Not every salary job is the same. Some, like mine, require tracking billable

Sep 20, 2024
8:08:43am

NorthernLight All-American

hours that we then bill our clients. People doing what the OP describes aren’t just stealing from the employer, but also our clients.

Now, if they were making up those lost hours in the evenings or at other times, then all is well.

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NorthernLight

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Working from home has been one of my biggest blessings of my life

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 11:09am

I work in the office but I have the flexibility to never miss any of my kids

BYUheaven

Sep 19, 11:13am

Yep I work in office 100%. My office is 4 minutes from home and 2 minutes from

cougarfann888

Sep 19, 11:18am

Most jobs should have a way of measuring output.

Madam Pattirini

Sep 19, 11:14am

It really depends on the job. I believe most jobs benefit from being in office

cougarfann888

Sep 19, 11:15am

I'm guessing you've never worked for the government.

greatbam

Sep 19, 3:39pm

I worked for the government for a long time as a prosecutor and everything

cougarfann888

Sep 19, 3:45pm

I guess I could understand that for your field but being in IT sadly can't say that I've really learned that much from..

greatbam

Sep 19, 4:02pm

For IT, programmers, you only really learn from code reviews, or if you hit

bald man

6:07am

What's this on "obvious incentives to keep workers in a space other than homes"?

All-American

Sep 19, 11:16am

like energy companies, cities economies based around huge workforce.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 11:18am

Commercial real estate needs companies to rent their buildings, WFH cuts profits

BYUFootballisBack

Sep 19, 11:18am

Ok but why would individual companies care about that? If they could save money

cougarfann888

Sep 19, 11:21am

They dont he said the push back is coming from the commercial real estate people

BYUFootballisBack

Sep 19, 11:23am

Exactly. One firm's profits are another's expenses.

All-American

Sep 19, 11:23am

Because individual companies are still paying for the offices they are leasing.

ochobeeguy

Sep 19, 11:27am

paying for the building, heating, cooling, water, etc

LeonMarek

Sep 19, 11:28am

And will do so whether the employee shows up or not. So why does it matter?

All-American

Sep 19, 11:35am

And these are massive companies with all of the data in the world to calculate t

Jay Rick

Sep 19, 5:49pm

Many companies have spent and extraordinary amount of money on prime real estate

VACOUGFAN

Sep 19, 11:20am

but that's just a sunk cost fallacy, and I doubt large companies like meta are

Jay Rick

Sep 19, 5:53pm

Maybe not Zuk but there are plenty of middle managers sad to see empty offices.

VACOUGFAN

Sep 19, 6:50pm

You don't believe big companies can have illogical, dumb management?

Mitty

10:10am

So you were inefficient in the office and you are no less efficient at home. Congrats. Nobody here is going to tell you

supertux

Sep 19, 11:18am

I have worked in an office for 10 years and have multiple degrees.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 12:02pm

umad bro?

Cougarclaw

Sep 19, 12:24pm

He did post the ultimate whine thread.

Sid Vicious

Sep 19, 2:15pm

Oh the old boomer burn. So dang burnful

Big Daddy D

Sep 19, 10:04pm

Geez, painted a picture of yourself.

MotorCityCoug

8:06am

RE: Geez, painted a picture of yourself.

garyfan

8:09am

RE: Geez, painted a picture of yourself.

valcorger

8:17am

Dumb, unproductive, cynical comment.

Mitty

10:11am

Same for me. Way more productive and I'm able to help out my wife a lot more.

royal_blue

Sep 19, 11:18am

CPA firm...works ok for line folks kicking out returns. It is really bad for

Fdnman

Sep 19, 11:21am

Same situation, and I love it! But I do struggle with efficiency.

Tiburon

Sep 19, 11:21am

yeah, but it has got to cause more stress on your parents.

Longseason

Sep 19, 11:23am

You're commuting 9-10 hours per day?

2FarGone

Sep 19, 11:23am

Weird they keep giving me promotions.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 11:51am

And either Trump or Kamala is going to be president of the USA. Doesn't mean

BYUMizzou

Sep 19, 12:47pm

I give people promotions all the time that I end up firing.

2FarGone

Sep 19, 1:03pm

weird flex but ok. Maybe get better

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 1:06pm

not a flex at all

2FarGone

Sep 19, 1:10pm

Ironic comment

jdub

10:01am

Amen. Same. Except for the diaper changing part as my kids are past that.

RockyBalboa

Sep 19, 11:23am

I like working at home. I like working in the office. I HAAATE commuting

Clark Addison

Sep 19, 11:24am

Working in the office is more fun if it's not busy.

Belboz

Sep 19, 11:34am

This is correct

WDaddy

Sep 19, 12:22pm

Yep, the big problem for me is the commute. 2 to 3 hours wasted each day.

Breaded Hamster

Sep 19, 4:20pm

Working just 4 days a week, soon to be 3 days and 1 day for only virtual visits

Zoobieman

Sep 19, 11:32am

Hard to be a work from home dentist. Guess I'll be that "disappear all day, eat dinner, and say goodnight" dad.

byujacob

Sep 19, 11:40am

Bro, just use video chat

OldFogey

Sep 19, 11:49am

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byujacob

Sep 19, 12:10pm

Yeah but dentists also only work like 3 days a week so it balances out.

Mike Honcho

Sep 19, 12:33pm

Maybe one day. I know you're not a surgeon but who knows maybe one day remote dentistry?

greatbam

Sep 19, 3:48pm

Happy for you! All depends on the type of work you have and who you work for.

CougaRR4L

Sep 19, 11:41am

9-10 hrs daily commute? I guess boardname really checks out.

ordinary tri guy

Sep 19, 11:54am

My son has stomach flu today. I’m grateful to leave and be at work for that.

Magneto

Sep 19, 11:54am

I'm interested in the math that you need DOUBLE to work from an office. I

ChinaFan

Sep 19, 11:57am

Hes saying he values his current situation and it would take double to leave it

BYUFootballisBack

Sep 19, 11:59am

but he inferred that he couldn't afford to do anything else, which probably is a

ChinaFan

Sep 19, 12:06pm

Did not infer that.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 12:10pm

Ill take hybrid. Everyday in the office sucks. Everyday at home also sucks

machete

Sep 19, 11:59am

I WFH for 8 years but also with travel. It was a huge blessing.

gangbusters

Sep 19, 12:01pm

The biggest issue with WFH

kapcreations

Sep 19, 12:13pm

That’s great but you are making a great case for how WFH is less productive for

garyfan

Sep 19, 12:15pm

Research has shown office workers work 2 hours and 23 min a day.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 12:32pm

Cool. If that stat is your benchmark, then change all the diapers you want.

garyfan

Sep 19, 1:01pm

What research if I may ask?

DJROSS

Sep 19, 1:28pm

Research on companies that are going to lay off people who only work a few hours

Ojiisan

Sep 19, 5:50pm

AMEN! Remove commute, lunches, etc. I'm WFH 12+ yrs & way more productive

Bar_None

Sep 19, 12:19pm

I couldn't do WFH, period. I need the separation. And I love my family dearly.

Adwight

Sep 19, 12:23pm

Sounds like your work isn’t getting 100% of you if you’re driving to school and

pink22

Sep 19, 12:32pm

Google how many hrs the average office worker actually works.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 12:36pm

It’s just crazy to me that you’re so brazenly admitting to not working during

Forest Green

Sep 19, 12:46pm

I never said I work 2-3 hours a day. So hold your outrage.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 1:00pm

It sure sounds like you’re happily comparing yourself to these 2-3 hr guys.

Forest Green

Sep 19, 1:18pm

I am happy to compare myself to them because I work a lot more.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 2:05pm

RE: It’s just crazy to me that you’re so brazenly admitting to not working

SausageKing

Sep 19, 4:55pm

I’m not saying office people don’t waste time. But if I work down the hall and

pink22

Sep 19, 12:49pm

Basically your argument is that you're justified in stealing time from your

BYUMizzou

Sep 19, 12:49pm

I do not get paid by the hour. I am not stealing anything.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 12:54pm

RE: I do not get paid by the hour. I am not stealing anything.

garyfan

Sep 19, 1:07pm

So one week last year you worked a 70-hour week, and all of the other weeks were

MHallDidNothingWr0ng

Sep 19, 10:25pm

I'm not sure what you are saying here

Northwest Cougar

Sep 19, 1:00pm

No I have skills and experience that people value.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 1:03pm

I think you need to do more work before considering yourself an expert on WFH

garyfan

Sep 19, 1:09pm

says the guy with 40k CB posts. Get to work lazy bones.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 1:12pm

RE: says the guy with 40k CB posts. Get to work lazy bones.

garyfan

Sep 19, 1:16pm

Maybe if you in office guys weren't on CB all day you'd get something done

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 1:18pm

You make lots of unfounded assumptions when your ideas are challenged.

garyfan

Sep 19, 1:26pm

Yeah I assumed you made all your posts is that wrong?

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 1:46pm

I’m starting to wonder if some employers allow WFH because they don’t want

garyfan

Sep 19, 2:21pm

Pretty sure most of us here could change a diaper and play with kids.

JohnnyComeLately

Sep 19, 1:21pm

It sounds like you could do the job of two people, and then your employer could

Jay Rick

Sep 19, 5:27pm

My job just started requiring us to come into the office every other week…

provoprodigy

Sep 19, 1:05pm

sounds like you don't do much "work" either at home or in office

bald man

Sep 19, 1:28pm

People with hair get more done in shorter periods of time.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 1:57pm

what cheeky thing to say.

bald man

6:19am

I just left a company I was at for 14 months.

whirl

Sep 19, 1:33pm

That's a separate discussion than the OP though. That company you worked for

BYUMizzou

Sep 19, 2:02pm

I agree with a lot of your post but for the sake of discussion — Dad’s being overly saturated in children’s lives is

Zach Morris

Sep 19, 1:33pm

Amen and amen. I’ll never go back to full time in office. Need that flexibility

Lefty24

Sep 19, 2:23pm

Wonder how many wives and possibly kids are like “Dad is around way too much”

pink22

Sep 19, 4:00pm

lol full transparency sometimes too many cooks in the kitchen can be

Lefty24

Sep 19, 6:20pm

Why not just work from India?

Pasadena

Sep 19, 2:52pm

You sound like a guy who was recently a co-worker of mine. We'd been on a small team working remote for the past..

greatbam

Sep 19, 4:09pm

WFH is like taking a posting overseas. Out of sight really often means out of

bald man

6:27am

That sounds great for you, but why should your employer pay you to "take your

Jay Rick

Sep 19, 5:30pm

They choose to because i do my job. Strange concept.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 5:37pm

You don't take 45 seconds to change a diaper. Your own post strongly suggests

Jay Rick

Sep 19, 5:45pm

I know you’re just personally attacking me right now but I do have a question.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 5:58pm

He didn’t personally attack you, yet you’ve been rude to several people in this

garyfan

Sep 19, 6:04pm

I don’t care if people personally attack me. I wanted him to answer the question

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 6:21pm

RE: I don’t care if people personally attack me. I wanted him to answer

garyfan

Sep 19, 6:30pm

This you after you spend time with your kids?

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 6:47pm

RE: This you after you spend time with your kids?

garyfan

Sep 19, 7:08pm

Oh yeah if my kids looked like that I’d be at work all day too.

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 7:32pm

I answered it. Below. And my only reference to diapers was in a list of things

Jay Rick

Sep 19, 6:55pm

You have an underlying tone of understanding you are getting away with

Big Daddy D

Sep 19, 10:13pm

I am getting away with stuff. I don’t have to small talk 15 people a day

SLC-Durham

7:38am

I have no idea if the average office worker puts in 3-4 hours of work per day.

Jay Rick

Sep 19, 6:07pm

I think he’s grasping at that as a way to make his point. I don’t think workers

pink22

Sep 19, 6:14pm

It’s called google

SLC-Durham

Sep 19, 6:18pm

You're ridiculous if you think that employers actually expect every single minute worked to be productively used..

greatbam

Sep 19, 6:47pm

I am an employer, and I agree. But I don't expect employees to waste several

Jay Rick

Sep 19, 6:52pm

Lololol someone's a little sensitive

machete

Sep 19, 6:23pm

My neighbor did WFH for a RO (results only) company out of Lehi and

Lefty24

Sep 19, 6:23pm

Dang a lot of wfh police in this thread. Why is everyone out to catch slc-durham

palangi

12:57am

Because it’s the reason why companies are requiring people to come into the

Ojiisan

6:11am

If you have an employee not getting the job done then that’s not the answer

palangi

8:37am

Except that it is, in order to actually monitor and document the unproductivity.

valcorger

11:15am

Was it the 21 POTDs or the 89 thups that gave you the idea that

garyfan

7:29am

You’re right, it’s not everyone. Thanks for policing me too

palangi

8:41am

The least among us need the most policing.

garyfan

9:01am

Many people seem to have this weird anger about the whole thing and come apart

Mitty

10:25am

Nothing wrong with WFH, but that shouldn't give you or anyone else the license to cheat your employer out of time they

TheLoneCougar

5:54am

I work outside working hours regularly, is that unethical of my employer?

SLC-Durham

7:53am

Sounds like that is a decision you are making or doing to make up for your fun time during the day.

TheLoneCougar

8:39am

Nope emergencies happen. It is part of my job so I do it.

SLC-Durham

8:44am

What is strange about it? You work after hours because of emergencies? Great, congrats. Welcome to the real world.

TheLoneCougar

8:49am

It sounds like you have a really nice setup. To be honest, it also sounds like you have a pretty cush job.

unctoothman

7:30am

If they're salaried and do their job well and are performing at or above

RockyBalboa

7:45am

Not every salary job is the same. Some, like mine, require tracking billable

NorthernLight

8:08am

It's not so much a control thing I think, but rather an efficiency thing. And to be transparent, I'm speaking from the

unctoothman

8:18am

^^^This^^^

valcorger

8:25am

Expecting them to do more work is reasonable

RockyBalboa

9:03am

There is a good segment that do 2 or more wfh jobs.

bald man

8:06am

I understand that. And if it's contract work, I would as well. But if it's a salaried job, then you are being paid for

unctoothman

8:19am

That’s an interesting interpretation and I see your point given that but that’s

palangi

8:57am

Changing a kids diaper between workouts isn't a fair comparison. Missing half a day of workouts to change diapers

unctoothman

9:07am

This is a two edge sword, right? Company, you are salaried, you need to do this

bald man

10:35am

In my world we did...those that exceeded expectations were given raises, more

Fdnman

10:59am

This is what I’ve been thinking. If you don’t have 8 hrs of work to do, a good

Jay Rick

11:13am

I have a friend who does this. He makes about 300-400k across both jobs.

Kolipoki

8:34am

It depends right? if you tell the employer it will take 40 hrs to do knowing

bald man

10:38am

Sounds lazy - “Sleep is for the weak and family time is for the soft.”

kalifi

8:54am

And im case he tries to go back and edit it...

unctoothman

9:09am

Sarcasm my guy. Maybe read the thread before you think you owned me.

SLC-Durham

10:14am

That sounds like some heavy sarcasm there...

BYUFootballisBack

9:15am

RE: That sounds like some heavy sarcasm there...

kalifi

9:17am

Well said. WFH is a MASSIVE net gain for society in about 55 ways.

Mitty

10:07am

One bit of warning....for those in the accounting/legal field that track hours

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