What? This has to be TIC. LaVell revolutionized the game with

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Jun 1, 2024
7:45:42pm

gopman Troublemaker

What? This has to be TIC. LaVell revolutionized the game with

the passing attack. He knew the X's & O's.

There were stories were LaVell was talking to other head coaches (Paterno, RC Slocum, etc) & he was able to give in depth & highly analytical thoughts on the West Coast Offense & football in general.

You're also spelling his name wrong.

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Why all the Kalani Hate?

myfriendryan

Jun 1, 1:55pm

People suck that’s why.

Jun 1, 1:57pm

Or they're just looking at the situation in a simple-minded way

MaxxPower

Jun 1, 3:23pm

Certainly true for one game or even one season. We have 8 full seasons of data.

Forzaitalia

Jun 1, 3:32pm

Great point. You're right. The better perspective would be to analyze Kalani's

MaxxPower

Jun 1, 5:18pm

Do you watch the team play? There are issues everywhere

TNT

Jun 1, 1:57pm

Yes, haven’t missed a game in years.

myfriendryan

Jun 1, 2:07pm

Then you're part of the problem. Thn cause I can play eight year olds and go

Jun 1, 2:15pm

I guess that somehow was logical?

OldFogey

Jun 1, 7:52pm

When Jay Hill was hired, he immediately started signing great recruits

Zip

Jun 1, 2:16pm

Has Kalani learned ANYTHING in the previous 9 yrs? No. Still clueless.

TeeKaa

Jun 1, 2:29pm

Fact check: 100% true unfortunately.

gopman

Jun 1, 3:33pm

Please Elaborate:

myfriendryan

Jun 1, 3:45pm

Respectable results? Besides covid-affected 2020 & 2021 what

gopman

Jun 1, 3:56pm

BYU hasn’t been relevant since 2009 (except for Kalani led 2020 & 2021)

arcawley

Jun 1, 5:34pm

jay hill was hired going into the first year of being P5. that had a LOT to do with it. not everything, but a lot

FieroCoug

Jun 2, 6:37am

The only game that mattered in 2020 was lost. And it was against the 7th or 8th best football team in the Carolinas.

Blue2thebone

Jun 1, 9:03pm

Wrong. Not even close. Lost to a ranked team traveling across the country on 2

NYC and Japan

Jun 1, 10:55pm

2020 was fun--& undeniably an asterisk year filled with cupcakes. It has padded

Forzaitalia

Jun 1, 11:41pm

Because he loses a fair number of games that should be wins.

Squirt

Jun 1, 1:58pm

And wins a fair number that should be losses

arcawley

Jun 1, 5:35pm

Has anyone added up should-have-been-losses and should-have-been-wins?

Ripliancum

Jun 1, 8:32pm

Only 2 out of 8?

Jun 1, 1:58pm

This has GOTTA be a reverse. Cause Kalani is a horrible coach.

TeeKaa

Jun 1, 1:58pm

RE: This has GOTTA be a reverse. Cause Kalani is horrible.

OldFogey

Jun 1, 7:53pm

RE: Why all the Kalani Hate?

Tio

Jun 1, 1:58pm

I think some of it has to do with the inaction or slow action toward issues

Zip

Jun 1, 2:00pm

He put his buddy ahead of the program

TNT

Jun 1, 2:02pm

He seems slow to realize somebody isn't getting the job done

Zip

Jun 1, 2:06pm

That indicates incompetence

TNT

Jun 1, 2:16pm

No, he just gives people a more than fair amount of time to make appropriate

kC Cougar

Jun 1, 2:45pm

First sign of adversity? Fans would have been happy if Tuiaki was let go a

bluesloth

Jun 1, 2:52pm

Tuiaki NEVER should have been hired in ANY capacity. But as DC - lol lol lol lol

TeeKaa

Jun 1, 3:09pm

If Detmer was going to be canned, Tuiaki should have been.

DeepCCoug

Jun 2, 12:52am

Seems to me he learned from Lavelle and runs the program like Lavelle did.

Jun 1, 2:57pm

Except LaVell knew about football, and hired those who knew football. KS, LOL

TeeKaa

Jun 1, 3:11pm

Correct. Unfortunately Kalani is no where near like LaVell & it

gopman

Jun 1, 3:25pm

Lavelle knew a lot less about football than Kalani. And his record against

Threw and Through

Jun 1, 7:10pm

What? This has to be TIC. LaVell revolutionized the game with

gopman

Jun 1, 7:45pm

No, not TIC. LaVell knew very little about the passing game. BYU became great

Threw and Through

Jun 1, 9:34pm

LaVel's zenith streak in the middle to late 70's and early eighties carried him

Zip

Jun 1, 9:52pm

True. But by the time he got to his last three years, BYU was unsuccessful and

Threw and Through

Jun 1, 9:57pm

Yep. Not many people remember or acknowledge that

Zip

Jun 1, 10:18pm

I remember. Got tired of hearing, "I don't know why we came out flat, we had a

BYURider

Jun 2, 3:22am

Uh, 1996? Also 1994 (10 win season). The 90's weren't too

gopman

Jun 2, 7:43am

False. LaVell was very knowledgeable about the West Coast Offense

gopman

Jun 2, 7:33am

But you are correct that I spelled his name wrong. That's embarrassing. That's

Threw and Through

Jun 1, 9:40pm

Or....or, just hear me out.....Kalani values relationships over results &

gopman

Jun 1, 3:37pm

Do you really think the head coach doesn’t care about winning?

myfriendryan

Jun 1, 3:49pm

Bromance.

gopman

Jun 1, 3:58pm

Right, that’s why Detmer got two years and Tuiaki got seven

ZeldaCoug

Jun 1, 7:51pm

Tuiaki had good and even excellent success in multiple years. Detmer didn't.

Threw and Through

Jun 1, 9:53pm

In year 8? I've heard of "glacial pace" but good grief....

gopman

Jun 1, 3:35pm

Think of the Bromance TNT.......it was special.....it was....

gopman

Jun 1, 3:34pm

Did KS actually have the money to hire Jay Hill before last season?

TempeCoug

Jun 1, 8:35pm

That's a valid point and one I've considered

Zip

Jun 1, 9:09pm

Did you say the same thing about Bronco?

Jun 1, 9:10pm

the defense wasn’t good but it wasn’t bad until 2022. fans are ALWAYS ahead of coaches when it comes to complaining.

FieroCoug

Jun 1, 2:03pm

Nah - Kalani was complaining plenty about Ty early on and was fine with throwing

foofcoug

Jun 1, 2:08pm

yeah that’s cause the offense was actually awful. the defense was good for G5 bad for P5. it was just boring.

FieroCoug

Jun 1, 2:31pm

I guess fans aren't ALWAYS ahead of coaches when it comes to complaining then.

foofcoug

Jun 1, 2:34pm

or fans were covering up for arguably the worst OC in FBS who had only coached high school. all cause he won a heisman.

FieroCoug

Jun 1, 7:40pm

Ty was over one of the absolute worst offenses in all of FBS despite having

Jun 1, 4:15pm

It's because he's Polynesian. Bronco had some of the same issues with coaches, but you don't hear people say he was

Jun 1, 9:13pm

Nope. Didn't happen. It's a false accusation against a guy who's never

Threw and Through

Jun 1, 10:04pm

Exactly correct. I remember thinking at the time how disloyal Sitake was.

DeepCCoug

Jun 2, 1:08am

It was terrible it had too decent

Jun 1, 2:34pm

No hate, just this:

HuskerFan2

Jun 1, 2:06pm

Not trending well if we keep up more of the same. Need improvements all around

jpal1397

Jun 1, 2:18pm

So 29-9 before a P5 transition year where they were close to a bowl game? Solid

arcawley

Jun 1, 5:37pm

He asked a question, that is one answer.

HuskerFan2

Jun 1, 6:48pm

Yeah, ignore the fact that that 2020 schedule is a fake stat. Schedule

Jun 1, 8:57pm

So 2021 gets thrown out too?

HuskerFan2

Jun 1, 10:01pm

One of those things is not like the others

Jun 1, 8:56pm

Tuiaki. Any more questions?

Jun 1, 2:08pm

Too low IQ to realize that dopey, passive defense wasn't a draw for top recruits

vegas guey

Jun 1, 7:12pm

COVID year was easier than an 80s WAC schedule.

Iman23

Jun 1, 2:10pm

Because our late taste of football is 5 losses in a row. 6 month aftertaste.

ochobeeguy

Jun 1, 2:22pm

With blowouts suffered from teams with comparable talent to BYU

TNT

Jun 1, 2:22pm

No hate. He’s a cool guy. The team is just sloppy in nearly every way. Getting

TarCoug

Jun 1, 2:29pm

Good summary

TNT

Jun 1, 2:31pm

I want to see him succeed. He's just the sort of guy who deserves it.

DubuMfalme

Jun 1, 2:40pm

For the last time, no one hates Kalani the person. But plenty hate losing.

ldssdl

Jun 1, 2:35pm

Last season was pretty sad

Heath Squashwell

Jun 1, 2:40pm

I gotcha

Jun 1, 2:55pm

Fair. I’m gonna watch some film and fix my attitude.

Idacoug

Jun 1, 2:56pm

Kalani made BYU football irrelevant. None of us have any personal ill

gopman

Jun 1, 3:07pm

I think there are some on this board that have personal ill will towards him.

BYURider

Jun 1, 3:11pm

Some are conflating criticism of his coaching performance

gopman

Jun 1, 3:23pm

It had already been irrelevant for 7-8 years before Kalani…and were 29-9 before

arcawley

Jun 1, 5:38pm

Not so. We made some noise in 2015 with our win at Nebraska.

gopman

Jun 1, 6:27pm

One week's noise didn't make us better or more relevant

Threw and Through

Jun 1, 11:23pm

No one cares about 8-5 or 9-4 unranked seasons…

arcawley

Jun 2, 12:55am

Consistently earning 8-9 win seasons along with the occasional 10 win

gopman

Jun 2, 8:02am

Not that smart & fairly lazy. Bad combo for a head coach at a major university.

byubyu

Jun 1, 3:17pm

Would you say that to his face?

myfriendryan

Jun 1, 3:47pm

Yes. I would tell him it was stupid and lazy to not have the right cleats for a

byubyu

Jun 1, 4:00pm

Amazing you can determine all this from watching a 3 hr game in TV once a week.

BYURider

Jun 1, 4:15pm

I don't have to be a firefighter to know the house is on fire. Same

gopman

Jun 1, 4:33pm

So you know how many hrs a week Kalani and the other lazy coaches put in a week?

BYURider

Jun 1, 5:07pm

At those salaries, you don’t get paid for hours worked, you get paid for results

ldssdl

Jun 1, 5:48pm

Also 3 or 4 plays from going 3-9. It's objective accountability not hate. That

Forzaitalia

Jun 1, 3:25pm

It's more Kalani not-love than Kalani hate.

Ripliancum

Jun 1, 3:27pm

We just had a long thread on this very subject. You could read it.

Jun 1, 3:47pm

Because people like you keep starting conversations like this one.

here's to hoping

Jun 1, 5:36pm

Because he isn’t a good coach.

Grock

Jun 1, 5:45pm

I don't think anyone "hates" KS. It's just that a lot of us recognize his

TrueBlue67

Jun 1, 6:22pm

Many fans are completely fine with mediocrity. I’m not and…

LateToTheGame

Jun 1, 6:31pm

Some people can’t differentiate criticism from hate. If you are critical of

cougaman

Jun 1, 6:40pm

Makes me wonder if the low bar group ever had to be responsible for managing

Forzaitalia

Jun 1, 6:51pm

Criticism: Kalani could improve the team management of timeout usage. Hate:

MaxxPower

Jun 1, 9:19pm

There are more criticisms than just that, and he’s been HC for 8 years. I think

cougaman

Jun 2, 7:55am

Not hating, but I have my doubts he's got what it takes to make BYU a program

Jun 1, 8:02pm

Don’t hate him at all. I want him to win. In the XII. Hopefully it happens

Jun 1, 8:44pm

It’s not hate at all. It’s just being real and accepting the fact that we don’t have a football coach that moves the

Blue2thebone

Jun 1, 9:01pm

It’s been nearly impossible to have losing seasons with our schedule so that benchmark doesn’t work

Blue2thebone

Jun 2, 12:43am

re “Not many coaches that were hired the same year he was are still around.”

Blue2thebone

Jun 2, 12:45am

Cause we got a sector of whinny, unrealistic fans in our fanbase.

nitestal

Jun 2, 9:00am

I think we have fans that don't know football on our board Us winners as you cal

Jun 2, 11:47am

Tuiaki took a year off and now is DL coach at Oregon State, FYI.

BYURider

Jun 2, 1:01pm

Because fans saw the issues on defense for years yet he hung onto the coaches.

Jun 2, 11:17am

Good, Better, Best- he is a “good” coach, not the Best but good has always been

Jun 2, 1:47pm

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