So a bunch of other coaches that weren't anything to write home about similarly

Jul 11, 2024
8:38:07pm

OKchief Starter

underperforming is supposed to mean what?

Bronco was good I'm not bagging on him. But he does have a ceiling as a coach and he leaves programs when he reaches it. And he definitely tends to lose games he is supposed to win

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All the "experts" here who bag on Kalani need to have some introspection.

TheRowdy

7/11/24 2:13pm

Problem with Kalani is he loses too many games that he should win. That’s a BIG

Squirt

7/11/24 2:15pm

He's also won a lot of games he shouldn't, and those have been awesome.

TheRowdy

7/11/24 2:16pm

Beating Wisconsin @ Camp Randall, MissSt at LES (maybe a slight up

Forzaitalia

7/11/24 4:42pm

Funny thing is several of those games you listed that he lost came to good teams

arcawley

7/11/24 5:13pm

They were bad losses. You didn't list the LSU never cross the 50 embarassment.

Forzaitalia

7/11/24 5:29pm

The LSU loss was not on coaching, they were better football players at every

BYURider

7/11/24 5:49pm

When you can't cross the 50, of course the other side is far superior. It was

Forzaitalia

7/11/24 6:17pm

Let's see. LSU 2017. Finished #18. 1st game, BYU. BYU's second game. BYU doesn't

BYUDM93

7/11/24 7:14pm

Watching the game, they had their way with us. BYU was out-classed.

BYURider

7/11/24 7:31pm

I am not advocating ignoring those. I bring them up because I think we should

TheRowdy

7/11/24 5:24pm

SMH. Same could be said about LaVell, Crowton, and Bronco.

ManicBlue

7/11/24 2:17pm

Sports is like art. It's easy to spot a bad job. It's hard to know why it's

Mostlyaccurate

7/11/24 2:16pm

LOL... I remember these same type of posts about Crowton, Bronco, Anae, Tuiaki, Detmer...

Coug

7/11/24 2:16pm

lol yep. When you are one of a 100 in the world in your profession you

kotacoug

7/11/24 2:19pm

What does that prove? How about counter examples?

TheRowdy

7/11/24 2:19pm

Counter examples? Recruiting... it's a mess... organization and planning...

Coug

7/11/24 2:27pm

He’s not on the level of other head coaches in D1.

kotacoug

7/11/24 2:31pm

I think Kalani would make a great Sun Belt coach

Coug

7/11/24 2:32pm

True. He’d also make a great ambassador for the athletic dept and or school.

kotacoug

7/11/24 2:44pm

I assert that you are not qualified to offer that opinion credibly.

TheRowdy

7/11/24 2:51pm

Yeah, we get it. No one should have ever drawn conclusions about Tuiaki

vegas guey

7/11/24 3:24pm

Doh!! Owned him there. The idea that no one can evaluate what a coach is doing

kotacoug

7/11/24 3:40pm

One doesn't have to be a firefighter to know that the house is on fire.

gopman

7/11/24 3:45pm

True, but knowing how the fire started, and how to put it out is where I would

TheRowdy

7/11/24 3:56pm

If your house was on fire & you saw a 5'0" ft. -90 lbs. female firefighter

gopman

7/11/24 4:06pm

you're analogy falls apart right there... because you are incapable of knowing

TheRowdy

7/11/24 5:26pm

You didn't answer my question & we all know why. Your premise

gopman

7/11/24 5:36pm

Telling someone to "scurry along" is a nice cop out.

TheRowdy

7/11/24 5:41pm

By counter examples, I mean people who have called for heads prematurely

TheRowdy

7/11/24 3:21pm

And don’t forget Chow

MadHawaiian

7/11/24 8:37pm

So a bunch of other coaches that weren't anything to write home about similarly

OKchief

7/11/24 8:38pm

Ah the classic "coaches know better than fans" post

Huge Manatee

7/11/24 2:22pm

Oversimplification post that doesn't defend being a worthless critic.

TheRowdy

7/11/24 2:22pm

Fans should never have an opinion. Most people should not be allowed to vote b/c

Forzaitalia

7/11/24 6:44pm

I just wish KS would forget he can dial up a fake punt on 4th and 20

Mitty

7/11/24 2:26pm

Keep that energy all season long.

deliciousmocha

7/11/24 2:27pm

As the dad of a player, I can tell you that the boys love him and play hard

cornellcoug

7/11/24 2:29pm

RE: As the dad of a player, I can tell you that the boys love him and play hard

gangbusters

7/11/24 2:30pm

Of course they love him… but that doesn’t necessarily mean that’s the best for

kotacoug

7/11/24 2:32pm

Which means for guys like LaVell, whom everyone loved

Indy Coug

7/11/24 2:34pm

Not everyone loved Lavell… but lavell also had significantly more skill in

kotacoug

7/11/24 2:48pm

I’m sure you didn’t love LaVell either. But we’re not talking about permanently jaded fans.

Indy Coug

7/11/24 3:21pm

I thought he did a fantastic job but the more ‘nice’ he got the worse he got as

kotacoug

7/11/24 3:42pm

Having lived with a bunch of football players

Indy Coug

7/11/24 3:52pm

Having been a son of a BYU coach, a player and fan a LONG time, I heard plenty

Threw and Through

7/11/24 6:57pm

I really appreciate this and I have no doubt that's the case...

Coug

7/11/24 2:44pm

40+ years of byu fandom introspection. Kalani is a great dude. Average coach. BYU needs a great coach because we have

Haysom Till

7/11/24 2:31pm

Yep can’t really argue against that

kotacoug

7/11/24 2:33pm

What about post game film review?

Longseason

7/11/24 2:41pm

Opinions stated as fact that you are not as qualified to opine on as those close

TheRowdy

7/11/24 2:53pm

Though you're nitpicking the post as just an opinion, you can't argue that Kalani is more than an average coach.

Preppy

7/11/24 6:01pm

I'm not an expert and I bag on him, does that mean I get a pass?

Longseason

7/11/24 2:40pm

I hate these types of posts. Basically you can't ever say anything bad about a

kimdaddy35

7/11/24 2:47pm

Did I tell you what to say? Maybe you hate them because you recognize the truth?

TheRowdy

7/11/24 3:07pm

LOL, first you say it is counter productive. I would say counter productive

kimdaddy35

7/11/24 3:47pm

Amazing stats! You better send them in to the BYU AD! I'm sure he's unaware.

TheRowdy

7/12/24 11:18am

Just because you know 5% about what is going on don't assume I know 5% about

kimdaddy35

7/12/24 12:36pm

You're drawing a lot of conclusions. Yes, I assume you don't know what

TheRowdy

7/12/24 1:01pm

On the contrary, it causes pressure which forces those in charge to make changes

Huge Manatee

7/11/24 4:09pm

That's your hope. I believe (with examples) it backfires.

TheRowdy

7/11/24 5:30pm

Wow, your comments get worse and worse. I mean can you imagine a fan base so

kimdaddy35

7/11/24 8:25pm

TCU, Texas, WVU, and ISU. Outscored 161-37. The combined half-time scores of

BerkeleyCoug

7/11/24 2:52pm

That's called cherry picking. If you want to critique those games then go ahead

TheRowdy

7/11/24 3:13pm

Cherry picking? Those were four games in a five game stretch last year!

BerkeleyCoug

7/11/24 6:22pm

RE: Cherry picking? Those were four games in a five game stretch last year!

OldFogey

7/11/24 7:31pm

The players love him and play hard for him though. Lol.

byubyu

7/11/24 4:49pm

It’s more like someone builds you a house

D.T. Survivor

7/11/24 3:09pm

I agree with your continuation of my analogy.

TheRowdy

7/11/24 3:19pm

I get that. We’ve always had a very small coaching pool for football

D.T. Survivor

7/11/24 3:28pm

Let me steel man your argument.

gopman

7/11/24 5:39pm

Well, your summary is incorrect. So your conclusions are incorrect.

TheRowdy

7/11/24 5:44pm

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

gopman

7/11/24 6:03pm

Try reading better. Come back when you do.

TheRowdy

7/11/24 7:46pm

I "steel man" your argument & demonstrated why it was a logical fallacy.

gopman

7/11/24 8:04pm

KS is not in the 5% in his profession.

coolblue

7/11/24 5:47pm

How many head football coaches in the NFL? P4? non P4? HS?

TheRowdy

7/11/24 5:51pm

Another way to evaluate would be to take ALL football coaches and rank by salary

TheRowdy

7/11/24 5:58pm

Look at all the people who have coached football professionally

coventry94

7/11/24 7:11pm

KS’s biggest asset is his Temple Recommend. Without that he’d be a non P4

kotacoug

7/11/24 7:47pm

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HarlemCoug

7/11/24 9:53pm

I agree with much of your post. It is also very common for close

JAGA97

7/11/24 6:05pm

You're right. Because Mike Leach did not play college football he was a terrible

SoBlueitHurts

7/11/24 6:18pm

huh? I said NOTHING about playing football as qualifying.

TheRowdy

7/11/24 7:43pm

Here's a question then. The last few years when people complained and called for

markis_cougarfan

7/11/24 8:15pm

So fans are always right? How about Philly fans WRT Coach Reid?

TheRowdy

7/11/24 10:16pm

If we had been great and then there was a big drop off last year then your

markis_cougarfan

7/12/24 9:00am

Looking forward to this year. Go Cougars!

Mark

7/11/24 8:24pm

This is a beta post that ignores reality. Do better.

Haysom Till

7/11/24 10:21pm

So, you’re saying that we are all too stupid to have an opinion? Just keep

GilbertAZCougar

7/11/24 10:22pm

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