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Sep 23, 2024
11:12:13am

Threw and Through 3rd String

Why does everyone forget that earlier this year, when Hill was still recovering,

Kalani personally ran the defense and produced the same results we're seeing now. And when Utah reached their greatest heights as a program in 2008, going undefeated and beating Bama in the Sugar Bowl, the DC there was Gary Anderson, who's currently a consultant on staff at BYU. Anderson was succeeded by Kalani Sitake. Hill is part of a triumvirate that are all doing great things together.

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Threw and Through

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What does Holmoe do if Hill becomes so good that he is getting

UNLVcougar

Sep 22, 11:38pm

Back up a brinks truck to get him to stay.

cougarfann888

Sep 22, 11:39pm

Kalani and Jay Hill are very close friends. And head coaches that are winning

Cougarbib

2:04am

so without Jay Hill, where would we be?

44C

6:24am

I think he gave Hill full credit

ALC

7:32am

It would not be 4-8. We have the 5-7 players with another year of

Cougarbib

9:06am

Without Hill there is no Jack Kelly

AZ Coug

2:21pm

I know. But, there would have been someone else.

Cougarbib

2:27pm

I love how people who don’t know anything about football makes such predictions

travelcoug

1:29pm

Operative word being “huge.”

Brisco

2:32pm

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Forzaitalia

2:08pm

Hope the heart attack was blessing in disguise, and Hill decides he does need

Forzaitalia

2:12pm

no, they would offer to pay him a lot of money to stay as DC

JOPE

Sep 22, 11:40pm

It will happen if we keep winning this year

TLCougar

Sep 22, 11:40pm

Hill is very particular about where he wants to live. He passed up offers at

Cougarbib

2:07am

Morgan Scalley is not going anywhere. The only risk is that Whit retires,

anonymous37

9:55am

I think the best hope is to pay him at or near HC compensation with a commitment

Jasbo

10:29am

My hope is that he doesn’t want to uproot the family. He’s reportedly making

Powerbait DPM

12:46pm

Agreed. Let's hope he doesn't take any coaches or players with him.

astroman

5:59am

Why are some so quick to give Hill all the credit? Kalani is the current head coach.

RdF3

Sep 22, 11:40pm

Because the defense was mostly inept until he became defensive coordinator

cougarfann888

Sep 22, 11:42pm

I think u might want to check rankings of offenses. Ours has been pretty

Cougarbib

2:09am

People love to blame Kalani when things are bad, then give him no credit if

Blueto

Sep 22, 11:42pm

True, but there is still a weakness on offense so until that looks solved the

SoBlueitHurts

2:59pm

Because Hill's impact was apparent from day one post Tuaki. Yes, Kalani snagged

jtm0001

Sep 22, 11:43pm

Hill was unimpressive year 1. Very impressive now.

Cougarbib

2:09am

I disagree that he was unimpressive. His results where unimpressive but he

cougsareforreal

5:05am

The extra year of experience would deliver huge returns regardless of who

Cougarbib

9:09am

nobody is impressive when you lack talent and you install a brand new system

6:54am

He failed in holding existing roster together and holding that recruiting class

Cougarbib

9:11am

If that’s your definition of failure I’ll take it. You don’t revamp a defense as bad as 2022 in one season.

Longhaul

10:02am

Actually, many do. Especially after a rebuilding season. They retain players,

Cougarbib

10:53am

This comment suggests you have no idea how bad it really was. Hill will prove to be what saves Kalani's job.

unctoothman

10:55am

Sure.

Cougarbib

10:56am

There were signs last year of the defense hustling, making plays

gopman

12:11pm

Kalani is still overseeing everything from recruiting to strength and

Polecat

10:00am

Plus Hill is LDS and was right up the road. It was a no-brainer to offer him.

BlueFever

11:05am

Not disparaging Sitake at all

TLCougar

Sep 22, 11:46pm

Maybe. And if he leaves we can start bragging about Kalani’s coaching tree

Cougarbib

2:13am

How many guys from Kalani's tree have left for a promotion?

CameronG

9:06am

Grimes got a better job at the time. This would be a 2nd one. And now that

Cougarbib

9:18am

Considering success really only counts if the guy goes elsewhere and thrives, then right now it's at 0. Which seems low

unctoothman

11:04am

Our recruiting is turning around, and recruits, even defensive recruits

JOPE

Sep 22, 11:46pm

It only took ks eight years to start recruiting almost good enough. Extend him!

here's to hoping

1:46am

Can you break down why you expected Kalani to recruit like a P4 without being

Polecat

10:35am

I didn't expect him to recruit like a P4.

here's to hoping

11:28am

I posted above that it’s highly plausible that Kalani utilized Ed Lamb’s style

Polecat

11:36am

And any KS defender will try to assign blame else where but give KS props for

here's to hoping

11:47am

Excuses. Money isn't the issue. It's lack of effort from the staff

gopman

12:13pm

BYU isn't putting any more money into the program than what they already had.

8:48am

U defeated your own argument. And boosters will be eating it up if the

Cougarbib

9:14am

Serious…. If you do not see the impact of Jay Hill, no need to try to explain

44C

6:27am

Where have you been the last 8 years?

gopman

7:10am

KS doesn't even understand the basics of how the game is played.

Mitty

10:01am

Just stop with nonsense like this.

HarlemCoug

10:05am

You should delete this.

ebv

10:20am

Why? Because you can't refute his point?

gopman

11:18am

Are you suggesting that your football team is paying a guy $4M/yr to coach and that guy doesn't even understand the

HarlemCoug

11:21am

Show me a video of Kalani breaking down film. Go on.

gopman

11:26am

lol some of these takes are nutso

cruiserhead

12:32pm

Kalani gets the credit for the Hill hire, just as he gets the blame for all the bad hires. However, the credit for the

unctoothman

11:07am

The Defense was Top 10 in 2020 just like the offense. Unfortunately, a bunch

Cougarbib

11:14am

Any 2020 stats count WRT national ranking are essentially meaningless. Esp for BYU. Holmoe did an incredible job of

unctoothman

11:29am

Regardless, the 2020 D was a very good defense and the offense was a

Cougarbib

11:58am

If we start having coaches leave because this is place leads to promotions, then we attract better talent

KingDave

Sep 22, 11:43pm

Let’s have a winning record in conference first

Reasonable1

12:00am

Retire. Make Kalani AD. Promote Jay Hill to HC

Dr MoBYU

12:00am

I actually think KS would be a really good AD. But he wouldn't make $4M/yr...

YankeeCoug

11:56am

Probably he’s set by now. I’d hope and he could ride off into the sunset.

Dr MoBYU

12:30pm

Why do people get their undies in a bunch worrying about dumb things they can't control?

ManicBlue

12:03am

You mean like football games that you aren't playing in?

cougarfann888

12:13am

You get your undies in a bunch over those too? Wow, I'll bet you can relly hit the high notes. How's your BP?

ManicBlue

12:29am

You mean like other poster’s posts?

10:12am

RE: What does Holmoe do if Hill becomes so good that he is getting head

12:28am

If you know Hill will make a significantly better HC and he is the main

maYbe

1:19am

Have them switch positions. 🙂

Lifer

3:51am

The hope would be that a) we keep Hill as DC & then b) Kalani realizes

gopman

7:03am

Bronco did not retire. He left for a bigger stage and was paid handsomely.

Cougarbib

9:16am

True. I also remember reading reports where he told Tom he took the

gopman

12:25pm

Sitake has had offers and if he wins 9 this season will get more offers. BYU

Cougarbib

2:30pm

How about the Dude just had a heart attack, we know nothing about his family situation with wife and kids and relatives

DJROSS

7:15am

Agree. Edwards was not highly paid and stayed until he was done coaching.

Cougarbib

9:19am

People are saying Kalani has no coaching tree if he goes then that is good

nbruin

7:39am

What happens next year when Scalley hires Hill as his DC?

CrimsonCardinal

7:55am

Then Hill would keep his spot as next BYU HC. Might even accelerate the timeline

Great38

8:51am

This is probably the correct answer.

CrimsonCardinal

11:15am

The days of u outbidding Y for coaches is now over.

Cougarbib

9:21am

This is absolutely true

coot20

9:54am

Why would he take that? I think BYU has better resources going forward and

jre85

11:03am

Why would he take a demotion?

SoBlueitHurts

2:57pm

My goodness, please edit your subject line.

JohnnyComeLately

7:58am

I saw the title of this and it was not what I thought it was going to be about

8:07am

Hill will get high paying offers. It’s gonna be a problem.

Idacoug

8:08am

How much will his recent health issue play into that?

tacocat

9:03am

Jay Hill has already been a HC and completely turned around a program that had

CameronG

9:13am

Sure, I don't dispute that. Just wondering how his recent health issue

tacocat

10:00am

It wouldn't affect any unless he was missing games

CameronG

12:16pm

You do what Utah did with their next head coach you keep him

KYU

8:36am

We lose Hill. The better Hill does, the more untouchable Sitake becomes.

8:45am

This is the truth.

shimmy

8:56am

Don't be afraid of success

refunder

9:08am

We just pay Hill more than Sitake.

Tasty Bacon

9:21am

It happens in the business and government world. Sales commission can be more

9:47am

That's what he SHOULD do, but probably won't, and we'll lose Hill.

Mitty

10:04am

Retire and let it be somebody else's problem.

JayOwen

10:50am

Kalani...

BYU Grounds

10:57am

Why does everyone forget that earlier this year, when Hill was still recovering,

Threw and Through

11:12am

I have been very critical of KS…he is extremely reliant on his assistant coaches

SoggyBB

12:26pm

We are going to lose Hill--sooner, rather than later. He will get a good head

Plantagenet

12:56pm

Kalani Sitake is accountable for BYU's record. For better or worse. Absurd to credit Hill for the wins, not losses.

roseyscenario

1:03pm

We lost the last 5 games of last season. Exactly zero of those losses are the fault of Hill for some reason. Apparently

HarlemCoug

1:05pm

Each is responsible for their job description. Hill is doing a great job.

Plantagenet

1:11pm

if this were true then Hill would be getting much more heat for 2023.

HarlemCoug

1:14pm

Central to Sitake's job description is that he attract brilliant, winning help. That's how LaVell won. That what all

roseyscenario

1:30pm

It’s a great problem to have!

Shawarma

2:03pm

Sitake is a good coach and Jake is BYU's best QB, by far. Not say Kalani is a great Coach. He's neither a Lavell nor a

roseyscenario

4:06pm

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