I personally don't spend any time pondering this, but understand many do. I'm

Nov 2, 2021
12:36:18pm

OldFogey Starter

happy with 7-2 even if that includes a 35 point quarter. I've been around too long to lose sleep over stats that don't focus on the fact that we won, and part of that was due to defensive adjustments made at the half.

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OldFogey

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For anyone who is still pro Tuiaki - why?

Geldir

11/1/21 9:34am

Kalani says we should respect him more?

Hoopster

11/1/21 9:36am

He does great with the talent he has. Look at the last two years

Lesgo Brandon

11/1/21 9:36am

These are our kids...they chose BYU...Develope them, coach them...

Traveller 1968

11/1/21 9:42am

I don't know the statistics,but from my observations BYU is great on 1st and 2nd

Geldir

11/1/21 9:42am

Miracle worker? You serious?

Ned Schneebly

11/1/21 2:15pm

I wish our recruiters would get him better talent

1984coug

11/1/21 3:20pm

RE: For anyone who is still pro Tuiaki - why?

BYUheaven

11/1/21 9:36am

Because I have no idea what I'm talking about, so I support those who do

Hotlanta

11/1/21 9:36am

I hate watching our D philosophy, but we are 7-2 and the D has lost 1 game (2 if you include UVa. The O won that one).

Turnpike Lane

11/1/21 9:37am

Brady Poppinga says he’s doing a good job

Run-DMT

11/1/21 9:38am

Prototypical genius right there, man

Accipiter

11/1/21 9:42am

I disagree with some Poppinga sometimes, but MAN he is fun to listen to.

Geldir

11/1/21 9:43am

Not Pro Tuiaki but hesitant to rush to judgement

compcoug

11/1/21 9:39am

Thumbs up on the "terrible tackling" part. Far too often, we stink at that.

BleedCougarBlue2

11/1/21 12:29pm

I am. Here's why.

Blueto

11/1/21 9:40am

Do you think another reason the D has regressed from last year is SOS?

YSMACK

11/1/21 9:41am

We were top 10 in DFEI, which factors in strength of schedule.

Blueto

11/1/21 9:42am

It tries to. The problem is it is difficult to adjust for SOS when talking about one side of the ball.

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 9:46am

Signed - 35 pts in one quarter.

BleedCougarBlue2

11/1/21 12:29pm

One other thing. I really liked what I saw from the first 2-3 games this season

Captain Rex

11/1/21 3:04pm

Maybe the younger, inexperienced, less talented people aren't good at doing

Lesgo Brandon

11/1/21 4:01pm

We're 7-2 with 5 wins over P5 teams. We're missing key starters from

Jesse Pinkman

11/1/21 9:41am

18-3. And, we've seen glimpses of what the D can look like when 1s are healthy.

CalGTR

11/1/21 9:42am

This. 18-3

DiamondMo

11/1/21 12:55pm

Winning games.

Ted Lasso

11/1/21 9:42am

The critics say that he doesn't make adjustments and then bury their head in the sand when it comes to games like

IceBlueCoug

11/1/21 9:43am

Because he's doing a better job at winning against stronger competition than BYU ever has.

kccougar

11/1/21 9:44am

So all he needs to be a good defensive coordinator is a transcendent offense

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 9:47am

I wasn't aware we had shown to be a transcendent offense until last night.

kccougar

11/1/21 9:51am

We were ranked 17th in the country. That is really, really good.

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 10:03am

RE: We were ranked 17th in the country. That is really, really good.

imdocrob

11/1/21 2:24pm

We were talking about the offense, not sure your point

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 2:34pm

RE: We were talking about the offense, not sure your point

imdocrob

11/1/21 4:56pm

If your sample includes only the UVA game, then sure.

Jesse Pinkman

11/1/21 9:53am

Going into the game we had the 17th best offense and the 68th best defense. Those numbers will only

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 10:04am

By what measurement? Our total offense is at #37 AFTER the UVA game

Jesse Pinkman

11/1/21 10:15am

Please tell me you aren't going off of yards per game as your metric. You realize that Tuiaki's defense limits

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 10:26am

So what's the answer to my question? What measurement had us at #17 offense?

Jesse Pinkman

11/1/21 10:37am

FEI

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 10:47am

Scoring points are all that matter, and here are the stats after Saturday:

MantisTobaggan

11/1/21 4:48pm

And give up less than 100 yards per game...

ochobeeguy

11/1/21 4:07pm

I don't like the way the question is framed. I'm pro-Tuiaki in that I want to see BYU and Tuiaki succeed. But I would

Unibro

11/1/21 9:49am

I support Tuiaki. Frankly, a lot of the criticism thrown his way comes from

SJS

11/1/21 9:56am

But... he doesn't limit points. He limits posessions. They still score at will

Geldir

11/1/21 10:14am

Why should someone's job security be based on your unrealistic expectations?

Byron McNertney

11/1/21 10:25am

why is it unrealistic to expect better performance on scoring per possession

Deleted

11/1/21 10:26am

Because BYU is not Alabama. Based on recruiting and opponents, expecting BYU's

Byron McNertney

11/1/21 10:57am

alabama is a long ways away from 70th. many common opponents didnt have the same ease of drive vs other teams

Deleted

11/1/21 11:05am

BYU is near 70th in recruiting and most opponent offenses have been 100% P5

Byron McNertney

11/1/21 11:38am

This exactly

BYU313

11/1/21 1:58pm

So if BYU scores more points, then why would this matter?

OldFogey

11/1/21 1:15pm

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cougargollum

11/1/21 1:43pm

As noted above PPG isn’t a good metric to evaluate… points per drive is better….

kotacoug

11/1/21 10:21am

70th right now with our strength of schedule and lack of depth and talent on the

Lesgo Brandon

11/1/21 10:39am

Our strength of schedule is ranked #50 so I’m not sure if we can use that in

kotacoug

11/1/21 10:49am

Yep. Sitake and Tuiaki know more about defense and these players than any CBer.

Byron McNertney

11/1/21 10:23am

IMO thats a dumb argument, basically saying no fans can ever criticize any coordinator. some are bad. So does howell. do

Deleted

11/1/21 10:27am

You can criticize all you want, but when all is said and done, I'm going to give

Byron McNertney

11/1/21 10:39am

Fans can of course criticize, but other fans can also make fun of these fans 🙂

Lesgo Brandon

11/1/21 10:39am

RE: Fans can of course criticize, but other fans can also make fun of these fans

SJS

11/1/21 10:59am

I’m pretty confident that Bronco Mendenhall knows more about defense than all

SJS

11/1/21 11:01am

I am sure lots of fired coordinators or HCs know more and still are fired and their replacements do better

Deleted

11/1/21 11:11am

Problem is even when we blitz we don't get home. It's a personnel issue after

CalGTR

11/1/21 12:13pm

Problem is we don't disguise blitzes or any other defenses that we run.

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 12:16pm

Sure, we’re winning games, but what about points per possession? -kota probably

SJS

11/1/21 1:13pm

He is paid a lot of money (more than most of us) and has a lot more experience

ImuaKahuku

11/1/21 1:08pm

RE: I support Tuiaki. Frankly, a lot of the criticism thrown his way comes from

imdocrob

11/1/21 2:29pm

RE: I support Tuiaki. Frankly, a lot of the criticism thrown his way comes from

imdocrob

11/1/21 2:33pm

Because he is still learning. He is basically brand new at his job. Give him

rockhound

11/1/21 10:12am

is this a joke? hes been there since 2016

Deleted

11/1/21 10:28am

That'd be news to Bronco

Blueto

11/1/21 10:31am

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Deleted

11/1/21 10:32am

No joke. I'm better at my job than I was five years ago.

rockhound

11/1/21 1:15pm

That doesn't help your point. He is pretty much the same.

Geldir

11/1/21 3:13pm

This isn't year 6 for him?

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 10:28am

as a relative ignoramus (to the coaches not to CB) it seems one of the

yahtzee

11/1/21 10:30am

You play to win the game even when that means it's a risk adverse style on D

Lesgo Brandon

11/1/21 10:41am

He's Sitake's buddy--keep Kalani happy. Plus, don't think that KS doesn't weigh

Parker Schnabel

11/1/21 10:32am

That Oregon St D was....well... I won't go there

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 10:50am

Horrible? Yup.

Parker Schnabel

11/1/21 1:45pm

Are you serious??? We are 17th in the country and 7-2 with the toughest

kosmokramer

11/1/21 12:29pm

Because he has held 5 teams to 20 points or less which is a kind of magic…

Silvex

11/1/21 1:00pm

Our offense held them that low. Those teams were mostly more efficint against us

Geldir

11/1/21 3:17pm

I love Tuiaki. We're 18-3 in last 21 games. Ranked almost entire time. Wake up!

gocougs719

11/1/21 1:23pm

Reasons Tuiaki should go:

Horacio Caine

11/1/21 1:45pm

"Well, imagine our record if we didn’t have the 80th or worse defense" Nonsense.

Silvex

11/1/21 1:58pm

Since hes been here. We didn’t need to lose to Baylor because they were favored

Horacio Caine

11/1/21 2:15pm

We didn't need to lose, but you can't hang the L on the defense. Everyone...

Silvex

11/1/21 3:28pm

Forget Baylor. This isn’t about Baylor. It’s about our D sucking for 6 years

Horacio Caine

11/1/21 5:46pm

So tell me, coach, what percentage of plays against UVA were "drop 8". My guess

airwolf

11/1/21 2:14pm

That analysis has already been done here for several games and shows the trends

Horacio Caine

11/1/21 2:17pm

Which trend? The trend of winning football games?

airwolf

11/1/21 2:56pm

You must have meant the trend of the 80th ranked defense.

Horacio Caine

11/1/21 3:07pm

I just happen to agree with A-Rod, final score is all that matters.

airwolf

11/1/21 4:33pm

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Horacio Caine

11/1/21 5:44pm

What do you think of the responses to your question so far. I have question for you: what was your assessment of our

CLCougar

11/1/21 1:49pm

One thing I love about Bronco that many have forgotten...

Horacio Caine

11/1/21 1:53pm

Yeah, I'm surprised we don't play more 3-4

Parker Schnabel

11/1/21 2:07pm

His 3 3 5 was also very good- he just realized he had the talent to go 3-4

1984coug

11/1/21 3:22pm

Wasn't all that great for byu as we don't have an oversupply of DB' compared

Parker Schnabel

11/1/21 5:01pm

His 3-3-5 at BYU was not good at all. It’s what precipitated the need to change.

Horacio Caine

11/1/21 5:47pm

Tuiaki and I differ in defensive strategy. But he has coached and I havent.

SportsRoad

11/1/21 1:59pm

Sitake is tired of people questioning Tuiaki. From DesNews/Jay Drew:

OldFogey

11/1/21 2:35pm

Kalanis loyalty to IT will get eventually get him canned- he can only protect

1984coug

11/1/21 3:26pm

I don't agree with your take, but see why you say it

OldFogey

11/1/21 3:54pm

18-3. Wins over P5 teams. Wins over P5 teams with winning records. Solid DB

HONOMO

11/1/21 2:39pm

RE: For anyone who is still pro Tuiaki - why?

drdukejones

11/1/21 2:53pm

I'm glad you asked. We haven't discussed this enough

deljdc

11/1/21 2:55pm

The team is 7-2. No one on CB thought this would be the case. So, he’s doing

Mathew

11/1/21 3:08pm

BYU just jumped 8 spots in the AP poll. Kalani says Tuiaki was a big part of

cougargollum

11/1/21 3:26pm

Great points. Those wanting Tuiakis head are in essence calling Kalani a liar or too blinded by friendship to be truste

CLCougar

11/1/21 3:47pm

And that blunder was clearly on the offense and special teams.

Silvex

11/1/21 3:49pm

because we require much better evidence than the garbage haters accept/provide

Rodolpho

11/1/21 3:59pm

How about (with the exception of UVA) holding good teams to an average 19.4 pts.

Jasbo

11/1/21 4:03pm

Because literally every stat you used is skewed. You couldn't be more off.

Geldir

11/2/21 8:32am

The numbers aren't skewed, they are facts. BYU won on Saturday, too, ftr

OldFogey

11/2/21 9:53am

Right. But they are being used to draw inaccurate conclusions.

Geldir

11/2/21 11:27am

There's nothing inaccurate about 7-2 & avg pts allowed, bro. It was a rough

OldFogey

11/2/21 11:41am

Actually average points allowed is VERY misleading.

Geldir

11/2/21 12:02pm

I personally don't spend any time pondering this, but understand many do. I'm

OldFogey

11/2/21 12:36pm

Because he doesn't influence the game nearly as much as those who hate him think

ochobeeguy

11/1/21 4:05pm

Because this is high-level college football, not Remember the Titans

Gorgias

11/1/21 4:36pm

I have said this before. Many of the “pro tuiaki” people on here are less

Cougzilla

11/1/21 5:41pm

I can't believe anyone would want to fire Tuiaki right now. Here's why

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