His 3-3-5 at BYU was not good at all. It’s what precipitated the need to change.

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Nov 1, 2021
5:47:54pm

Horacio Caine Starter

His 3-3-5 at BYU was not good at all. It’s what precipitated the need to change.

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Horacio Caine

Previous username: ExCougar
Bio page: Horacio Caine
Joined: Apr 12, 2007
Last login: Dec 26, 2022
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For anyone who is still pro Tuiaki - why?

Geldir

11/1/21 9:34am

Kalani says we should respect him more?

Hoopster

11/1/21 9:36am

He does great with the talent he has. Look at the last two years

Lesgo Brandon

11/1/21 9:36am

These are our kids...they chose BYU...Develope them, coach them...

11/1/21 9:42am

I don't know the statistics,but from my observations BYU is great on 1st and 2nd

Geldir

11/1/21 9:42am

Miracle worker? You serious?

11/1/21 2:15pm

I wish our recruiters would get him better talent

1984coug

11/1/21 3:20pm

RE: For anyone who is still pro Tuiaki - why?

BYUheaven

11/1/21 9:36am

Because I have no idea what I'm talking about, so I support those who do

Hotlanta

11/1/21 9:36am

I hate watching our D philosophy, but we are 7-2 and the D has lost 1 game (2 if you include UVa. The O won that one).

11/1/21 9:37am

Brady Poppinga says he’s doing a good job

Run-DMT

11/1/21 9:38am

Prototypical genius right there, man

Accipiter

11/1/21 9:42am

I disagree with some Poppinga sometimes, but MAN he is fun to listen to.

Geldir

11/1/21 9:43am

Not Pro Tuiaki but hesitant to rush to judgement

compcoug

11/1/21 9:39am

Thumbs up on the "terrible tackling" part. Far too often, we stink at that.

BleedCougarBlue2

11/1/21 12:29pm

I am. Here's why.

Blueto

11/1/21 9:40am

Do you think another reason the D has regressed from last year is SOS?

YSMACK

11/1/21 9:41am

We were top 10 in DFEI, which factors in strength of schedule.

Blueto

11/1/21 9:42am

It tries to. The problem is it is difficult to adjust for SOS when talking about one side of the ball.

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 9:46am

Signed - 35 pts in one quarter.

BleedCougarBlue2

11/1/21 12:29pm

One other thing. I really liked what I saw from the first 2-3 games this season

Captain Rex

11/1/21 3:04pm

Maybe the younger, inexperienced, less talented people aren't good at doing

Lesgo Brandon

11/1/21 4:01pm

We're 7-2 with 5 wins over P5 teams. We're missing key starters from

11/1/21 9:41am

18-3. And, we've seen glimpses of what the D can look like when 1s are healthy.

CalGTR

11/1/21 9:42am

This. 18-3

DiamondMo

11/1/21 12:55pm

Winning games.

Ted Lasso

11/1/21 9:42am

The critics say that he doesn't make adjustments and then bury their head in the sand when it comes to games like

IceBlueCoug

11/1/21 9:43am

Because he's doing a better job at winning against stronger competition than BYU ever has.

kccougar

11/1/21 9:44am

So all he needs to be a good defensive coordinator is a transcendent offense

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 9:47am

I wasn't aware we had shown to be a transcendent offense until last night.

kccougar

11/1/21 9:51am

We were ranked 17th in the country. That is really, really good.

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 10:03am

RE: We were ranked 17th in the country. That is really, really good.

imdocrob

11/1/21 2:24pm

We were talking about the offense, not sure your point

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 2:34pm

RE: We were talking about the offense, not sure your point

imdocrob

11/1/21 4:56pm

If your sample includes only the UVA game, then sure.

11/1/21 9:53am

Going into the game we had the 17th best offense and the 68th best defense. Those numbers will only

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 10:04am

By what measurement? Our total offense is at #37 AFTER the UVA game

11/1/21 10:15am

Please tell me you aren't going off of yards per game as your metric. You realize that Tuiaki's defense limits

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 10:26am

So what's the answer to my question? What measurement had us at #17 offense?

11/1/21 10:37am

FEI

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 10:47am

Scoring points are all that matter, and here are the stats after Saturday:

11/1/21 4:48pm

And give up less than 100 yards per game...

ochobeeguy

11/1/21 4:07pm

I don't like the way the question is framed. I'm pro-Tuiaki in that I want to see BYU and Tuiaki succeed. But I would

Unibro

11/1/21 9:49am

I support Tuiaki. Frankly, a lot of the criticism thrown his way comes from

SJS

11/1/21 9:56am

But... he doesn't limit points. He limits posessions. They still score at will

Geldir

11/1/21 10:14am

Why should someone's job security be based on your unrealistic expectations?

Byron McNertney

11/1/21 10:25am

why is it unrealistic to expect better performance on scoring per possession

Deleted

11/1/21 10:26am

Because BYU is not Alabama. Based on recruiting and opponents, expecting BYU's

Byron McNertney

11/1/21 10:57am

alabama is a long ways away from 70th. many common opponents didnt have the same ease of drive vs other teams

Deleted

11/1/21 11:05am

BYU is near 70th in recruiting and most opponent offenses have been 100% P5

Byron McNertney

11/1/21 11:38am

This exactly

BYU313

11/1/21 1:58pm

So if BYU scores more points, then why would this matter?

OldFogey

11/1/21 1:15pm

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cougargollum

11/1/21 1:43pm

As noted above PPG isn’t a good metric to evaluate… points per drive is better….

kotacoug

11/1/21 10:21am

70th right now with our strength of schedule and lack of depth and talent on the

Lesgo Brandon

11/1/21 10:39am

Our strength of schedule is ranked #50 so I’m not sure if we can use that in

kotacoug

11/1/21 10:49am

Yep. Sitake and Tuiaki know more about defense and these players than any CBer.

Byron McNertney

11/1/21 10:23am

IMO thats a dumb argument, basically saying no fans can ever criticize any coordinator. some are bad. So does howell. do

Deleted

11/1/21 10:27am

You can criticize all you want, but when all is said and done, I'm going to give

Byron McNertney

11/1/21 10:39am

Fans can of course criticize, but other fans can also make fun of these fans 🙂

Lesgo Brandon

11/1/21 10:39am

RE: Fans can of course criticize, but other fans can also make fun of these fans

SJS

11/1/21 10:59am

I’m pretty confident that Bronco Mendenhall knows more about defense than all

SJS

11/1/21 11:01am

I am sure lots of fired coordinators or HCs know more and still are fired and their replacements do better

Deleted

11/1/21 11:11am

Problem is even when we blitz we don't get home. It's a personnel issue after

CalGTR

11/1/21 12:13pm

Problem is we don't disguise blitzes or any other defenses that we run.

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 12:16pm

Sure, we’re winning games, but what about points per possession? -kota probably

SJS

11/1/21 1:13pm

He is paid a lot of money (more than most of us) and has a lot more experience

ImuaKahuku

11/1/21 1:08pm

RE: I support Tuiaki. Frankly, a lot of the criticism thrown his way comes from

imdocrob

11/1/21 2:29pm

RE: I support Tuiaki. Frankly, a lot of the criticism thrown his way comes from

imdocrob

11/1/21 2:33pm

Because he is still learning. He is basically brand new at his job. Give him

rockhound

11/1/21 10:12am

is this a joke? hes been there since 2016

Deleted

11/1/21 10:28am

That'd be news to Bronco

Blueto

11/1/21 10:31am

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Deleted

11/1/21 10:32am

No joke. I'm better at my job than I was five years ago.

rockhound

11/1/21 1:15pm

That doesn't help your point. He is pretty much the same.

Geldir

11/1/21 3:13pm

This isn't year 6 for him?

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 10:28am

as a relative ignoramus (to the coaches not to CB) it seems one of the

yahtzee

11/1/21 10:30am

You play to win the game even when that means it's a risk adverse style on D

Lesgo Brandon

11/1/21 10:41am

He's Sitake's buddy--keep Kalani happy. Plus, don't think that KS doesn't weigh

Parker Schnabel

11/1/21 10:32am

That Oregon St D was....well... I won't go there

kimdaddy35

11/1/21 10:50am

Horrible? Yup.

Parker Schnabel

11/1/21 1:45pm

Are you serious??? We are 17th in the country and 7-2 with the toughest

kosmokramer

11/1/21 12:29pm

Because he has held 5 teams to 20 points or less which is a kind of magic…

Silvex

11/1/21 1:00pm

Our offense held them that low. Those teams were mostly more efficint against us

Geldir

11/1/21 3:17pm

I love Tuiaki. We're 18-3 in last 21 games. Ranked almost entire time. Wake up!

gocougs719

11/1/21 1:23pm

Reasons Tuiaki should go:

Horacio Caine

11/1/21 1:45pm

"Well, imagine our record if we didn’t have the 80th or worse defense" Nonsense.

Silvex

11/1/21 1:58pm

Since hes been here. We didn’t need to lose to Baylor because they were favored

Horacio Caine

11/1/21 2:15pm

We didn't need to lose, but you can't hang the L on the defense. Everyone...

Silvex

11/1/21 3:28pm

Forget Baylor. This isn’t about Baylor. It’s about our D sucking for 6 years

Horacio Caine

11/1/21 5:46pm

So tell me, coach, what percentage of plays against UVA were "drop 8". My guess

airwolf

11/1/21 2:14pm

That analysis has already been done here for several games and shows the trends

Horacio Caine

11/1/21 2:17pm

Which trend? The trend of winning football games?

airwolf

11/1/21 2:56pm

You must have meant the trend of the 80th ranked defense.

Horacio Caine

11/1/21 3:07pm

I just happen to agree with A-Rod, final score is all that matters.

airwolf

11/1/21 4:33pm

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Horacio Caine

11/1/21 5:44pm

What do you think of the responses to your question so far. I have question for you: what was your assessment of our

CLCougar

11/1/21 1:49pm

One thing I love about Bronco that many have forgotten...

Horacio Caine

11/1/21 1:53pm

Yeah, I'm surprised we don't play more 3-4

Parker Schnabel

11/1/21 2:07pm

His 3 3 5 was also very good- he just realized he had the talent to go 3-4

1984coug

11/1/21 3:22pm

Wasn't all that great for byu as we don't have an oversupply of DB' compared

Parker Schnabel

11/1/21 5:01pm

His 3-3-5 at BYU was not good at all. It’s what precipitated the need to change.

Horacio Caine

11/1/21 5:47pm

Tuiaki and I differ in defensive strategy. But he has coached and I havent.

SportsRoad

11/1/21 1:59pm

Sitake is tired of people questioning Tuiaki. From DesNews/Jay Drew:

OldFogey

11/1/21 2:35pm

Kalanis loyalty to IT will get eventually get him canned- he can only protect

1984coug

11/1/21 3:26pm

I don't agree with your take, but see why you say it

OldFogey

11/1/21 3:54pm

18-3. Wins over P5 teams. Wins over P5 teams with winning records. Solid DB

HONOMO

11/1/21 2:39pm

RE: For anyone who is still pro Tuiaki - why?

drdukejones

11/1/21 2:53pm

I'm glad you asked. We haven't discussed this enough

deljdc

11/1/21 2:55pm

The team is 7-2. No one on CB thought this would be the case. So, he’s doing

Mathew

11/1/21 3:08pm

BYU just jumped 8 spots in the AP poll. Kalani says Tuiaki was a big part of

cougargollum

11/1/21 3:26pm

Great points. Those wanting Tuiakis head are in essence calling Kalani a liar or too blinded by friendship to be truste

CLCougar

11/1/21 3:47pm

And that blunder was clearly on the offense and special teams.

Silvex

11/1/21 3:49pm

because we require much better evidence than the garbage haters accept/provide

Rodolpho

11/1/21 3:59pm

How about (with the exception of UVA) holding good teams to an average 19.4 pts.

Jasbo

11/1/21 4:03pm

Because literally every stat you used is skewed. You couldn't be more off.

Geldir

11/2/21 8:32am

The numbers aren't skewed, they are facts. BYU won on Saturday, too, ftr

OldFogey

11/2/21 9:53am

Right. But they are being used to draw inaccurate conclusions.

Geldir

11/2/21 11:27am

There's nothing inaccurate about 7-2 & avg pts allowed, bro. It was a rough

OldFogey

11/2/21 11:41am

Actually average points allowed is VERY misleading.

Geldir

11/2/21 12:02pm

I personally don't spend any time pondering this, but understand many do. I'm

OldFogey

11/2/21 12:36pm

Because he doesn't influence the game nearly as much as those who hate him think

ochobeeguy

11/1/21 4:05pm

Because this is high-level college football, not Remember the Titans

Gorgias

11/1/21 4:36pm

I have said this before. Many of the “pro tuiaki” people on here are less

Cougzilla

11/1/21 5:41pm

I can't believe anyone would want to fire Tuiaki right now. Here's why

MaxxPower

11/1/21 5:44pm

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