False. LaVell was very knowledgeable about the West Coast Offense

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Jun 2, 2024
7:33:40am

gopman Troublemaker

False. LaVell was very knowledgeable about the West Coast Offense

and football in general. He had been the defensive coordinator before at BYU under Hudspeth. It's been mentioned by many who knew LaVell far better than you & I that LaVell decided to go with the passing attack BECAUSE he was the defensive coordinator & knew it gave BYU the best chance to succeed.

There have also been numerous reports of LaVell having "in-depth" conversations with other head coaches about the West Coast Offense. LaVell knew his X's & O's.

Yes, he allowed Dewey Warren, Doug Scoville, Wally English,, Ted Tolner, Mike Holmgren & Norm Chow/Roger French to call plays but LaVell knew his stuff. He wasn't "out of the loop" on the offense.

The myth that LaVell didn't "know much" should've died long ago.

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Why all the Kalani Hate?

myfriendryan

6/1/24 1:55pm

People suck that’s why.

6/1/24 1:57pm

Or they're just looking at the situation in a simple-minded way

MaxxPower

6/1/24 3:23pm

Certainly true for one game or even one season. We have 8 full seasons of data.

Forzaitalia

6/1/24 3:32pm

Great point. You're right. The better perspective would be to analyze Kalani's

MaxxPower

6/1/24 5:18pm

Do you watch the team play? There are issues everywhere

TNT

6/1/24 1:57pm

Yes, haven’t missed a game in years.

myfriendryan

6/1/24 2:07pm

When Jay Hill was hired, he immediately started signing great recruits

Zip

6/1/24 2:16pm

Has Kalani learned ANYTHING in the previous 9 yrs? No. Still clueless.

TeeKaa

6/1/24 2:29pm

Fact check: 100% true unfortunately.

gopman

6/1/24 3:33pm

Please Elaborate:

myfriendryan

6/1/24 3:45pm

Respectable results? Besides covid-affected 2020 & 2021 what

gopman

6/1/24 3:56pm

BYU hasn’t been relevant since 2009 (except for Kalani led 2020 & 2021)

arcawley

6/1/24 5:34pm

jay hill was hired going into the first year of being P5. that had a LOT to do with it. not everything, but a lot

FieroCoug

6/2/24 6:37am

The only game that mattered in 2020 was lost. And it was against the 7th or 8th best football team in the Carolinas.

Blue2thebone

6/1/24 9:03pm

Wrong. Not even close. Lost to a ranked team traveling across the country on 2

NYC and Japan

6/1/24 10:55pm

2020 was fun--& undeniably an asterisk year filled with cupcakes. It has padded

Forzaitalia

6/1/24 11:41pm

Because he loses a fair number of games that should be wins.

Squirt

6/1/24 1:58pm

And wins a fair number that should be losses

arcawley

6/1/24 5:35pm

Has anyone added up should-have-been-losses and should-have-been-wins?

Ripliancum

6/1/24 8:32pm

Only 2 out of 8?

6/1/24 1:58pm

This has GOTTA be a reverse. Cause Kalani is a horrible coach.

TeeKaa

6/1/24 1:58pm

RE: This has GOTTA be a reverse. Cause Kalani is horrible.

OldFogey

6/1/24 7:53pm

RE: Why all the Kalani Hate?

Tio

6/1/24 1:58pm

I think some of it has to do with the inaction or slow action toward issues

Zip

6/1/24 2:00pm

He put his buddy ahead of the program

TNT

6/1/24 2:02pm

He seems slow to realize somebody isn't getting the job done

Zip

6/1/24 2:06pm

That indicates incompetence

TNT

6/1/24 2:16pm

No, he just gives people a more than fair amount of time to make appropriate

kC Cougar

6/1/24 2:45pm

First sign of adversity? Fans would have been happy if Tuiaki was let go a

bluesloth

6/1/24 2:52pm

Tuiaki NEVER should have been hired in ANY capacity. But as DC - lol lol lol lol

TeeKaa

6/1/24 3:09pm

If Detmer was going to be canned, Tuiaki should have been.

DeepCCoug

6/2/24 12:52am

Seems to me he learned from Lavelle and runs the program like Lavelle did.

6/1/24 2:57pm

Except LaVell knew about football, and hired those who knew football. KS, LOL

TeeKaa

6/1/24 3:11pm

Correct. Unfortunately Kalani is no where near like LaVell & it

gopman

6/1/24 3:25pm

Lavelle knew a lot less about football than Kalani. And his record against

Threw and Through

6/1/24 7:10pm

What? This has to be TIC. LaVell revolutionized the game with

gopman

6/1/24 7:45pm

No, not TIC. LaVell knew very little about the passing game. BYU became great

Threw and Through

6/1/24 9:34pm

LaVel's zenith streak in the middle to late 70's and early eighties carried him

Zip

6/1/24 9:52pm

True. But by the time he got to his last three years, BYU was unsuccessful and

Threw and Through

6/1/24 9:57pm

Yep. Not many people remember or acknowledge that

Zip

6/1/24 10:18pm

I remember. Got tired of hearing, "I don't know why we came out flat, we had a

BYURider

6/2/24 3:22am

Uh, 1996? Also 1994 (10 win season). The 90's weren't too

gopman

6/2/24 7:43am

False. LaVell was very knowledgeable about the West Coast Offense

gopman

6/2/24 7:33am

But you are correct that I spelled his name wrong. That's embarrassing. That's

Threw and Through

6/1/24 9:40pm

Or....or, just hear me out.....Kalani values relationships over results &

gopman

6/1/24 3:37pm

Do you really think the head coach doesn’t care about winning?

myfriendryan

6/1/24 3:49pm

Bromance.

gopman

6/1/24 3:58pm

Right, that’s why Detmer got two years and Tuiaki got seven

ZeldaCoug

6/1/24 7:51pm

Tuiaki had good and even excellent success in multiple years. Detmer didn't.

Threw and Through

6/1/24 9:53pm

In year 8? I've heard of "glacial pace" but good grief....

gopman

6/1/24 3:35pm

Think of the Bromance TNT.......it was special.....it was....

gopman

6/1/24 3:34pm

Did KS actually have the money to hire Jay Hill before last season?

TempeCoug

6/1/24 8:35pm

That's a valid point and one I've considered

Zip

6/1/24 9:09pm

Did you say the same thing about Bronco?

6/1/24 9:10pm

the defense wasn’t good but it wasn’t bad until 2022. fans are ALWAYS ahead of coaches when it comes to complaining.

FieroCoug

6/1/24 2:03pm

Nah - Kalani was complaining plenty about Ty early on and was fine with throwing

foofcoug

6/1/24 2:08pm

yeah that’s cause the offense was actually awful. the defense was good for G5 bad for P5. it was just boring.

FieroCoug

6/1/24 2:31pm

I guess fans aren't ALWAYS ahead of coaches when it comes to complaining then.

foofcoug

6/1/24 2:34pm

or fans were covering up for arguably the worst OC in FBS who had only coached high school. all cause he won a heisman.

FieroCoug

6/1/24 7:40pm

Ty was over one of the absolute worst offenses in all of FBS despite having

6/1/24 4:15pm

It's because he's Polynesian. Bronco had some of the same issues with coaches, but you don't hear people say he was

6/1/24 9:13pm

Nope. Didn't happen. It's a false accusation against a guy who's never

Threw and Through

6/1/24 10:04pm

Exactly correct. I remember thinking at the time how disloyal Sitake was.

DeepCCoug

6/2/24 1:08am

No hate, just this:

HuskerFan2

6/1/24 2:06pm

Not trending well if we keep up more of the same. Need improvements all around

jpal1397

6/1/24 2:18pm

So 29-9 before a P5 transition year where they were close to a bowl game? Solid

arcawley

6/1/24 5:37pm

He asked a question, that is one answer.

HuskerFan2

6/1/24 6:48pm

COVID year was easier than an 80s WAC schedule.

Iman23

6/1/24 2:10pm

Because our late taste of football is 5 losses in a row. 6 month aftertaste.

ochobeeguy

6/1/24 2:22pm

With blowouts suffered from teams with comparable talent to BYU

TNT

6/1/24 2:22pm

No hate. He’s a cool guy. The team is just sloppy in nearly every way. Getting

TarCoug

6/1/24 2:29pm

Good summary

TNT

6/1/24 2:31pm

I want to see him succeed. He's just the sort of guy who deserves it.

DubuMfalme

6/1/24 2:40pm

For the last time, no one hates Kalani the person. But plenty hate losing.

ldssdl

6/1/24 2:35pm

Last season was pretty sad

Heath Squashwell

6/1/24 2:40pm

I gotcha

6/1/24 2:55pm

Fair. I’m gonna watch some film and fix my attitude.

Idacoug

6/1/24 2:56pm

Kalani made BYU football irrelevant. None of us have any personal ill

gopman

6/1/24 3:07pm

I think there are some on this board that have personal ill will towards him.

BYURider

6/1/24 3:11pm

Some are conflating criticism of his coaching performance

gopman

6/1/24 3:23pm

It had already been irrelevant for 7-8 years before Kalani…and were 29-9 before

arcawley

6/1/24 5:38pm

Not so. We made some noise in 2015 with our win at Nebraska.

gopman

6/1/24 6:27pm

One week's noise didn't make us better or more relevant

Threw and Through

6/1/24 11:23pm

No one cares about 8-5 or 9-4 unranked seasons…

arcawley

6/2/24 12:55am

Consistently earning 8-9 win seasons along with the occasional 10 win

gopman

6/2/24 8:02am

Not that smart & fairly lazy. Bad combo for a head coach at a major university.

byubyu

6/1/24 3:17pm

Would you say that to his face?

myfriendryan

6/1/24 3:47pm

Yes. I would tell him it was stupid and lazy to not have the right cleats for a

byubyu

6/1/24 4:00pm

Amazing you can determine all this from watching a 3 hr game in TV once a week.

BYURider

6/1/24 4:15pm

I don't have to be a firefighter to know the house is on fire. Same

gopman

6/1/24 4:33pm

So you know how many hrs a week Kalani and the other lazy coaches put in a week?

BYURider

6/1/24 5:07pm

At those salaries, you don’t get paid for hours worked, you get paid for results

ldssdl

6/1/24 5:48pm

Also 3 or 4 plays from going 3-9. It's objective accountability not hate. That

Forzaitalia

6/1/24 3:25pm

It's more Kalani not-love than Kalani hate.

Ripliancum

6/1/24 3:27pm

We just had a long thread on this very subject. You could read it.

6/1/24 3:47pm

Ok until the nonsense about 2-3 plays from 7-5.

kimdaddy35

6/1/24 4:42pm

Odd part to pick out. Legitimately true. Also 2-3 plays from 3-9

NYC and Japan

6/1/24 11:07pm

And those plays were coaches responsibility to get right and execute correctly

jpal1397

6/2/24 10:58am

Because people like you keep starting conversations like this one.

here's to hoping

6/1/24 5:36pm

Because he isn’t a good coach.

Grock

6/1/24 5:45pm

I don't think anyone "hates" KS. It's just that a lot of us recognize his

TrueBlue67

6/1/24 6:22pm

Many fans are completely fine with mediocrity. I’m not and…

LateToTheGame

6/1/24 6:31pm

Some people can’t differentiate criticism from hate. If you are critical of

cougaman

6/1/24 6:40pm

Makes me wonder if the low bar group ever had to be responsible for managing

Forzaitalia

6/1/24 6:51pm

Criticism: Kalani could improve the team management of timeout usage. Hate:

MaxxPower

6/1/24 9:19pm

There are more criticisms than just that, and he’s been HC for 8 years. I think

cougaman

6/2/24 7:55am

Not hating, but I have my doubts he's got what it takes to make BYU a program

6/1/24 8:02pm

Don’t hate him at all. I want him to win. In the XII. Hopefully it happens

6/1/24 8:44pm

It’s not hate at all. It’s just being real and accepting the fact that we don’t have a football coach that moves the

Blue2thebone

6/1/24 9:01pm

It’s been nearly impossible to have losing seasons with our schedule so that benchmark doesn’t work

Blue2thebone

6/2/24 12:43am

re “Not many coaches that were hired the same year he was are still around.”

Blue2thebone

6/2/24 12:45am

Cause we got a sector of whinny, unrealistic fans in our fanbase.

nitestal

6/2/24 9:00am

Because fans saw the issues on defense for years yet he hung onto the coaches.

6/2/24 11:17am

Good, Better, Best- he is a “good” coach, not the Best but good has always been

6/2/24 1:47pm

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