Good Question....I think they should buy him some good will, but many do not....

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Nov 23, 2015
11:09:43am

deckard667 Contributor

Good Question....I think they should buy him some good will, but many do not....

think so. And its not like BYU has gone sub .500 since those years. No, 8-5 is not great by anyone's standards, but I don't think the wheels are coming off.

This weekends game is actually quite big for Bronco. A win, and the program is trending upward. A loss and the chorus from the "fire Bronco" crowd will only grow louder. 9-3 sounds a whole heck of a lot better than 8-4. 9-3 with loses only to P5 teams is much better than 8-4 and losing to the little sister to the north.

The question should also be asked, does he get any credit for all of those 11-2 seasons? They were pretty good by anyone's standards.

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Having to endure junk like this is slowly pushing me back on to the Fire Bronco

Revolution

11/23/15 9:31am

RE Nick Vigil

Y05

11/23/15 9:38am

Huh?

Sirrinem

11/23/15 9:43am

You're thinking of his brother. Zach.

Sirrinem

11/23/15 9:44am

oops

Y05

11/23/15 9:50am

Nick Vigil will be running the ball again on Saturday....

11/23/15 10:12am

Nick Vigil had 16 carries for 57 yards. 3.6 yards a carry.

BarraCouga

11/23/15 11:17am

i would add

Y05

11/23/15 12:20pm

That offsides penalty was a killer. IIRC, he jumped way off sides.

BYUHawk

11/23/15 1:15pm

Lol. Vigil's drive-saving runs were absolutely critical

reddead

11/23/15 12:34pm

Hill picked up two yards on that play. It was 3 and 5.

BarraCouga

11/23/15 1:14pm

I was firmly in place on the Bronco Train, but losses at UCF and at home to UNR

TheDeek

11/23/15 9:40am

Agreed. Those two games did it for me too.

BabyOx

11/23/15 10:14am

BYU goes into prevent mode - Bronco tries to hold on (UCLA 10 pt 4th qtr lead)

farsurfer

11/24/15 10:41am

Last year's game was a big disappointment, and I think Bronco deserves criticism

deckard667

11/23/15 9:44am

Comparing Bronco to Lavell drives me nuts. Lavell built the program, won a NC and had some fantastic seasons.

slowhiteguy

11/23/15 9:59am

If Cougar Board were around in the 80's and 90's Lavell would have endured the

deckard667

11/23/15 10:17am

Again, Lavell had taken the program from nothing to a NC team. He earned the patience. Bronco has not.

slowhiteguy

11/23/15 10:26am

Restating your flawed theory does not address my points....

deckard667

11/23/15 10:35am

Did Crowton? No he almost buried the program. Bronco took a program that was in

deckard667

11/23/15 10:42am

Labeling me a hater because I feel he has reached his ceiling is pretty lame. Until he does something more than he has

slowhiteguy

11/23/15 10:48am

How long past those 11-2 seasons would it be appropriate to disregard them, IYO?

Revolution

11/23/15 10:52am

When there are no longer any players on the team that played those years?

Revolution

11/23/15 10:53am

Good Question....I think they should buy him some good will, but many do not....

deckard667

11/23/15 11:09am

The problem also is that now the schedule is much tougher than in any year under

deckard667

11/23/15 11:11am

I'm not asking for undefeated. I'm asking him not to lose to USU. I'm asking

Revolution

11/23/15 11:23am

but these games do not occur in a vacuum. Its not like there were not

deckard667

11/23/15 11:32am

Keep the debate to now. Our schedule is ranked 67th.. So try again.

11/23/15 4:08pm

A big consideration with Bronco's schedule is always the number of MWC calibur

Revolution

11/23/15 11:21am

Should the same consideration be placed on Lavell? Its not like the WAC or MWC

deckard667

11/23/15 11:26am

I didn't follow BYU football, or any College football back then, so I don't know

Revolution

11/23/15 11:33am

So let me enlighten you. In the 80's it was BYU and everyone else in the WAC

deckard667

11/23/15 1:03pm

Ok. So there you have it. Lavell's record was inflated.

Revolution

11/23/15 1:13pm

and let me enlighten you

Y05

11/23/15 2:16pm

Nope. Lavell won a NC. That gives him a very long leash, period. Some fans

Ash

11/23/15 10:54am

You really don't think CB'ers would not have starting being critical of Lavell

deckard667

11/23/15 11:03am

I think that at the end the game may have passed him up. That happens to coaches

Ash

11/23/15 12:40pm

And you realize the only chance BYU has at the 4 team playoff is to go 12-0....

deckard667

11/23/15 1:08pm

YSite, CougarNet

HawkeyeCoug

11/24/15 10:05am

One more thing to add to Lavell's column that often gets overlooked...

Kuga

11/23/15 10:31pm

Not sure BYU would've won that game even with Hill playing

checoug

11/23/15 2:00pm

How is the train moving in the right direction? We look the same as every year

dchandle15

11/23/15 3:34pm

Garretson is a good QB

CoopDizz

11/23/15 9:47am

Yep. PAC12 QB now. AS we all know, that is the be all end all of everything.

11/23/15 10:00am

It will be interesting to see how he does in Corvallis

CoopDizz

11/23/15 10:05am

The way things are going in Corvallis, he probably wishes he was back in Logan.

BabyOx

11/23/15 10:15am

Chances are, we face Chuckie Keeton to start on Saturday.

Pete

11/23/15 10:18am

Sounds good to me. BYU has always been good at shutting him down.

BabyOx

11/23/15 10:21am

You negate one of your reasons (Vigil)

shakarocks

11/23/15 11:32am

I think USU is about at their ceiling. Their recruiting pool is quite small....

deckard667

11/23/15 11:36am

They rebuilt a lot of their facilities

shakarocks

11/23/15 11:45am

If you are going to keep saying "face it" then lets get real. You are dead

deckard667

11/23/15 5:46pm

I'm very familiar with both facilities

shakarocks

11/23/15 6:09pm

They just reworks the football stadium and reduced capacity even more. They

deckard667

11/23/15 7:55pm

I went to BYU

shakarocks

11/23/15 8:11pm

you don't say.

Revolution

11/23/15 11:40am

Wow. That was really condescending. Garretson is a good player

reddead

11/23/15 12:18pm

Sorry Sister Garrettson or is it Gilbertson... I don't remember.

Revolution

11/23/15 12:27pm

I think you missed my point

reddead

11/23/15 12:46pm

RE: Having to endure junk like this is slowly pushing me back on to the Fire

Trustblue

11/23/15 3:15pm

If I was CEO of an underperforming company and lost to

Revolution

11/23/15 5:33pm

How has he exceeded your expectations and is that a reflection of Him or you?

11/23/15 4:01pm

RE: How has he exceeded your expectations and is that a reflection of Him or

Revolution

11/23/15 5:23pm

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