This exhibits the one of the worst styles of discussion on here.

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Apr 5, 2024
12:08:14pm

MarylandFan All-American

This exhibits the one of the worst styles of discussion on here.

Why even engage if you just dismiss everything? It seems that if one specific example is given, it's insufficient. If several are given with some general observations mixed in, you retreat to dismissing a single point claiming it's generic without addressing the others.

This is just the first exchange. We could talk about Sitake's gambling issue in games and how it has cost BYU Football victories. Or are you capable of discussing something you asked about?

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What is the source of the conviction that Kalani has “had enough time” and

Socrates Johnson

4/5/24 8:50am

Because it's the same issues year after year. He is who he is

TNT

4/5/24 8:54am

What are the same issues year after year?

ManicBlue

4/5/24 8:55am

Poor recruiting. Very poor DL play for 8 years. Keeping poor coaches too long

Idacoug

4/5/24 8:56am

"We need to look at the film." Yet team looks unprepared each week

TNT

4/5/24 8:58am

Yep. Preach.

Idacoug

4/5/24 8:59am

"Every week" is more than a bit of an exaggeration and certainly injuries,

basman

4/5/24 9:08am

Poor DL play for so many recruiting cycles is a key indictment

shammy

4/5/24 9:06am

Families of top players haven't trusted KS with their sons' careers

vegas guey

4/5/24 9:14am

Amen brother

TNT

4/5/24 9:32am

except for the many top players that did. look at all those guys in the NFL

FieroCoug

4/5/24 11:12am

Poor DL play traces back to one source, Tuiaki. That's been addressed. Recruiting is on the upswing especially

ManicBlue

4/5/24 9:23am

So it took a HC 8 years to figure that out? That’s a fireable offense. Anything

Idacoug

4/5/24 9:56am

8 years? Math issues much?

ManicBlue

4/5/24 10:06am

Idacoug isn't good at much on CB, except trolling

NYC and Japan

4/5/24 12:41pm

Only took Kalani 8 years to figure that out? 😂

Idacoug

4/5/24 5:42pm

I can recommend some good toys that teach kids how to count. 👍🙂

ManicBlue

4/5/24 6:20pm

You don't remember?

TNT

4/5/24 8:57am

C'mon that's just lazy.

ManicBlue

4/5/24 9:23am

No. You have a search function. Use it. TNT isn't going to keep typing it all ou

TNT

4/5/24 9:29am

Over 230,000 posts and now you have a problem typing something out? uh huh

ManicBlue

4/5/24 9:32am

Why? You wouldn't believe it anyway

TNT

4/5/24 9:33am

Why wouldn't I? Are they lies? I haven't been a Kalani apologist.

ManicBlue

4/5/24 9:39am

No. You and TNT see things differently. And that's fine

TNT

4/5/24 9:43am

I don't have a problem with that, but I have NO idea how you see things. So ...?

ManicBlue

4/5/24 9:45am

Well search for it. TNT = most lazy but you are giving him a run for his money

TNT

4/5/24 9:48am

Seriously? Easier for me to search your 233,000+ posts than to just give me your top 5 issues? smh

ManicBlue

4/5/24 9:57am

Just search "kalani coach" or similar on TNT's profile

MarylandFan

4/5/24 11:21am

Thanks, but those are all of the same generic crap. I asked him for specifics. Shouldn't be that hard.

ManicBlue

4/5/24 11:26am

They're specific observations. I'm thinking TNT sniffed this out before me.

MarylandFan

4/5/24 11:32am

Hahahaha that's what you call specific? Calling Kalani a lazy coach? smh Boardname definitely does not fit.

ManicBlue

4/5/24 11:53am

This exhibits the one of the worst styles of discussion on here.

MarylandFan

4/5/24 12:08pm

RE: This exhibits the one of the worst styles of discussion on here.

ManicBlue

4/5/24 12:18pm

You did it again.

MarylandFan

4/5/24 12:41pm

LOL ... smh. Evidently YOU didn't read past his headlines. I read them all. They are very superficial at best.

ManicBlue

4/5/24 2:06pm

Agreed. I don't think we have a common understanding of the word "specific"

MarylandFan

4/5/24 3:18pm

RE: Agreed. I don't think we have a common understanding of the word "specific"

ManicBlue

4/5/24 3:30pm

Of course, and I loved this gem.

MarylandFan

4/5/24 3:47pm

So you don't agree then? What's your plan? Oh right ... you don't have any ideas. Gotcha

ManicBlue

4/5/24 3:55pm

Coug has had some fantastic posts about this in the past

TNT

4/5/24 9:32am

Calling timeouts out of halftime or out of another timeout.

MarylandFan

4/5/24 9:23am

Could say the same thing about Kiffin and Sark. Yet they improved.

Socrates Johnson

4/5/24 8:57am

I disagree.

Idacoug

4/5/24 8:57am

This is simple revisionism. It just isn’t true.

Socrates Johnson

4/5/24 9:07am

No it is true

TNT

4/5/24 9:16am

Check MATE

gangbusters

4/5/24 9:20am

Now that's some really deep thinking; great analytical mind.

Jasbo

4/5/24 12:44pm

Oh TNT . SMH.

Polecat

10/29/24 2:14pm

8 years of the same stuff. He’s a great guy, not a great coach. It’s not hard to

Idacoug

4/5/24 8:56am

RE: 8 years of the same stuff. He’s a great guy, not a great coach. It’s not hard to

ManicBlue

4/5/24 8:56am

RE: 8 years of the same stuff. He’s a great guy, not a great coach.

Idacoug

4/5/24 8:57am

Arguing with Idacoug, a troll, is pointless

NYC and Japan

4/5/24 9:14am

I'd love to know if you'd be ok with him if we had double digit win seasons

Iki_Balam

4/5/24 11:29am

So… do you stick with a lovable loser forever just in case he gets it?

Longseason

4/5/24 8:57am

A lot of Byu fans have this attitude.

Idacoug

4/5/24 8:58am

All is well in Zion

TNT

4/5/24 8:59am

He’s no more a loser than Sark at this point in Sark’s career.

Socrates Johnson

4/5/24 9:16am

This take has already been considered and isn’t comparable to Sitake’s situation

Longseason

4/5/24 9:33am

In your mind, perhaps. Not in any reality.

Socrates Johnson

4/5/24 11:15am

RE: So… do you stick with a lovable loser forever just in case he gets it?

coventry94

4/5/24 9:32am

oh now you are using Broncoisms "Flywheel" Careful or you'll incur the wrath of the Anti-Broncoites

BYU Grounds

4/5/24 9:38am

I suppose if Sitake had a drinking problem

BlueFever

4/5/24 9:01am

Remember the mess that was the locker room several seasons ago?

TNT

4/5/24 9:02am

Yes, and that was another tell.

BlueFever

4/5/24 9:06am

I'll counter your Sarkisian and Kiffin examples.

JJCoug

4/5/24 9:02am

Kalani appears to have learned little from Whittingham

TNT

4/5/24 9:03am

Or is unwilling to implement it.

shammy

4/5/24 9:08am

Problem is they’ve been trying to implement KWhit’s style but BYU isn’t Utah

palangi

4/5/24 9:24am

You mean recruiting felons kicked off other teams?

ManicBlue

4/5/24 9:49am

Who did Saban learn from? How did he go from Kalani (@ MSU) to Saban the Great?

Socrates Johnson

4/5/24 9:08am

As I admitted, I don't know his story as well as the others.

JJCoug

4/5/24 9:15am

Kalani’s HC philosophy is similar to LaVell’s. Be a players coach. But that

Short_Changed

4/5/24 9:22am

I think I agree with this. Both are examples of how it isn’t the same problems

Socrates Johnson

4/5/24 9:24am

The best case that can be made is that you must move around to get better

Socrates Johnson

4/5/24 9:23am

So many CB'ers assume that we have (or should have) a Top 15 team every year

darkcoug

4/5/24 9:24am

Mediocre coach + HC + high academic standards = mediocre results.

Traveshamockery

4/5/24 9:07am

25% of his seasons are the two worst in 50+ years. He sucks at clock and timeout management, getting his team up for all

byuTX

4/5/24 9:13am

That doesn’t really answer the question. Why no chance of improvement

Socrates Johnson

4/5/24 9:15am

Nobody knows the future but you can infer using the power of sight/logic, not just watch the film and love one another

byuTX

4/5/24 9:26am

Sounds like same attitude that KS used to keep Tuiaki on staff far too long.

bluesloth

4/5/24 9:27am

That's just good comedy

TNT

4/5/24 9:34am

No chance of improvement? What is the threshold of number of years coached

BLT-Coug

4/5/24 9:40am

Are you ignoring the Gary Crowton Years? Not only were '02-'04 worse,

4/5/24 11:09am

Not to mention that he almost literally killed the football program.

ManicBlue

4/5/24 11:13am

Gary didn't, some stupid players, a remorseful girl and some ALUFs did.

BYU Grounds

4/5/24 12:34pm

Falls back on Crowton because he recruited those guys and obviously didn't impress upon them the importance of

ManicBlue

4/5/24 3:00pm

2017 was worse. Our offense last year was worse. 2024 has the potential to be a 3 win season because of KS and co

byuTX

4/5/24 6:30pm

How long should a school hang on to a coach just because there are a few

bluesloth

4/5/24 9:15am

Depends on what its options are and how much it believes in the chances

Socrates Johnson

4/5/24 9:30am

My counter argument: You saw a drive and strong will to win with those other

mudpupper

4/5/24 9:19am

Sark & Lane have moved around a LOT

4/5/24 9:21am

Like I said, that’s probably the best argument there is

Socrates Johnson

4/5/24 9:31am

No. It's called passion to improve and be better than you currently are

TNT

4/5/24 9:35am

Since being hired Kalani has made a lot of changes. A lot a lot. You aren't

Socrates Johnson

4/5/24 11:44am

kalani is a great face for the program. He has an average to good OC and had a lousy DC. He has supposedly upgraded the

BYU Grounds

4/5/24 9:34am

Kalani doesn't seem to improve unless he's forced to improve.

greatbam

4/5/24 9:46am

TNT is pretty certain Holmoe forced Kalani to address the Tuaiki situation

TNT

4/5/24 9:48am

Has Saban, Kiffin, or Sark EVER gone for it on 4th and 19 from their own 5?

UMWolverine

4/5/24 11:50am

TLDR: Socrates is ok with bad coaching because “he might become good”

Grock

4/5/24 12:28pm

So let me get this straight, you want to stay with a person, any person really

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 12:36pm

I merely asked for evidence of the contrary view. I didn’t say there is no limit

Socrates Johnson

4/5/24 2:00pm

Your argument is 100% a strawman argument and that is your response? Good

kimdaddy35

4/5/24 2:07pm

What are you talking about? I didn't make an argument. I asked why people are so

Socrates Johnson

4/5/24 4:02pm

If your best argument for keeping Kalani is he MIGHT get better, then his resume

ldssdl

4/5/24 2:56pm

RE: If your best argument for keeping Kalani is he MIGHT get better, then his resume

ManicBlue

4/5/24 3:02pm

That wasn't his argument at all. He was merely asking a question which nobody can adequately answer.

4/5/24 3:04pm

Not assessing Kalani specifically...but the existence of exceptions doesn't make everything an exception

krindorr

4/5/24 11:01pm

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