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Sep 20, 2024
11:15:27am

valcorger All-American

Except that it is, in order to actually monitor and document the unproductivity.

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valcorger

Bio page: valcorger
Joined: Oct 3, 2004
Last login: Sep 20, 2024
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Author

Time

Working from home has been one of my biggest blessings of my life

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 11:09am

I work in the office but I have the flexibility to never miss any of my kids

BYUheaven

Sep 19, 11:13am

Yep I work in office 100%. My office is 4 minutes from home and 2 minutes from

cougarfann888

Sep 19, 11:18am

Most jobs should have a way of measuring output.

Madam Pattirini

Sep 19, 11:14am

It really depends on the job. I believe most jobs benefit from being in office

cougarfann888

Sep 19, 11:15am

I'm guessing you've never worked for the government.

greatbam

Sep 19, 3:39pm

I worked for the government for a long time as a prosecutor and everything

cougarfann888

Sep 19, 3:45pm

I guess I could understand that for your field but being in IT sadly can't say that I've really learned that much from..

greatbam

Sep 19, 4:02pm

For IT, programmers, you only really learn from code reviews, or if you hit

bald man

6:07am

What's this on "obvious incentives to keep workers in a space other than homes"?

Sep 19, 11:16am

like energy companies, cities economies based around huge workforce.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 11:18am

Commercial real estate needs companies to rent their buildings, WFH cuts profits

BYUFootballisBack

Sep 19, 11:18am

Ok but why would individual companies care about that? If they could save money

cougarfann888

Sep 19, 11:21am

They dont he said the push back is coming from the commercial real estate people

BYUFootballisBack

Sep 19, 11:23am

Exactly. One firm's profits are another's expenses.

Sep 19, 11:23am

Because individual companies are still paying for the offices they are leasing.

ochobeeguy

Sep 19, 11:27am

paying for the building, heating, cooling, water, etc

LeonMarek

Sep 19, 11:28am

And will do so whether the employee shows up or not. So why does it matter?

Sep 19, 11:35am

And these are massive companies with all of the data in the world to calculate t

Jay Rick

Sep 19, 5:49pm

Many companies have spent and extraordinary amount of money on prime real estate

VACOUGFAN

Sep 19, 11:20am

but that's just a sunk cost fallacy, and I doubt large companies like meta are

Jay Rick

Sep 19, 5:53pm

Maybe not Zuk but there are plenty of middle managers sad to see empty offices.

VACOUGFAN

Sep 19, 6:50pm

You don't believe big companies can have illogical, dumb management?

Mitty

10:10am

So you were inefficient in the office and you are no less efficient at home. Congrats. Nobody here is going to tell you

supertux

Sep 19, 11:18am

I have worked in an office for 10 years and have multiple degrees.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 12:02pm

umad bro?

Cougarclaw

Sep 19, 12:24pm

He did post the ultimate whine thread.

Sid Vicious

Sep 19, 2:15pm

Oh the old boomer burn. So dang burnful

Big Daddy D

Sep 19, 10:04pm

Geez, painted a picture of yourself.

8:06am

RE: Geez, painted a picture of yourself.

garyfan

8:09am

RE: Geez, painted a picture of yourself.

valcorger

8:17am

Dumb, unproductive, cynical comment.

Mitty

10:11am

Same for me. Way more productive and I'm able to help out my wife a lot more.

royal_blue

Sep 19, 11:18am

CPA firm...works ok for line folks kicking out returns. It is really bad for

Fdnman

Sep 19, 11:21am

Same situation, and I love it! But I do struggle with efficiency.

Tiburon

Sep 19, 11:21am

yeah, but it has got to cause more stress on your parents.

Longseason

Sep 19, 11:23am

You're commuting 9-10 hours per day?

2FarGone

Sep 19, 11:23am

Weird they keep giving me promotions.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 11:51am

And either Trump or Kamala is going to be president of the USA. Doesn't mean

BYUMizzou

Sep 19, 12:47pm

I give people promotions all the time that I end up firing.

2FarGone

Sep 19, 1:03pm

weird flex but ok. Maybe get better

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 1:06pm

not a flex at all

2FarGone

Sep 19, 1:10pm

Ironic comment

jdub

10:01am

Amen. Same. Except for the diaper changing part as my kids are past that.

RockyBalboa

Sep 19, 11:23am

I like working at home. I like working in the office. I HAAATE commuting

Sep 19, 11:24am

Working in the office is more fun if it's not busy.

Belboz

Sep 19, 11:34am

This is correct

WDaddy

Sep 19, 12:22pm

Yep, the big problem for me is the commute. 2 to 3 hours wasted each day.

Breaded Hamster

Sep 19, 4:20pm

Working just 4 days a week, soon to be 3 days and 1 day for only virtual visits

Zoobieman

Sep 19, 11:32am

Hard to be a work from home dentist. Guess I'll be that "disappear all day, eat dinner, and say goodnight" dad.

byujacob

Sep 19, 11:40am

Bro, just use video chat

OldFogey

Sep 19, 11:49am

<< Deleted >>

byujacob

Sep 19, 12:10pm

Yeah but dentists also only work like 3 days a week so it balances out.

Mike Honcho

Sep 19, 12:33pm

Maybe one day. I know you're not a surgeon but who knows maybe one day remote dentistry?

greatbam

Sep 19, 3:48pm

Happy for you! All depends on the type of work you have and who you work for.

CougaRR4L

Sep 19, 11:41am

9-10 hrs daily commute? I guess boardname really checks out.

ordinary tri guy

Sep 19, 11:54am

My son has stomach flu today. I’m grateful to leave and be at work for that.

Magneto

Sep 19, 11:54am

I'm interested in the math that you need DOUBLE to work from an office. I

ChinaFan

Sep 19, 11:57am

Hes saying he values his current situation and it would take double to leave it

BYUFootballisBack

Sep 19, 11:59am

but he inferred that he couldn't afford to do anything else, which probably is a

ChinaFan

Sep 19, 12:06pm

Did not infer that.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 12:10pm

Ill take hybrid. Everyday in the office sucks. Everyday at home also sucks

machete

Sep 19, 11:59am

I WFH for 8 years but also with travel. It was a huge blessing.

gangbusters

Sep 19, 12:01pm

The biggest issue with WFH

Sep 19, 12:13pm

That’s great but you are making a great case for how WFH is less productive for

garyfan

Sep 19, 12:15pm

Research has shown office workers work 2 hours and 23 min a day.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 12:32pm

Cool. If that stat is your benchmark, then change all the diapers you want.

garyfan

Sep 19, 1:01pm

What research if I may ask?

DJROSS

Sep 19, 1:28pm

Research on companies that are going to lay off people who only work a few hours

Ojiisan

Sep 19, 5:50pm

AMEN! Remove commute, lunches, etc. I'm WFH 12+ yrs & way more productive

Bar_None

Sep 19, 12:19pm

I couldn't do WFH, period. I need the separation. And I love my family dearly.

Adwight

Sep 19, 12:23pm

Sounds like your work isn’t getting 100% of you if you’re driving to school and

pink22

Sep 19, 12:32pm

Google how many hrs the average office worker actually works.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 12:36pm

It’s just crazy to me that you’re so brazenly admitting to not working during

Forest Green

Sep 19, 12:46pm

I never said I work 2-3 hours a day. So hold your outrage.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 1:00pm

It sure sounds like you’re happily comparing yourself to these 2-3 hr guys.

Forest Green

Sep 19, 1:18pm

I am happy to compare myself to them because I work a lot more.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 2:05pm

RE: It’s just crazy to me that you’re so brazenly admitting to not working

SausageKing

Sep 19, 4:55pm

I’m not saying office people don’t waste time. But if I work down the hall and

pink22

Sep 19, 12:49pm

Basically your argument is that you're justified in stealing time from your

BYUMizzou

Sep 19, 12:49pm

I do not get paid by the hour. I am not stealing anything.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 12:54pm

RE: I do not get paid by the hour. I am not stealing anything.

garyfan

Sep 19, 1:07pm

So one week last year you worked a 70-hour week, and all of the other weeks were

MHallDidNothingWr0ng

Sep 19, 10:25pm

I'm not sure what you are saying here

Northwest Cougar

Sep 19, 1:00pm

No I have skills and experience that people value.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 1:03pm

I think you need to do more work before considering yourself an expert on WFH

garyfan

Sep 19, 1:09pm

says the guy with 40k CB posts. Get to work lazy bones.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 1:12pm

RE: says the guy with 40k CB posts. Get to work lazy bones.

garyfan

Sep 19, 1:16pm

Maybe if you in office guys weren't on CB all day you'd get something done

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 1:18pm

You make lots of unfounded assumptions when your ideas are challenged.

garyfan

Sep 19, 1:26pm

Yeah I assumed you made all your posts is that wrong?

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 1:46pm

I’m starting to wonder if some employers allow WFH because they don’t want

garyfan

Sep 19, 2:21pm

Pretty sure most of us here could change a diaper and play with kids.

JohnnyComeLately

Sep 19, 1:21pm

It sounds like you could do the job of two people, and then your employer could

Jay Rick

Sep 19, 5:27pm

My job just started requiring us to come into the office every other week…

provoprodigy

Sep 19, 1:05pm

sounds like you don't do much "work" either at home or in office

bald man

Sep 19, 1:28pm

People with hair get more done in shorter periods of time.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 1:57pm

what cheeky thing to say.

bald man

6:19am

I just left a company I was at for 14 months.

whirl

Sep 19, 1:33pm

That's a separate discussion than the OP though. That company you worked for

BYUMizzou

Sep 19, 2:02pm

I agree with a lot of your post but for the sake of discussion — Dad’s being overly saturated in children’s lives is

Zach Morris

Sep 19, 1:33pm

Amen and amen. I’ll never go back to full time in office. Need that flexibility

Lefty24

Sep 19, 2:23pm

Wonder how many wives and possibly kids are like “Dad is around way too much”

pink22

Sep 19, 4:00pm

lol full transparency sometimes too many cooks in the kitchen can be

Lefty24

Sep 19, 6:20pm

Why not just work from India?

Pasadena

Sep 19, 2:52pm

You sound like a guy who was recently a co-worker of mine. We'd been on a small team working remote for the past..

greatbam

Sep 19, 4:09pm

WFH is like taking a posting overseas. Out of sight really often means out of

bald man

6:27am

That sounds great for you, but why should your employer pay you to "take your

Jay Rick

Sep 19, 5:30pm

They choose to because i do my job. Strange concept.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 5:37pm

You don't take 45 seconds to change a diaper. Your own post strongly suggests

Jay Rick

Sep 19, 5:45pm

I know you’re just personally attacking me right now but I do have a question.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 5:58pm

He didn’t personally attack you, yet you’ve been rude to several people in this

garyfan

Sep 19, 6:04pm

I don’t care if people personally attack me. I wanted him to answer the question

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 6:21pm

RE: I don’t care if people personally attack me. I wanted him to answer

garyfan

Sep 19, 6:30pm

This you after you spend time with your kids?

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 6:47pm

RE: This you after you spend time with your kids?

garyfan

Sep 19, 7:08pm

Oh yeah if my kids looked like that I’d be at work all day too.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 7:32pm

I answered it. Below. And my only reference to diapers was in a list of things

Jay Rick

Sep 19, 6:55pm

You have an underlying tone of understanding you are getting away with

Big Daddy D

Sep 19, 10:13pm

I am getting away with stuff. I don’t have to small talk 15 people a day

SLC-Durham

7:38am

I have no idea if the average office worker puts in 3-4 hours of work per day.

Jay Rick

Sep 19, 6:07pm

I think he’s grasping at that as a way to make his point. I don’t think workers

pink22

Sep 19, 6:14pm

It’s called google

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 6:18pm

You're ridiculous if you think that employers actually expect every single minute worked to be productively used..

greatbam

Sep 19, 6:47pm

I am an employer, and I agree. But I don't expect employees to waste several

Jay Rick

Sep 19, 6:52pm

Lololol someone's a little sensitive

machete

Sep 19, 6:23pm

My neighbor did WFH for a RO (results only) company out of Lehi and

Lefty24

Sep 19, 6:23pm

Dang a lot of wfh police in this thread. Why is everyone out to catch slc-durham

palangi

12:57am

Because it’s the reason why companies are requiring people to come into the

Ojiisan

6:11am

If you have an employee not getting the job done then that’s not the answer

palangi

8:37am

Except that it is, in order to actually monitor and document the unproductivity.

valcorger

11:15am

Was it the 21 POTDs or the 89 thups that gave you the idea that

garyfan

7:29am

You’re right, it’s not everyone. Thanks for policing me too

palangi

8:41am

The least among us need the most policing.

garyfan

9:01am

Many people seem to have this weird anger about the whole thing and come apart

Mitty

10:25am

Nothing wrong with WFH, but that shouldn't give you or anyone else the license to cheat your employer out of time they

5:54am

I work outside working hours regularly, is that unethical of my employer?

SLC-Durham

7:53am

Sounds like that is a decision you are making or doing to make up for your fun time during the day.

8:39am

Nope emergencies happen. It is part of my job so I do it.

SLC-Durham

8:44am

What is strange about it? You work after hours because of emergencies? Great, congrats. Welcome to the real world.

8:49am

It sounds like you have a really nice setup. To be honest, it also sounds like you have a pretty cush job.

unctoothman

7:30am

If they're salaried and do their job well and are performing at or above

RockyBalboa

7:45am

Not every salary job is the same. Some, like mine, require tracking billable

8:08am

It's not so much a control thing I think, but rather an efficiency thing. And to be transparent, I'm speaking from the

unctoothman

8:18am

^^^This^^^

valcorger

8:25am

Expecting them to do more work is reasonable

RockyBalboa

9:03am

There is a good segment that do 2 or more wfh jobs.

bald man

8:06am

I understand that. And if it's contract work, I would as well. But if it's a salaried job, then you are being paid for

unctoothman

8:19am

That’s an interesting interpretation and I see your point given that but that’s

palangi

8:57am

Changing a kids diaper between workouts isn't a fair comparison. Missing half a day of workouts to change diapers

unctoothman

9:07am

This is a two edge sword, right? Company, you are salaried, you need to do this

bald man

10:35am

In my world we did...those that exceeded expectations were given raises, more

Fdnman

10:59am

Not everyone is ambitious. The church is a believer in promoting constant change

bald man

12:53pm

This is what I’ve been thinking. If you don’t have 8 hrs of work to do, a good

Jay Rick

11:13am

I have a friend who does this. He makes about 300-400k across both jobs.

Kolipoki

8:34am

It depends right? if you tell the employer it will take 40 hrs to do knowing

bald man

10:38am

Sounds lazy - “Sleep is for the weak and family time is for the soft.”

kalifi

8:54am

And im case he tries to go back and edit it...

unctoothman

9:09am

Sarcasm my guy. Maybe read the thread before you think you owned me.

SLC-Durham

10:14am

That sounds like some heavy sarcasm there...

BYUFootballisBack

9:15am

RE: That sounds like some heavy sarcasm there...

kalifi

9:17am

Well said. WFH is a MASSIVE net gain for society in about 55 ways.

Mitty

10:07am

One bit of warning....for those in the accounting/legal field that track hours

Fdnman

10:10am

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