22/24 11:46pm

Our recruiting is turning around, and recruits, even defensive recruits

JOPE

9/22/24 11:46pm

It only took ks eight years to start recruiting almost good enough. Extend him!

here's to hoping

9/23/24 1:46am

Our recruiting this year is either at the bottom or near the bottom in

kimdaddy35

9/23/24 2:08am

At the bottom of the Big 12? So, just like every other program who moves up to

Polecat

9/23/24 10:38am

Can you break down why you expected Kalani to recruit like a P4 without being

Polecat

9/23/24 10:35am

Can you break down why you thought Kalani would recruit like Tulane when he

kimdaddy35

9/23/24 10:56am

My honest opinion is that he was so hands off to the extent that the program and

Polecat

9/23/24 11:29am

So recruiting was horrible because Kalani didn't care enough to do his job?

kimdaddy35

9/23/24 11:38am

Then Kalani needed to install the program he wanted rather than let Ed Lamb do

CameronG

9/23/24 12:27pm

I didn't expect him to recruit like a P4.

here's to hoping

9/23/24 11:28am

I posted above that it’s highly plausible that Kalani utilized Ed Lamb’s style

Polecat

9/23/24 11:36am

And any KS defender will try to assign blame else where but give KS props for

here's to hoping

9/23/24 11:47am

Excuses. Money isn't the issue. It's lack of effort from the staff

gopman

9/23/24 12:13pm

BYU isn't putting any more money into the program than what they already had.

9/23/24 8:48am

Serious…. If you do not see the impact of Jay Hill, no need to try to explain

44C

9/23/24 6:27am

Where have you been the last 8 years?

gopman

9/23/24 7:10am

KS doesn't even understand the basics of how the game is played.

Mitty

9/23/24 10:01am

Just stop with nonsense like this.

HarlemCoug

9/23/24 10:05am

You should delete this.

ebv

9/23/24 10:20am

Why? Because you can't refute his point?

gopman

9/23/24 11:18am

Are you suggesting that your football team is paying a guy $4M/yr to coach and that guy doesn't even understand the

HarlemCoug

9/23/24 11:21am

Show me a video of Kalani breaking down film. Go on.

gopman

9/23/24 11:26am

Hey wait aren’t you the guy who said before the KSU game that our non-LJ RBs are

9/23/24 10:18pm

You still can't refute my argument that we need depth at RB.

gopman

9/24/24 5:53am

Moa is our 5th string RB. We just beat KSU playing our 4th, 5th and 6th RBs.

9/24/24 7:43am

We don't have good RB depth. I know it's early but if LJ Martin

gopman

9/24/24 8:20am

If you can't see that the fact that we've been getting good production

Ungoy

9/24/24 9:40am

lol some of these takes are nutso

cruiserhead

9/23/24 12:32pm

Kalani gets the credit for the Hill hire, just as he gets the blame for all the bad hires. However, the credit for the

unctoothman

9/23/24 11:07am

If we start having coaches leave because this is place leads to promotions, then we attract better talent

KingDave

9/22/24 11:43pm

Let’s have a winning record in conference first

Reasonable1

9/23/24 12:00am

Retire. Make Kalani AD. Promote Jay Hill to HC

Dr MoBYU

9/23/24 12:00am

I actually think KS would be a really good AD. But he wouldn't make $4M/yr...

YankeeCoug

9/23/24 11:56am

Probably he’s set by now. I’d hope and he could ride off into the sunset.

Dr MoBYU

9/23/24 12:30pm

Why do people get their undies in a bunch worrying about dumb things they can't control?

ManicBlue

9/23/24 12:03am

You mean like football games that you aren't playing in?

cougarfann888

9/23/24 12:13am

You get your undies in a bunch over those too? Wow, I'll bet you can relly hit the high notes. How's your BP?

ManicBlue

9/23/24 12:29am

You mean like other poster’s posts?

9/23/24 10:12am

RE: What does Holmoe do if Hill becomes so good that he is getting head

9/23/24 12:28am

If you know Hill will make a significantly better HC and he is the main

maYbe

9/23/24 1:19am

Have them switch positions. 🙂

Lifer

9/23/24 3:51am

The hope would be that a) we keep Hill as DC & then b) Kalani realizes

gopman

9/23/24 7:03am

How about the Dude just had a heart attack, we know nothing about his family situation with wife and kids and relatives

DJROSS

9/23/24 7:15am

People are saying Kalani has no coaching tree if he goes then that is good

nbruin

9/23/24 7:39am

What happens next year when Scalley hires Hill as his DC?

CrimsonCardinal

9/23/24 7:55am

Then Hill would keep his spot as next BYU HC. Might even accelerate the timeline

Great38

9/23/24 8:51am

This is probably the correct answer.

CrimsonCardinal

9/23/24 11:15am

Why would he take that? I think BYU has better resources going forward and

jre85

9/23/24 11:03am

Why would he take a demotion?

SoBlueitHurts

9/23/24 2:57pm

My goodness, please edit your subject line.

JohnnyComeLately

9/23/24 7:58am

I saw the title of this and it was not what I thought it was going to be about

9/23/24 8:07am

Hill will get high paying offers. It’s gonna be a problem.

Idacoug

9/23/24 8:08am

How much will his recent health issue play into that?

tacocat

9/23/24 9:03am

Jay Hill has already been a HC and completely turned around a program that had

CameronG

9/23/24 9:13am

Sure, I don't dispute that. Just wondering how his recent health issue

tacocat

9/23/24 10:00am

It wouldn't affect any unless he was missing games

CameronG

9/23/24 12:16pm

You do what Utah did with their next head coach you keep him

KYU

9/23/24 8:36am

We lose Hill. The better Hill does, the more untouchable Sitake becomes.

9/23/24 8:45am

This is the truth.

shimmy

9/23/24 8:56am

Don't be afraid of success

refunder

9/23/24 9:08am

We just pay Hill more than Sitake.

Tasty Bacon

9/23/24 9:21am

It happens in the business and government world. Sales commission can be more

9/23/24 9:47am

That's what he SHOULD do, but probably won't, and we'll lose Hill.

Mitty

9/23/24 10:04am

Retire and let it be somebody else's problem.

JayOwen

9/23/24 10:50am

Kalani...

BYU Grounds

9/23/24 10:57am

Why does everyone forget that earlier this year, when Hill was still recovering,

Threw and Through

9/23/24 11:12am

I have been very critical of KS…he is extremely reliant on his assistant coaches

SoggyBB

9/23/24 12:26pm

We are going to lose Hill--sooner, rather than later. He will get a good head

Plantagenet

9/23/24 12:56pm

Kalani Sitake is accountable for BYU's record. For better or worse. Absurd to credit Hill for the wins, not losses.

roseyscenario

9/23/24 1:03pm

We lost the last 5 games of last season. Exactly zero of those losses are the fault of Hill for some reason. Apparently

HarlemCoug

9/23/24 1:05pm

Each is responsible for their job description. Hill is doing a great job.

Plantagenet

9/23/24 1:11pm

if this were true then Hill would be getting much more heat for 2023.

HarlemCoug

9/23/24 1:14pm

Hill did the best you can do with what he had last year. He has transformed

Plantagenet

9/23/24 4:52pm

Central to Sitake's job description is that he attract brilliant, winning help. That's how LaVell won. That what all

roseyscenario

9/23/24 1:30pm

It’s a great problem to have!

Shawarma

9/23/24 2:03pm

Sitake is a good coach and Jake is BYU's best QB, by far. Not say Kalani is a great Coach. He's neither a Lavell nor a

roseyscenario

9/23/24 4:06pm

What makes you think he was an excellent DC? At UT KWitt called the D. At OSU

9/23/24 6:50pm

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