So that's 20 TDs and 12 INTs - 2 pt conversion INTs aren't statistically

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No offense to Jake, but I think BYU was one Max Hall, John Beck, Taysom Hill, or

VACougMD

12/29/24 5:48am

Jake didn't give up three consecutive full field drives to ASU's offense or

oxcoug

12/29/24 5:57am

How convenient to not mention his redzone pick vs Kansas or his late INT vs asu

jigidajrit

12/29/24 7:37am

Tell me you are an ignorant fan without telling me. ^^^^

Hammer15

12/29/24 10:25am

I could easily say the same about oxcoug since he absolved Jake of any

jigidajrit

12/29/24 10:34am

Dude. . . That is just straight up not true. . .

Zoobieman

12/29/24 5:39pm

Doesn't change the truth of OP's post

Cougs'16

12/29/24 7:41am

Sure it does - are we a 2006 John Beck away from an elite run? Maybe. Are we a

oxcoug

12/29/24 8:10am

Can I get an amen?!?

AzCugrFan

12/29/24 8:19am

Ok, sure, 2006 John Beck.

Cougs'16

12/29/24 8:23am

OK, right - so if you can fast forward to the NFL ready 2006 John Beck and

oxcoug

12/29/24 8:28am

That if we'd had a better QB with this defense we'd be in the playoff

Cougs'16

12/29/24 8:49am

It's not controversial and it's not what the OP said - "one John Beck" or

oxcoug

12/29/24 8:59am

I think it's clear what his point was

Cougs'16

12/29/24 9:12am

Retzlaff ended the season with 20 TDs and 14 Ints (2 were on 2pt conv) that is

Das_Countach

12/29/24 8:33am

So that's 20 TDs and 12 INTs - 2 pt conversion INTs aren't statistically

oxcoug

12/29/24 8:37am

Lol, they still show his poor decision making and how it’s not improving— oh,

Das_Countach

12/29/24 9:14am

I’d say your comment was more of an anti than his comment is an apologist

KYU

12/29/24 10:03am

Uh oh, cover your eyes Retz apologists, Im bringing actual data to the thread

Das_Countach

12/29/24 12:40pm

You're 100% right. But Jake is the QB#1 in '25. Live with it and be happy!

Iki_Balam

12/29/24 8:29pm

Hopefully he gets challenged in spring, which will be better for Jake & the team

Das_Countach

12/29/24 8:33pm

So you’re saying he’s a good OC away from an elite season?

royal_blue

12/29/24 9:08am

Of the 3 units, offense has the most room for improvement. Hopefully Jake/ARod

royal_blue

12/29/24 9:11am

Or Jaren Hall

JKLCoug

12/29/24 6:00am

Or Marc Wilson

cambo

12/29/24 8:12am

Apparently, we were just one healthy Jake away from that as well

2FarGone

12/29/24 6:14am

What bugs me is we brought in an experienced backup for this season. If Jake

orrin7

12/29/24 7:11am

The backup wasn’t as good as the hurt starter

2FarGone

12/29/24 7:15am

I don’t think that was likely the case this year with how close they said it was

orrin7

12/29/24 7:45am

They didn’t bring in Bohanon. Bohanon just came himself

2FarGone

12/29/24 10:32am

Bohanon doesn’t just choose byu without the thought that he is coming in to

orrin7

12/29/24 12:31pm

Jake was supposedly healthy last night and played like 🗑️

jigidajrit

12/29/24 7:41am

This

johnnybyu

12/29/24 3:13pm

His health didn't have anything to do with his decision making and accuracy. The

jtm0001

12/30/24 6:31am

Have any thoughts on why Chase said Jake played a key role in him wanting to

oxcoug

12/29/24 6:18am

I hope they are right. Jake went from horrendous last year to serviceable this

jtm0001

12/30/24 6:37am

I love Jake’s toughness, but I agree. I hope he improves his accuracy in the

CougFan4EverEver

12/29/24 6:43am

A 150 yd passing day with two picks and no TD’s in a blowout are not sexy stats.

jpal1397

12/29/24 7:01am

I don't think it's accuracy as much as decision making

B Blue

12/29/24 8:28am

Maybe both? 👀

jpal1397

12/29/24 9:31am

Has to improve his throwing motion first. Don't see that happening.

Les IsMore

12/29/24 9:54am

It is what it is at this point. Mechanics are not getting better.

Bonoman

12/29/24 10:03pm

RE: No offense to Jake, but I think BYU was one Max Hall, John Beck, Taysom Hill, or

crimedog

12/29/24 6:44am

You got to give this kind of post a few weeks. Not right after a big win

CougarMandias

12/29/24 6:55am

It is good CougarBoard didn’t exist in the days of Shiede, Nielsen, Wilson, McMahon, Young, Bosco, and Detmer

Littlerich

12/29/24 6:57am

A few fans, not all

1CougFan

12/29/24 7:58am

Seems like many today

Littlerich

12/29/24 8:08am

Huh? were you around when they were playing?

AF Cougar

12/29/24 8:35am

I was around, and he is correct. Steve Young threw

75Coug

12/29/24 9:06am

He named all of them - McMahon, Wilson, Detmer, etc.

AF Cougar

12/30/24 9:18am

That most of them threw WAY more interceptions than Jake?

NYC and Japan

12/29/24 9:31am

Young's junior year is pretty similar to Jake's stats this year

HeismanTy

12/29/24 9:34am

Can you show me a 5 game stretch where any of those guys only threw for

byubyu

12/29/24 9:51am

I don’t think anyone is suggesting he is at their level, but there are a few

Johnny Vatos

12/29/24 10:22am

He's been historically bad since basically the 3rd quarter at UCF.

byubyu

12/29/24 10:27am

I guess you missed the part about him being injured. Well that’s embarrassing.

KYU

12/29/24 10:38am

Ya he was supposedly healthy yesterday and it was an equally awful performance.

byubyu

12/29/24 10:42am

Awful? You just lost all credibility.

KYU

12/29/24 4:11pm

12 completions lol. 151 yards lol. 3 interceptions lol. A fumble he thankfully

byubyu

12/29/24 4:28pm

Man, did Jake do something personally to you to make you hate him so bad. I mean you’re even making stuff up.

KYU

12/29/24 10:31pm

Do you consider 150 yards and 2 picks with 0 TD’s a good game?

jpal1397

12/30/24 9:41pm

I am not saying Retzlaff is at the level of the BYU greats, what I am saying is fans would complain about the mistakes

Littlerich

12/29/24 11:19am

Perhaps. But didn’t those guys throw about 40-50 passes a game?

Brisco

12/29/24 1:02pm

You’re right! I like Jake. Hopefully he can be a better game manager next year

44C

12/29/24 6:57am

If we don’t have a better qb next year, BYU coaches did not do their job in the

crm48

12/29/24 9:07am

Some of those guys played with some great defenses their years.

CougieMcCougFace

12/29/24 7:02am

Offensive consistency in general vs QB - Jake's live instincts have to improve.

Celeritas

12/29/24 7:03am

Jake is the limiting factor on this team

Beggar

12/29/24 7:04am

That is a ridiculous and shameful comment

2FarGone

12/29/24 7:09am

It’s the truth. His accuracy isn’t there and neither is his decision making

Beggar

12/29/24 7:31am

He certainly has his limitations. But so unfair to only mention that after what

Jstak17

12/29/24 7:52am

This team has way better receivers on it than what some of those great QBs had.

44C

12/29/24 9:18am

Love the obvious being told to everyone

4n18

12/29/24 7:10am

I've wanted to post something similar even before the first loss.

rtNelson

12/29/24 7:13am

Agreed, Jake’s good not great, I worry fans R making him the Ys CamR.

HeyU

12/29/24 7:33am

As the season went on Jake didn’t get better. Look at last night, he was healthy

jigidajrit

12/29/24 7:40am

Lots of growth for Jake from last year. Still needs to be more careful.

Traveling Coug

12/29/24 7:58am

Yep. I like his spunk. He’s a great kid. But the QB tank at the Y is weirdly

Cswilliam01

12/29/24 8:17am

Great kid! great story! Average QB

44C

12/29/24 9:21am

Jake is our man now so I fully support him.

Transferportal

12/29/24 8:30am

Me too he’s all we have.

44C

12/29/24 9:23am

Agreed.

Cougartex07

12/29/24 8:42am

That’s a fair point, but you are looking at all those QBs as seniors or who had multiple seasons as a starter.

TheLoneCougar

12/29/24 8:46am

Unfortunately Jake lacks the fundamentals that will make him grow as an elite

crm48

12/29/24 9:10am

Ummm… Jake is dramatically better this year than last. Jake will be better next

NYC and Japan

12/29/24 9:35am

Which fundamentals are you…

tmurphey44

12/29/24 9:57am

Good thing that is just opinion. Jake has a chance to prove you wrong.

TheLoneCougar

12/29/24 4:09pm

Max Hall would NOT have worked in this offense. WAY too slow, & didn't see

SinkingQuffa

12/29/24 10:18am

We were ranked #6 with Jake. Of course we'd have been top-5 with a better QB.

COACHdrn

12/29/24 11:03am

Why single out our QB? Let's not pretend we're swimming in NFL talent.

SinkingQuffa

12/29/24 11:50am

The OP mentioned QB, and the OP is correct. Any improvement would've resulted...

COACHdrn

12/29/24 12:27pm

I think you hold JR to impossible standards

59Coug

12/29/24 11:42am

Don’t disagree, but none of those greats played the kind of schedule we did

Houston

12/29/24 11:57am

Many of those qbs weren’t amazing before the last year or two. Retzlaff could be

here's to hoping

12/29/24 12:14pm

To me, all that matters is that he was the best QB on the roster this year

StoneyCurtis

12/29/24 1:09pm

Could also be easily said that with a quarterback, not as good as Jake we would have probably had at least 4 more L’s

GangstaLean

12/29/24 1:23pm

Maybe even a National Championship or top 3 finish. No super great teams this

RUNBYU1

12/29/24 3:14pm

Funny, because none of them did either

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