I’d say your comment was more of an anti than his comment is an apologist

Dec 29, 2024
10:03:15am

KYU Intervention Needed

20-12 is not bad or benching you
Nine quarterbacks in the big 12 had 10 or more interceptions

Jake was right in the middle of the pack in the big 12 in most quarterback statistical categories

That was much better than he was projected to be

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No offense to Jake, but I think BYU was one Max Hall, John Beck, Taysom Hill, or

VACougMD

12/29/24 5:48am

Jake didn't give up three consecutive full field drives to ASU's offense or

oxcoug

12/29/24 5:57am

How convenient to not mention his redzone pick vs Kansas or his late INT vs asu

jigidajrit

12/29/24 7:37am

Tell me you are an ignorant fan without telling me. ^^^^

Hammer15

12/29/24 10:25am

I could easily say the same about oxcoug since he absolved Jake of any

jigidajrit

12/29/24 10:34am

Dude. . . That is just straight up not true. . .

Zoobieman

12/29/24 5:39pm

Doesn't change the truth of OP's post

Cougs'16

12/29/24 7:41am

Sure it does - are we a 2006 John Beck away from an elite run? Maybe. Are we a

oxcoug

12/29/24 8:10am

Can I get an amen?!?

AzCugrFan

12/29/24 8:19am

Ok, sure, 2006 John Beck.

Cougs'16

12/29/24 8:23am

OK, right - so if you can fast forward to the NFL ready 2006 John Beck and

oxcoug

12/29/24 8:28am

That if we'd had a better QB with this defense we'd be in the playoff

Cougs'16

12/29/24 8:49am

It's not controversial and it's not what the OP said - "one John Beck" or

oxcoug

12/29/24 8:59am

I think it's clear what his point was

Cougs'16

12/29/24 9:12am

Retzlaff ended the season with 20 TDs and 14 Ints (2 were on 2pt conv) that is

Das_Countach

12/29/24 8:33am

So that's 20 TDs and 12 INTs - 2 pt conversion INTs aren't statistically

oxcoug

12/29/24 8:37am

Lol, they still show his poor decision making and how it’s not improving— oh,

Das_Countach

12/29/24 9:14am

I’d say your comment was more of an anti than his comment is an apologist

KYU

12/29/24 10:03am

Uh oh, cover your eyes Retz apologists, Im bringing actual data to the thread

Das_Countach

12/29/24 12:40pm

You're 100% right. But Jake is the QB#1 in '25. Live with it and be happy!

Iki_Balam

12/29/24 8:29pm

Hopefully he gets challenged in spring, which will be better for Jake & the team

Das_Countach

12/29/24 8:33pm

So you’re saying he’s a good OC away from an elite season?

royal_blue

12/29/24 9:08am

Of the 3 units, offense has the most room for improvement. Hopefully Jake/ARod

royal_blue

12/29/24 9:11am

Or Jaren Hall

JKLCoug

12/29/24 6:00am

Or Marc Wilson

cambo

12/29/24 8:12am

Apparently, we were just one healthy Jake away from that as well

2FarGone

12/29/24 6:14am

What bugs me is we brought in an experienced backup for this season. If Jake

orrin7

12/29/24 7:11am

The backup wasn’t as good as the hurt starter

2FarGone

12/29/24 7:15am

I don’t think that was likely the case this year with how close they said it was

orrin7

12/29/24 7:45am

They didn’t bring in Bohanon. Bohanon just came himself

2FarGone

12/29/24 10:32am

Bohanon doesn’t just choose byu without the thought that he is coming in to

orrin7

12/29/24 12:31pm

Jake was supposedly healthy last night and played like 🗑️

jigidajrit

12/29/24 7:41am

This

johnnybyu

12/29/24 3:13pm

His health didn't have anything to do with his decision making and accuracy. The

jtm0001

12/30/24 6:31am

Have any thoughts on why Chase said Jake played a key role in him wanting to

oxcoug

12/29/24 6:18am

I hope they are right. Jake went from horrendous last year to serviceable this

jtm0001

12/30/24 6:37am

I love Jake’s toughness, but I agree. I hope he improves his accuracy in the

CougFan4EverEver

12/29/24 6:43am

A 150 yd passing day with two picks and no TD’s in a blowout are not sexy stats.

jpal1397

12/29/24 7:01am

I don't think it's accuracy as much as decision making

B Blue

12/29/24 8:28am

Maybe both? 👀

jpal1397

12/29/24 9:31am

Has to improve his throwing motion first. Don't see that happening.

Les IsMore

12/29/24 9:54am

It is what it is at this point. Mechanics are not getting better.

Bonoman

12/29/24 10:03pm

RE: No offense to Jake, but I think BYU was one Max Hall, John Beck, Taysom Hill, or

crimedog

12/29/24 6:44am

You got to give this kind of post a few weeks. Not right after a big win

CougarMandias

12/29/24 6:55am

It is good CougarBoard didn’t exist in the days of Shiede, Nielsen, Wilson, McMahon, Young, Bosco, and Detmer

Littlerich

12/29/24 6:57am

A few fans, not all

1CougFan

12/29/24 7:58am

Seems like many today

Littlerich

12/29/24 8:08am

Huh? were you around when they were playing?

AF Cougar

12/29/24 8:35am

I was around, and he is correct. Steve Young threw

75Coug

12/29/24 9:06am

He named all of them - McMahon, Wilson, Detmer, etc.

AF Cougar

12/30/24 9:18am

That most of them threw WAY more interceptions than Jake?

NYC and Japan

12/29/24 9:31am

Young's junior year is pretty similar to Jake's stats this year

HeismanTy

12/29/24 9:34am

Can you show me a 5 game stretch where any of those guys only threw for

byubyu

12/29/24 9:51am

I don’t think anyone is suggesting he is at their level, but there are a few

Johnny Vatos

12/29/24 10:22am

He's been historically bad since basically the 3rd quarter at UCF.

byubyu

12/29/24 10:27am

I guess you missed the part about him being injured. Well that’s embarrassing.

KYU

12/29/24 10:38am

Ya he was supposedly healthy yesterday and it was an equally awful performance.

byubyu

12/29/24 10:42am

Awful? You just lost all credibility.

KYU

12/29/24 4:11pm

12 completions lol. 151 yards lol. 3 interceptions lol. A fumble he thankfully

byubyu

12/29/24 4:28pm

Man, did Jake do something personally to you to make you hate him so bad. I mean you’re even making stuff up.

KYU

12/29/24 10:31pm

Do you consider 150 yards and 2 picks with 0 TD’s a good game?

jpal1397

12/30/24 9:41pm

I am not saying Retzlaff is at the level of the BYU greats, what I am saying is fans would complain about the mistakes

Littlerich

12/29/24 11:19am

Perhaps. But didn’t those guys throw about 40-50 passes a game?

Brisco

12/29/24 1:02pm

You’re right! I like Jake. Hopefully he can be a better game manager next year

44C

12/29/24 6:57am

If we don’t have a better qb next year, BYU coaches did not do their job in the

crm48

12/29/24 9:07am

Some of those guys played with some great defenses their years.

CougieMcCougFace

12/29/24 7:02am

Offensive consistency in general vs QB - Jake's live instincts have to improve.

Celeritas

12/29/24 7:03am

Jake is the limiting factor on this team

Beggar

12/29/24 7:04am

That is a ridiculous and shameful comment

2FarGone

12/29/24 7:09am

It’s the truth. His accuracy isn’t there and neither is his decision making

Beggar

12/29/24 7:31am

He certainly has his limitations. But so unfair to only mention that after what

Jstak17

12/29/24 7:52am

This team has way better receivers on it than what some of those great QBs had.

44C

12/29/24 9:18am

Love the obvious being told to everyone

4n18

12/29/24 7:10am

I've wanted to post something similar even before the first loss.

rtNelson

12/29/24 7:13am

Agreed, Jake’s good not great, I worry fans R making him the Ys CamR.

HeyU

12/29/24 7:33am

As the season went on Jake didn’t get better. Look at last night, he was healthy

jigidajrit

12/29/24 7:40am

Lots of growth for Jake from last year. Still needs to be more careful.

Traveling Coug

12/29/24 7:58am

Yep. I like his spunk. He’s a great kid. But the QB tank at the Y is weirdly

Cswilliam01

12/29/24 8:17am

Great kid! great story! Average QB

44C

12/29/24 9:21am

Jake is our man now so I fully support him.

Transferportal

12/29/24 8:30am

Me too he’s all we have.

44C

12/29/24 9:23am

Agreed.

Cougartex07

12/29/24 8:42am

That’s a fair point, but you are looking at all those QBs as seniors or who had multiple seasons as a starter.

TheLoneCougar

12/29/24 8:46am

Unfortunately Jake lacks the fundamentals that will make him grow as an elite

crm48

12/29/24 9:10am

Ummm… Jake is dramatically better this year than last. Jake will be better next

NYC and Japan

12/29/24 9:35am

Which fundamentals are you…

tmurphey44

12/29/24 9:57am

Good thing that is just opinion. Jake has a chance to prove you wrong.

TheLoneCougar

12/29/24 4:09pm

Max Hall would NOT have worked in this offense. WAY too slow, & didn't see

SinkingQuffa

12/29/24 10:18am

We were ranked #6 with Jake. Of course we'd have been top-5 with a better QB.

COACHdrn

12/29/24 11:03am

Why single out our QB? Let's not pretend we're swimming in NFL talent.

SinkingQuffa

12/29/24 11:50am

The OP mentioned QB, and the OP is correct. Any improvement would've resulted...

COACHdrn

12/29/24 12:27pm

I think you hold JR to impossible standards

59Coug

12/29/24 11:42am

Don’t disagree, but none of those greats played the kind of schedule we did

Houston

12/29/24 11:57am

Many of those qbs weren’t amazing before the last year or two. Retzlaff could be

here's to hoping

12/29/24 12:14pm

To me, all that matters is that he was the best QB on the roster this year

StoneyCurtis

12/29/24 1:09pm

Could also be easily said that with a quarterback, not as good as Jake we would have probably had at least 4 more L’s

GangstaLean

12/29/24 1:23pm

Maybe even a National Championship or top 3 finish. No super great teams this

RUNBYU1

12/29/24 3:14pm

Funny, because none of them did either

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