Would you rather hire an FBS HC with a "losing" record? Not me. Winners win.

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Oct 3, 2019
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Jay Hill is currently 37-28 lifetime. Thoughts?

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 10:21am

There are zero slam dunk candidates

donnerstag

10/3/19 10:22am

When has there ever been a slam dunk candidate for BYU?

ataylor

10/3/19 10:24am

True, but so far he's 2-10, 6-5, 7-5, 11-3, 10-3, 1-2. Notice the upward...

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 10:32am

Also, his 2 losses this year came in close road games to SDSU and Nevada.

Byron McNertney

10/3/19 10:39am

That's called "punching above your weight". Can anyone see that need @ BYU?

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 10:41am

Every September for the foreseeable future

Bonoman

10/3/19 1:54pm

Weber was on NCAA probation when Hill took over.. (reduced Scholarships)

TheLost

10/3/19 10:42am

And it's a clean program now, correct? If so, that's another plus for him.

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 10:44am

From what i've seen... Its a great program...

TheLost

10/3/19 10:54am

Clean program: Bonus! Side note: That's a Division II locker room? Man!, how..

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 11:06am

(Technically is a D1 program... FCS)

TheLost

10/3/19 11:10am

Ok, but any way you say it, they are a smaller program than BYU. That locker...

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 7:18pm

Crowton. Success as an HC with LA Tech and a respectable stint as an NFL OC.

vagabonder

10/3/19 10:32am

That was the only one that came to my mind as well. Not a good sign.

ataylor

10/3/19 10:35am

Hmmm....IMO very doubtful the BoT would give him a 2nd chance due to so....

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 10:47am

I didn't say he should be rehired, only that he was a slam dunk hire at the time

vagabonder

10/3/19 10:48am

Gotcha.

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 10:59am

Whittingham in 2005 was the most slam dunk candidate ever

donnerstag

10/3/19 10:35am

Sure. I was thinking more of guys with head coach experience, but yeah.

ataylor

10/3/19 10:43am

While he didn't have HC experience, BYU was competing with Utah

donnerstag

10/3/19 10:47am

Right.

ataylor

10/3/19 10:50am

Whitt struggled in the beginning of PAC. Depth helps.

Benfica1

10/3/19 11:13am

Crowton was about as slam dunk as could be as OC for the Bears

Croweater

10/3/19 3:16pm

Bingo

Coug Man in Florida

10/3/19 1:41pm

If Sitake ends up being done, I'll bet it's >90% chance Jay Hill gets the job.

RdF3

10/3/19 10:24am

Sources close to Jay Hill say that he doesn't want the BYU job

donnerstag

10/3/19 10:37am

Maybe he really does think that, but once an actual job is offered and the contract is put on the table, I bet he would

RdF3

10/3/19 10:39am

Even if he'd be interested, he doesn't have a track record coaching

donnerstag

10/3/19 10:41am

And the coach with a winning track record at the FBS level is ....

BYU Fan

10/3/19 10:45am

I agree, but I think he’d be the most impressive candidate.

RdF3

10/3/19 10:47am

Paul Peterson should get a look

donnerstag

10/3/19 10:51am

How's he doing at Dixie?

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 10:52am

He's 3-1 so far

donnerstag

10/3/19 10:54am

Looks like he's doing it with poor QB play too...

mokelembembe

10/3/19 11:14am

He’s who I’d have hired at offensive coordinator both after 2015 and 2017.

ataylor

10/3/19 10:55am

Would you rather hire an FBS HC with a "losing" record? Not me. Winners win.

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 10:51am

Yeah, but would you really want a him? The next coach needs to have a vision

Pasadena

10/3/19 10:45am

He may not want to worry about all the extra hassles at BYU

BYU Fan

10/3/19 10:49am

"My" expectations (long range)....9+ wins a season, beat Utah at least 50% of..

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 10:58am

Even if you take out Kalani's 0-4 start

displacedute

10/3/19 4:54pm

Nope. Win at least half the games. That's how you maintain a true rivalry,...

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 7:31pm

You're setting yourself up for some very frustrating decades.

displacedute

10/3/19 9:47pm

So you obviously expect me to roll over and die? My expectations are mine.

BleedCougarBlue2

10/4/19 2:30pm

I told you that your own expectations are your prerogative.

displacedute

10/4/19 3:06pm

Unless Weber State is his dream job....

cougarnw

10/3/19 3:55pm

Doubtful. He's young and competitive. What kind of young, winning, competetive

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 7:33pm

"Sources"? Surely BYU HC pays more than Weber HC.

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 10:49am

What sources are those?

mwcoug

10/3/19 11:11am

lol

cougarnw

10/3/19 2:04pm

Didn't people say exactly this about Mark Pope?

Resurgens

10/3/19 2:59pm

But is he in a bishopric?

LifelongAP

10/3/19 10:27am

Im sorry but we don’t need more utes coaching us, or presidents of our university, or anywhere near BYU 🙂

Hank Rearden

10/3/19 10:30am

I'd take the yewtiest yewt there is if they won games & followed BYU's....

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 10:35am

That's what Utah did with a Cougar, worked out well for them

Resurgens

10/3/19 3:00pm

He's also 21-6 in his last 2 full seasons. 10 of those 28 losses were in his

KingDave

10/3/19 10:31am

One thing I like about Hill is that he took a program that was down in the dumps

Faceman

10/3/19 10:33am

^^^^^ Ding! Ding! Ding! "We have a winner!" You got it.

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 10:39am

His last 2 years were 11 win seasons and he just beat a ranked team

BigYfan

10/3/19 10:33am

He took over a program that was 2-10 & 2-9 in the two seasons before he arrived

CaliWG

10/3/19 10:40am

Fesi Sitake & Preston Hadley worked for Jay Hill as well at Weber St

BYU Fan

10/3/19 10:40am

He'd probably be a good coach. You never know.

Benfica1

10/3/19 11:19am

He will be the next BYU HC. Anae is the best candidate, but his personality will

Backcountry

10/3/19 11:40am

You are right on 2 of 3.....Crowton was a head coach.

Real G Man

10/3/19 11:43am

NFL OC immediately before BYU, right?

Backcountry

10/3/19 11:44am

He was a HC at NE Louisiana or some directional school.

Real G Man

10/3/19 12:06pm

I didn't realize that. That dude had a wild career.

Backcountry

10/3/19 12:16pm

Also, OC at Oregon, LSU and Maryland.

Benfica1

10/3/19 2:53pm

Hmmmm, don't believe that BYU is known as a lousy HC job. Difficult maybe.

Benfica1

10/3/19 12:42pm

If Drew Hill only gets 6-7 wins a season, I wouldn't hire him. We can, and....

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 4:08pm

Historically, Weber State did not fare well against the upper tier of the Big

Gentleman Stan

10/3/19 11:54am

Jay Hill isn’t coming....

Vernon Dozier

10/3/19 11:55am

If you are connected, and it's true an active LDS dude won't leave a low end FCS

Backcountry

10/3/19 11:56am

I don't care what your sources are, he would come it offered

CaliWG

10/3/19 12:03pm

I have to agree with this.

Backcountry

10/3/19 12:16pm

The BYU job might not offer great job stability you coach at BYU with P5 loaded

franklyvulgar

10/3/19 12:32pm

Agree completely

Backcountry

10/3/19 1:14pm

Hill turned down the OC job at Utah

TheLost

10/3/19 1:22pm

Because he wanted to be a head coach

CaliWG

10/3/19 1:27pm

That shows both integrity & wisdom in not simply chasing $; both r impressive.

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 7:47pm

He can sit back and take his 300K HOPING another offer comes along, or he can

cougaman

10/3/19 12:39pm

He's a good coach. A better job is a very real possibility. Utah will have a

Backcountry

10/3/19 1:15pm

He may wait 4-5 years to have a POSSIBILITY to get the Utah head coaching job,

cougaman

10/3/19 1:21pm

Which is why i can see him taking the BYU job.

Backcountry

10/3/19 1:23pm

End your coaching career? That's the case with any job. Would you suggest he

cougaman

10/3/19 1:27pm

BYU is a dead end. Expectations are unrealistic relative to available resources

Backcountry

10/3/19 2:11pm

It certainly killed Broncos career... Sitake just isn't good enough.

cougaman

10/3/19 2:32pm

Different eras

Backcountry

10/3/19 2:43pm

Yes, it was a whole 3 years ago!

cougarnw

10/3/19 3:56pm

I don't know if it is a "job killer" per se...

Eddie

10/3/19 2:59pm

Good analysis. I sure wish I knew just how much the BoT/senior LDS leaders...

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 7:59pm

That would be nice to know.

Eddie

10/4/19 10:53am

I don't know if I agree with that analysis. If you are good enough to get an

cougaman

10/3/19 8:06pm

Like I said - I'm not sure I completely agree with the analysis. Just sharing it

Eddie

10/4/19 10:50am

And USU/SDSU and others may very well be on par, but there is at least 10 times

cougaman

10/4/19 10:58am

Again - if that's their perception, that's their perception.

Eddie

10/4/19 11:08am

Well, if it comes to that, BYU can make the offer and see what happens.

cougaman

10/4/19 3:16pm

BYU a "career killer": totally disagree. Just need the right HC; winners win.

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 7:54pm

How many good HC jobs do you think are out there? He'd take BYU if offered.

Benfica1

10/3/19 1:44pm

Like I said, I agree. But I would understand it if he turned BYU down.

Backcountry

10/3/19 2:11pm

Do you think a P5 program is going to offer an FCS coach a head job?

CaliWG

10/3/19 1:57pm

Utah is a real possibility

Backcountry

10/3/19 2:12pm

Mike Price went from HC at Weber to HC at Washington State. I believe it was

LongtimeUtahfan

10/3/19 10:37pm

If he keeps winning at Weber, other offers will most definitley come!

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 7:49pm

Im sure he deeply appreciates you speaking for him

cougarnw

10/3/19 2:15pm

I personally know Jay Hill

Wildcat70

10/3/19 6:03pm

I’ve worked with him

CaliWG

10/3/19 6:09pm

The Utah job is Scalley’s or Anderson’s

Vernon Dozier

10/3/19 8:38pm

Wildcat is correct. I’ll leave it at that.

Vernon Dozier

10/3/19 8:37pm

You forgot to mention Mike Leach any chance there active LDS req aside

franklyvulgar

10/3/19 12:27pm

We are also not getting rid of Kalani

BYUvermont

10/3/19 12:35pm

I think if we don't go to a bowl game, he'll be gone. I think that would be...

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 8:04pm

Looks like someone that would be in between Sitake and Bronco. I think Anae

BlueForLife

10/3/19 12:43pm

Hill isn't my first pick, but I think he would be better than Sitake

Jericho

10/3/19 2:59pm

Scalley?

saltlakecoug1

10/3/19 3:37pm

RE: Scalley?

BigYfan

10/3/19 4:17pm

Scalley is about as red Utah

Srg

10/3/19 5:55pm

Maybe so but I'd take him if he proved loyal to BYU & if he won. BTW, KW was...

BleedCougarBlue2

10/3/19 8:06pm

I like scalley but I’d be surprised

Srg

10/16/19 4:43pm

If Kalani gets cut loose, I hope BYU goes with an experienced HC next.

Eddie

10/17/19 8:31am

>>We're not going to get Whittingham.<< Good. He’s an awful fit, and not who

Nogi-oshi

10/3/19 8:35pm

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