And what does "good person" or "good family" even mean in this context?

Seriously, though.

DirtyWater

Dec 19, 5:41pm

Relative of Kem Gardner?

Socrates Johnson

Dec 19, 5:44pm

Grandson. The bottle was thrown from Kem's box.

HarlemCoug

Dec 19, 5:45pm

Is the kid Christian Gardner's son?

cosmohio

Dec 19, 6:06pm

No. The article says that the kid's father Andrew turned him in.

Thrill

Dec 19, 6:47pm

OK, thx.

cosmohio

Dec 19, 7:18pm

Wonder what his institute's policy is on bottle chucking?

foofcoug

Dec 19, 5:46pm

Grandson. I know the family and they’re good people.

cougarblue

Dec 19, 5:51pm

Just made a mistake?

Plantagenet

Dec 19, 5:58pm

Adult (not kid) should be locked up for a long time.

HFF

Dec 19, 5:59pm

It won't do one bit of good to anyone if this kid spends even a day in jail.

HarlemCoug

Dec 19, 6:03pm

Yes it will. Kid needs to learn the consequences of outrageous behavior.

Threw and Through

Dec 19, 7:16pm

Pretty sure he's learned a lot by now. Best thing now would be some mercy and a

TailgateU

12:58am

He might have learned a lot but he broke the law and there are consequences for

Blue for Life

11:13am

Throwing him in prison for a felony doesn't help her. I'm not saying there

TailgateU

12:26pm

Exactly. Nobody is arguing there be no consequences.

Metallicat

12:32pm

Even a day???

C-dubb

Dec 19, 7:20pm

How does it help? What lesson would the kid learn that he hasn't already learned? What deterrent of future crime will

HarlemCoug

Dec 19, 8:00pm

Has the kid been bailed out before?

sfeuz

Dec 19, 8:01pm

No. First time offender who turned himself in.

HarlemCoug

Dec 19, 8:03pm

I thought his dad turned him in.

AltTabbins

Dec 19, 8:11pm

I don't understand your point. Are you implying the dad called without his son's permission? That didn't happen. The dad

HarlemCoug

Dec 19, 8:16pm

My point was the narrative being thrown around was the dad turned him in. It wasn't a loaded question. Thanks for

AltTabbins

Dec 19, 8:18pm

The point might be that the kid wouldn't have turned himself in if dad didn't.

ochobeeguy

Dec 19, 10:03pm

But even if Dad helped, it happened. Lots of kids improve with parental support

TailgateU

1:00am

Why do we keep talking about an 18 yo man as if he is some 15 yo kid? Not only

Emmett Fitz-Hume

4:53am

I dunno. seems like more 18 y/o act like 15 y/o;s these days...

niqmadu

6:30am

People aren't magically and arbitrarily a "man" at age 18 just because the govt

Saxa

7:05am

How many 18 year olds act like adults? It's an arbitrary number so allow voting

TailgateU

9:47am

At 18 I, and many, know it's incredible stupid to throw a water bottle into

CameronG

11:11am

Reminds me of a frozen turkey. I'd rather see mercy than throw the book at

TailgateU

11:28am

Letting the kid off with no consequences is worse

CameronG

11:37am

He's being charged with a felony. That ruins his life. I just think it should be

TailgateU

12:24pm

Most 18 year olds, heck most 8 year olds, know you can't fire a water bottle

CameronG

12:33pm

A misdemeanor and community service for a man from a family with those kinds of

Emmett Fitz-Hume

12:38pm

Most 15yr olds know that, too. But teenagers, including 18yr olds, are prone to

morningcalmcougar

1:56pm

Would you feel differently if he had whacked her upside the head with the water

CameronG

1:59pm

Fair question, and I would feel differently as that is a direct attack

morningcalmcougar

3:20pm

So your suggestion is no actual consequence?

BYU-Laie

12:23am

We don't know that he has learned any lesson from this.

Turn and Cough

10:10am

My question is, at 18 did he not know what those dangers were before?

Blue for Life

11:11am

What would you suggest as punishment, if any?

AltTabbins

Dec 19, 8:23pm

There will be a two pronged approach in going after him. Criminal and civil. On the criminal side a fine, community

HarlemCoug

Dec 19, 8:44pm

Kids from wealthy families usually don't worry much about the civil consequences

shakarocks

Dec 19, 8:57pm

This is a valid point. If it’s not his money, he really doesn’t face any

Lalau

Dec 19, 9:35pm

He'll bounce from petty offense to petty offense through life

Archaea

12:09pm

Are you kidding? How often have we seen examples of rich kids who never learn

CameronG

11:15am

IMO he won't be affected at all by the Civil Consequences. I would suspect

Blue for Life

11:21am

My father would have ripped the arm off of any child

Archaea

12:10pm

He should also be barred from admission to Utah University.

Archaea

12:08pm

Oh yes it will. A day in jail will do him some good.

BlueTroop

Dec 19, 9:02pm

Locked up? Come on now.

ChiCityCoug

Dec 19, 6:03pm

He likely altered the life of somebody just doing the thing she loved.

HFF

Dec 19, 6:09pm

I don’t see those two things as the same. But jail time doesn’t help.

ChiCityCoug

Dec 19, 6:31pm

Even if they are 18 and it is a one time event.

HFF

Dec 19, 6:35pm

It helps a lot. Soft-pedaling violent crime is what doesn't help.

Threw and Through

Dec 19, 7:17pm

I agree jail helps stop crime. But I don’t think jail time in this instance is

ChiCityCoug

Dec 19, 7:22pm

It seems the IRS every tax season throws the book at a high profile person.

dratax

Dec 19, 9:08pm

Most studies show that jail sentences do very little to deter crime. I'm not an

morningcalmcougar

2:05pm

And to be clear, crime needs to be punished. I live/work in Chicago and see 1st

morningcalmcougar

2:13pm

President Hinckley's story on forgiveness seems oddly specific to this situation

ImRonBurgundy?

Dec 19, 6:42pm

But the kid in Hinckley's story still did time. Whether or not he happens to

Threw and Through

Dec 19, 7:20pm

The kid in the story did a few more things than chuck a water bottle so it's

ImRonBurgundy?

Dec 19, 10:15pm

Jail time is fair.

SolidBlue

Dec 19, 10:52pm

Maybe. A lot of community service and a civil suit to cover medical bills

ImRonBurgundy?

Dec 19, 11:03pm

Comparing to dropping things on cars is ridiculous

Deleted

Dec 19, 10:06pm

How so? In both situation it is obvious what they are doing is going to hurt

HFF

Dec 19, 10:11pm

Not locked up for a violent crime? Come on now.

Threw and Through

Dec 19, 7:50pm

A plastic water bottle.

ChiCityCoug

Dec 19, 7:56pm

Give me a shot at someone with a water bottle and I can mess up their whole month.

AltTabbins

Dec 19, 8:12pm

Ok tough guy.

ChiCityCoug

Dec 19, 9:06pm

Lol what a clown comment

ColonelMustard

Dec 19, 8:52pm

Yeah, and is the death penalty too unreasonable? Yeesh. Let's not get carried away here. Aggravated assault seems

Bob Vance

Dec 19, 9:56pm

So many of you have no concept of how the criminal justice system works. OTOH,

Socrates Johnson

Dec 19, 11:51pm

Not if this was your kid

Jeremy

8:25am

Good things parents don't choose the consequences of their children's felonies

HFF

8:39am

I agree. Cause this guy would be a huge hypocrite.

Jeremy

1:08pm

Stop it.

Love Cougs

9:41am

No

HFF

11:06am

Yeah, you would't want

Snipe

Dec 19, 6:09pm

This is only a symptom of something already messed up- best thing

bjc

Dec 19, 6:25pm

This board sure loves to sweep ute missteps under the rug

Ojiisan

Dec 19, 7:00pm

Amen. He saw others throwing it and in the moment you don’t think a water bottle

ColonelMustard

Dec 19, 8:55pm

This is a Utah mob mentality problem. President, AD, Whit, Fans.

ParentingNotForSissy

Dec 19, 10:24pm

If they were "good people" they wouldn't be UofU fans, especially not invested

BYUtka

Dec 19, 9:18pm

Once you're 18, that's the problem with playing a stupid game. The prize is

Emmett Fitz-Hume

Dec 19, 10:53pm

We've never heard this story before

AlternateShot

Dec 19, 11:07pm

What about the cheer coach? Who was

1CougFan

6:23am

BYU banned a kid for life who rushed the field and "tackled" U male cheerleader

The Grrinch

8:28am

He's a Utah fan. His life is already screwed up.

Turn and Cough