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There were two potential targeting calls in the 4th quarter of the ASU game, one by each team. On the ASU INT, there is

Spiff SequelTrilogyFan

8:19am

If that hit in the Texas-Arizona State game was not targeting, what is?

BYUFootballRocks1 All-American

8:19am

4th and 13 will haunt ASU for a long time. Can’t believe that DB allowed the WR

Iman23

8:13am

Yep. And he was wide open. The ball was a bit underthrown so if he's even a

LifeLongLakerFan

8:16am

He bit on the outside move and when the receiver broke inside it was all over

Indy Coug

8:16am

It was the call by the DC. They brought 7 or 8, and they didn't get home. And because they didn't disguise it Ewers..

Adrielle

8:19am

The Office explains how we got Oregon v Penn State for the B1G championship

jrifkin48

8:03am

HUGE props to Tyler Batty for staying for 2024. Without his return

VegasCoug

7:51am

Amazing they both came back when BYU failed to live up to their NIL promises

kccougar

7:57am

Glow up? Is this a show choir?

Shawarma

7:58am

Batty on defense and Pay on offense were big parts of the glue that held this team together this year

BYUMizzou

7:59am

Was he considering transferring?

HBCoug

8:06am

According the way I've seen the rule called for a couple of seasons now, it was

Ghost of Peanut

7:49am

By the rule it was 100% targeting. What I don’t think it was is intentional

ordinary tri guy

7:55am

It was. Went from 1st down near FG range to 4th and 5 and having to punt

jrifkin48

7:55am

More than likely all we would have watched was ASU badly missing a FG given

Ghost of Peanut

8:00am

RE: According the way I've seen the rule called for a couple of seasons now, it was

txblue

7:59am

The problem is there is absolutely no consistency. By rule, it should have been

Powerbait DPM

8:06am

Also reading the comments on that video… I think America agrees

Powerbait DPM

8:07am

I honestly have no idea what targeting is or isn't anymore. There is no

IceCreamButt

8:07am

“Chickened out” is a good way to put it. The ASU player was not getting the 1st

NOCAL_YFAN

8:08am

Was Woody Dixon in the review booth?

HuskerFan2

8:13am

Relevant text from the rulebook:

Narfin'Coug

8:16am

With all these storms we’ve gotten the snow pack is starting to climb

Big12Yfan

7:49am

This is my favorite winters….snow in the mountains. Rain in valleys.

JohnnyC

8:05am

State wide average w/out Powell and flaming gorge is 76%. A normal snow pack will be great. But we need storms.

crimedog

8:18am

Anyone think that NOLA was the terror target because ND is playing & NOLA is a..

BamaCoug

7:43am

My thought was that it was a highly populated location

jxncoog

7:45am

byuTX

7:50am

It may have been founded on Christian principles but that city is more sinister

ordinary tri guy

7:53am

* than

Soy Celeste

7:57am

E = time…doh.

ordinary tri guy

8:02am

Sounds like a Candace Owens take

DKN

7:58am

kccougar

7:58am

Never entered my mind that NOLA is a Catholic town.

John Doe

8:03am

Very Catholic but likely not the reason it was attacked

ATX

8:07am

Not having to hear people whine about Bama being left out has been great.

maYbe

7:27am

4 teams should have been in over SMU including Alabama

Charles Darwin

7:41am

Lol

Turn and Cough

7:56am

5 including Michigan lol.

byubyu

7:59am

No. Alabama lost 3 games, and none of those was a conference

LifeLongLakerFan

8:19am

POLL: Now that BYU has finished its 11-2 season, what is your floor for a "good season" next year with our schedule?

byujacob INSUFFERABLE KNOW IT ALL

7:22am

I think the over under will be 7.5

Big12Yfan

7:36am

I'd probably place the over/under right around 8 or 8.5 wins next year.

jreid191

7:51am

POLL: Sugar Bowl this afternoon

Xenon

7:10am

What is rationale to think outcome changes because game postponed?

Rexy Coug

8:03am

Some differential in the reaction...

Xenon

8:13am

Fred Warner makes pro bowl. Van Noy snubbed.

pajamallama

7:09am

Is Warner All Pro too?

BamaCoug

7:44am

The season isn’t even over. They haven’t announced all-pro yet.

TCuz

7:55am

The Athletic has a big write up about Van Noy

byujacob INSUFFERABLE KNOW IT ALL

6:50am

McDonald’s is helping me with my New Years Resolutions.

Yukon

6:45am

It's still on mine.

John Doe

6:55am

I feel robbed. But also free.

Yukon

6:59am

You guys have the McDonald’s app? In haven’t eaten there in years

Jimmertime

6:59am

We are all happy for you!

Guac

7:04am

Are you though? It seems some people really enjoy eating there. Wouldn’t they

Jimmertime

7:06am

You’re right. We are sorry!

Guac

7:08am

RE: Are you though? It seems some people really enjoy eating there. Wouldn’t they

IdahoCoug

7:10am

We don't have to like the same things

Skeptical Optimist

7:19am

POLL: What’s more likely for 2025?

SBB

6:34am

The two timezone away game will be the hardest game. Non-con is easier than

BYUHgrad

7:02am

POLL: Was that targeting or not targeting?

oxcoug

6:30am

IRC the ASU player was temporarily injured by that tackle weren't they?

greatbam

6:40am

That wouldn't answer the question. Injuries happen.

Ghost of Peanut

6:42am

E. Probably, but seeing the way that Dillingham reacted to

Ghost of Peanut

6:45am

Missing option: Probably targeting but no video evidence that there was forcible contact to the

Skeptical Optimist

7:34am

Yes, it’s obnoxious Bevo Homer Acho, but the 4th and 13 defense that ASU ran is

Six Foot Seven

6:24am

This defensive meltdown doesn't negate the non-targeting call.

jrifkin48

6:49am

The non targeting call was terrible. But even if it wasn’t called, it…

AZPTCOUG

7:05am

They would've had first down (not have to punt) and close to FG range with 1 min

jrifkin48

7:36am

They also have one of the worst FG kickers in CFB..nothing guaranteed

ordinary tri guy

7:59am

1st and 10 in FG range increases the odds more than 4th and 5 having to punt

jrifkin48

8:05am

I thought they could have called targeting when ASU made the interception

Captain Stubing

7:32am

Absolutely. The ASU player literally launches himself high into the players head. I was stunned when the rules

Hank Rearden

7:56am

Is this true or is it satire?

Coug98

6:07am

ASU Got Sank-tioned by Big 10 Refs

44C

6:09am

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Kdubb

6:10am

Costed them. Who wrote this my 4 year old?

aplusfan

6:48am

Harlan starting his own Light the World campaign

44C

6:00am

Harlan was paid a base salary of $850,000 this year and $150,000 retention.

ParentingNotForSissy

8:19am

I know most non-BYU fans would disagree, but I think BYU was the best team in

VACougMD

5:52am

I don’t see how you could argue strongly against ASU.

Yukon

6:28am

As a fan I agree. Score board goes to ASU. I still believe BYU beats ASU this yr

SBB

6:31am

RE: As a fan I agree. Score board goes to ASU. I still believe BYU beats ASU

44C

6:48am

Both ASU & BYU showed that they were the best two teams in the conference. Play the game 10 times and I think its split

WDaddy

6:46am

I think BYU would have beaten ASU if they played in the CCG. Like tOSU, regular

BYUHgrad

6:52am

Yep, exactly this. Just because Oregon won the regular season matchup, doesn’t

VACougMD

7:16am

Spot on!

Big12Yfan

7:35am

Our offense was not good enough.

Idacoug

7:49am

The makings of a great program.

pittsburghcoug

5:28am

You just described Kevin Young

44C

6:11am

11) Stop losing to Kansas already please.

VACOUGFAN

6:21am

I love that you mentioned Fred twice. He deserves it!

kC Cougar

8:09am

I'm not a fan but have to respect ASU - woulda been SO easy to fade out and

oxcoug

4:12am

Honestly, seeing the intensity and physically BYU played with against ASU

CougarWildcat

4:34am

We didn’t deserve to go

44C

6:05am

That inexplicable Kansas loss is going to haunt us

PHXSUNS31

7:59am

BigXII showed much better than both ACC teams combined.

BYUHgrad

6:57am

POLL: Which name brings up more emotion when brought up: Tuiaki or Howell?

jrifkin48

4:08am

I don't know about "emotion", but Tuiaki at least came recommended by multiple

oxcoug

4:17am

Neither

Sea Chicken

4:51am

Would love to have one more dynamic piece but Martin-Moa-Haunga-Nawahine feels

oxcoug

3:53am

Commentators during the Alamo bowl in a rare moment talking about byu

BYU '80

4:18am

Missed that, good insight.

oxcoug

4:19am

I don't think he's a dangerous back, but his vision & body control

SinkingQuffa

4:27am

That's about how I'd have described Harvey in 2007.

oxcoug

4:29am

Another guy who comes to mind for me is Mahe. I hope they put Haunga in the slot

SinkingQuffa

4:34am

Breslin the freshman will be a solid addition too

Coug98

6:13am

Martin is a BEAST. I have seen nothing from Moa to indicated to me that he...

BamaCoug

6:50am

Agree. And with time Moa might be the best… we shall see

Dr MoBYU

7:47am

LJ is big and was better running through first contact this year. Needs to

Captain Stubing

7:48am

Need a speed guy in the RB room.

dYrtbYkerYder

7:57am

RE: Need a speed guy in the RB room.

lucfish

8:01am

Where can I milk a cow?

bravoyankeeuniform32

2:29am

Usually the utters

reagan21

7:13am

The utters? That is udderly wrong.

OrsoNero

7:25am

Look for a petting zoom or some other agritainment place possibly.

blueaussie

7:19am

A petting Zoom? HR would like a word after the meeting.

OrsoNero

7:27am

Ha. Definitely going to have to leave that auto correct.

blueaussie

7:30am

This is totally on my list as well

lemonademan

7:35am

I'm assuming you want to hand milk? Not use the vacuum thing?

Cougar McGregor

7:39am

bucket list? I see what you did there.

dryflyelk

8:10am

RE: Where can I milk a cow?

King of Y

8:17am

I initially strongly disagreed with the targeting non-call in the Texas-Arizona

Incentivize

12:30am

I came to the same conclusion.

LifeLongLakerFan

12:31am

I did not. May not have been intentional, but the hit checked the blocks

jrifkin48

4:12am

I get that. It was on the line. What ultimately did it for me was that it was

LifeLongLakerFan

8:15am

Not right according to the rule on defenseless players. Crown, etc isn’t

bluesloth

12:36am

In my opinion, the rule is there to protect a player from getting injured. I think the fact that the guy’s laying there

KYU

12:42am

So they should throw out a flag every time someone gets injured?

cougaman

6:19am

Even on a defenseless player, there still has to be indicators present

StantonMac

12:46am

which is a ridiculous ruling cause he got him with the crown anyways

FieroCoug

1:15am

Can always count on an unbiased take from FieroCoug when OU or UT are involved…

reddead

1:17am

“targeting 100 times out of 100”

FieroCoug

1:19am

Talking heads need to have takes, but it’s not what the rules say

reddead

1:55am

his head, above the facemask, was the first thing to make contact. yes he

FieroCoug

2:09am

Yes, but that only matters if he makes contact with the crown (6 in from top)

reddead

2:22am

You're wrong.

dYrtbYkerYder

2:28am

You need to brush up on the rules. I linked the relevant rule for you below...

reddead

2:39am

Not on a defenseless player.

dtownCoug

6:27am

Doesn't have to be the crown. Forcible contact to the head and neck area is

RGGeemer

7:43am

And it could be with a hand, shoulder, foot, knee, arm, pinky finger, etc.

dYrtbYkerYder

7:58am

The rulebook specifies helmet, shoulder, forearm, hand. But your point is

RGGeemer

8:00am

For a defenseless player (which the WR was in this case)

Skeptical Optimist

8:06am

He led with his helmet

CougarDanger

3:09am

That indicator includes an element of intent or purpose

reddead

3:30am

Not even close. The NCAA defines the crown as a 6” circle at the top of the helmet

Skeptical Optimist

6:12am

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dYrtbYkerYder

1:52am

A targeting indicator is though

cougaman

6:18am

head wasn’t all the way down but it was down at contact.

FieroCoug

12:38am

And on defenseless player, doesn’t even have to be helmet to helmet. Can be

bluesloth

12:40am

Sounds like you are looking for reasons to not call it. The ref consultant

GSwarriorcoug

12:55am

It's been targeting all year

Mitty

1:11am

No it hasn’t. It wasn’t even targeting 5 min earlier in the same game (ASU int)

reddead

1:18am

in what world is back to chest the same as crown to face? would you rather

FieroCoug

1:20am

By “back”, I’m sure you mean “forearm and shoulder to the head/neck”. Link below

reddead

2:08am

at worst it was shoulder to shoulder. he did launch but it wasn’t head or neck

FieroCoug

2:10am

Not what I see. Look at the UT head movement here, and the ASU forearm extension

reddead

2:30am

I think that is the problem...it hasn't. If that exact play happens 100 times, it gets called 50 and no-called 50.

TheLoneCougar

7:57am

People seriously need to learn the rule better. First, you need to determine if

dYrtbYkerYder

1:52am

There still needs to be an “indicator” and I don’t think that’s as clear cut

reddead

1:57am

Irony. “People need to learn the rule book.” Then they leave out a key part of

cougaman

6:24am

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Odysseus

6:40am

I’ve seen players held out for a lot less

ninja math

1:57am

I felt like it should have been called at the time.

VenomFarmer

2:18am

He started to lower his head but it didn’t appear to be the crown of the helmet

icecougar

2:23am

THE HIT DOESN'T NEED TO BE WITH THE CROWN OF THE HELMET!!!

dYrtbYkerYder

2:30am

But it does need to have an "indicator" and crown of the helmet is one indicator

reddead

2:32am

That he led with his helmet.

CougarDanger

3:10am

Addressed above. Not clear that he led with the necessary purpose/intent

reddead

3:30am

That he led with his helmet

CougarDanger

3:14am

Which is dumb. We all lead with our heads wherever we go.

C-dubb

5:32am

RE: Which is dumb. We all lead with our heads wherever we go.

JoeExotic

5:50am

This is what they are trying to stop. Don’t use the helmet like a weapon. At

ImuaKahuku

5:54am

This. ☝️ Crown only matters if the receiver wasn't defenseless. Since he was

al3124

4:37am

IT NEEDS TO HAVE A TARGET INDICATOR THOUGH

cougaman

8:19am

I like to look at these things scientifically. My conclusion? A targeting call

WallaX2

4:54am

Doesn’t need crown. whole purpose of the rule is to avoid that exact injury.

ImuaKahuku

5:27am

Apparently there are a lot of people who think that Big 10 refs willingly cheat for the SEC

Skeptical Optimist

6:13am

I think it is more likely that the refs didn’t have the guts to make the call

JoeExotic

6:21am

I think if they had an angle clearly showing forcible contact to the head they would have made the call

Skeptical Optimist

7:18am

The angles are clear IMO. Defenseless player got popped in the head.

JoeExotic

7:30am

I don't think that's clear - you can't see through his shoulder to see where his face mask hits first

Skeptical Optimist

7:37am

We must not be watching the same clip

JoeExotic

7:51am

I agree that there is contact to the WR helmet/face mask

Skeptical Optimist

8:15am

Well then the rule needs to be changed - actually, I think under the rules the refs were dead wrong

BYUFootballRocks1

8:16am

I’ve seen other targeting calls with much less carnage done than this one.

jpal1397

8:20am

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