Though you're nitpicking the post as just an opinion, you can't argue that Kalani is more than an average coach.

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Jul 11, 2024
6:01:32pm

Preppy All-American

Though you're nitpicking the post as just an opinion, you can't argue that Kalani is more than an average coach.

Kalani is a great BYU ambassador.

He's said that he wants to be the Poly Lavell....but the only thing I've seen that hints of being like Lavell is attempting to be a player's coach.

But, lavell managed his coaches. He innovated and brought in innovators. He made the hires and changed BYU football forever.

Kalani is not moving the needle in any areas other than being a great BYU ambassador and a great player's coach.

Jay Hill is the first good hire. You could probably throw in Grimes too, at that time. We need more of those hires in each position.

Kalani is the football CEO. The product is average right now. No way around it.

He has a grace period for entering the B12 and ramping up, but I'm curious to see how long that lasts and if Kalani can get the better coaches and recruits

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All the "experts" here who bag on Kalani need to have some introspection.

TheRowdy

Jul 11, 2:13pm

Problem with Kalani is he loses too many games that he should win. That’s a BIG

Squirt

Jul 11, 2:15pm

He's also won a lot of games he shouldn't, and those have been awesome.

TheRowdy

Jul 11, 2:16pm

Beating Wisconsin @ Camp Randall, MissSt at LES (maybe a slight up

Forzaitalia

Jul 11, 4:42pm

Funny thing is several of those games you listed that he lost came to good teams

arcawley

Jul 11, 5:13pm

They were bad losses. You didn't list the LSU never cross the 50 embarassment.

Forzaitalia

Jul 11, 5:29pm

The LSU loss was not on coaching, they were better football players at every

BYURider

Jul 11, 5:49pm

When you can't cross the 50, of course the other side is far superior. It was

Forzaitalia

Jul 11, 6:17pm

Let's see. LSU 2017. Finished #18. 1st game, BYU. BYU's second game. BYU doesn't

BYUDM93

Jul 11, 7:14pm

Watching the game, they had their way with us. BYU was out-classed.

BYURider

Jul 11, 7:31pm

I am not advocating ignoring those. I bring them up because I think we should

TheRowdy

Jul 11, 5:24pm

SMH. Same could be said about LaVell, Crowton, and Bronco.

ManicBlue

Jul 11, 2:17pm

Sports is like art. It's easy to spot a bad job. It's hard to know why it's

Jul 11, 2:16pm

LOL... I remember these same type of posts about Crowton, Bronco, Anae, Tuiaki, Detmer...

Coug

Jul 11, 2:16pm

lol yep. When you are one of a 100 in the world in your profession you

kotacoug

Jul 11, 2:19pm

What does that prove? How about counter examples?

TheRowdy

Jul 11, 2:19pm

Counter examples? Recruiting... it's a mess... organization and planning...

Coug

Jul 11, 2:27pm

He’s not on the level of other head coaches in D1.

kotacoug

Jul 11, 2:31pm

I think Kalani would make a great Sun Belt coach

Coug

Jul 11, 2:32pm

True. He’d also make a great ambassador for the athletic dept and or school.

kotacoug

Jul 11, 2:44pm

I assert that you are not qualified to offer that opinion credibly.

TheRowdy

Jul 11, 2:51pm

Yeah, we get it. No one should have ever drawn conclusions about Tuiaki

vegas guey

Jul 11, 3:24pm

Doh!! Owned him there. The idea that no one can evaluate what a coach is doing

kotacoug

Jul 11, 3:40pm

One doesn't have to be a firefighter to know that the house is on fire.

gopman

Jul 11, 3:45pm

True, but knowing how the fire started, and how to put it out is where I would

TheRowdy

Jul 11, 3:56pm

If your house was on fire & you saw a 5'0" ft. -90 lbs. female firefighter

gopman

Jul 11, 4:06pm

you're analogy falls apart right there... because you are incapable of knowing

TheRowdy

Jul 11, 5:26pm

You didn't answer my question & we all know why. Your premise

gopman

Jul 11, 5:36pm

Telling someone to "scurry along" is a nice cop out.

TheRowdy

Jul 11, 5:41pm

By counter examples, I mean people who have called for heads prematurely

TheRowdy

Jul 11, 3:21pm

And don’t forget Chow

MadHawaiian

Jul 11, 8:37pm

So a bunch of other coaches that weren't anything to write home about similarly

OKchief

Jul 11, 8:38pm

Ah the classic "coaches know better than fans" post

Jul 11, 2:22pm

Oversimplification post that doesn't defend being a worthless critic.

TheRowdy

Jul 11, 2:22pm

Fans should never have an opinion. Most people should not be allowed to vote b/c

Forzaitalia

Jul 11, 6:44pm

I just wish KS would forget he can dial up a fake punt on 4th and 20

Mitty

Jul 11, 2:26pm

Keep that energy all season long.

Jul 11, 2:27pm

As the dad of a player, I can tell you that the boys love him and play hard

cornellcoug

Jul 11, 2:29pm

RE: As the dad of a player, I can tell you that the boys love him and play hard

gangbusters

Jul 11, 2:30pm

Of course they love him… but that doesn’t necessarily mean that’s the best for

kotacoug

Jul 11, 2:32pm

Which means for guys like LaVell, whom everyone loved

Indy Coug

Jul 11, 2:34pm

Not everyone loved Lavell… but lavell also had significantly more skill in

kotacoug

Jul 11, 2:48pm

I’m sure you didn’t love LaVell either. But we’re not talking about permanently jaded fans.

Indy Coug

Jul 11, 3:21pm

I thought he did a fantastic job but the more ‘nice’ he got the worse he got as

kotacoug

Jul 11, 3:42pm

Having lived with a bunch of football players

Indy Coug

Jul 11, 3:52pm

Having been a son of a BYU coach, a player and fan a LONG time, I heard plenty

Threw and Through

Jul 11, 6:57pm

I really appreciate this and I have no doubt that's the case...

Coug

Jul 11, 2:44pm

40+ years of byu fandom introspection. Kalani is a great dude. Average coach. BYU needs a great coach because we have

Haysom Till

Jul 11, 2:31pm

Yep can’t really argue against that

kotacoug

Jul 11, 2:33pm

What about post game film review?

Longseason

Jul 11, 2:41pm

Opinions stated as fact that you are not as qualified to opine on as those close

TheRowdy

Jul 11, 2:53pm

Though you're nitpicking the post as just an opinion, you can't argue that Kalani is more than an average coach.

Preppy

Jul 11, 6:01pm

I'm not an expert and I bag on him, does that mean I get a pass?

Longseason

Jul 11, 2:40pm

TCU, Texas, WVU, and ISU. Outscored 161-37. The combined half-time scores of

Jul 11, 2:52pm

That's called cherry picking. If you want to critique those games then go ahead

TheRowdy

Jul 11, 3:13pm

Cherry picking? Those were four games in a five game stretch last year!

Jul 11, 6:22pm

RE: Cherry picking? Those were four games in a five game stretch last year!

OldFogey

Jul 11, 7:31pm

The players love him and play hard for him though. Lol.

byubyu

Jul 11, 4:49pm

It’s more like someone builds you a house

Jul 11, 3:09pm

I agree with your continuation of my analogy.

TheRowdy

Jul 11, 3:19pm

I get that. We’ve always had a very small coaching pool for football

Jul 11, 3:28pm

Let me steel man your argument.

gopman

Jul 11, 5:39pm

Well, your summary is incorrect. So your conclusions are incorrect.

TheRowdy

Jul 11, 5:44pm

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

gopman

Jul 11, 6:03pm

Try reading better. Come back when you do.

TheRowdy

Jul 11, 7:46pm

I "steel man" your argument & demonstrated why it was a logical fallacy.

gopman

Jul 11, 8:04pm

KS is not in the 5% in his profession.

coolblue

Jul 11, 5:47pm

How many head football coaches in the NFL? P4? non P4? HS?

TheRowdy

Jul 11, 5:51pm

Another way to evaluate would be to take ALL football coaches and rank by salary

TheRowdy

Jul 11, 5:58pm

Look at all the people who have coached football professionally

coventry94

Jul 11, 7:11pm

KS’s biggest asset is his Temple Recommend. Without that he’d be a non P4

kotacoug

Jul 11, 7:47pm

Oregon offered him $8/m per year. It seems they disagree with you about Kalani's talents.

HarlemCoug

Jul 11, 9:53pm

I agree with much of your post. It is also very common for close

JAGA97

Jul 11, 6:05pm

You're right. Because Mike Leach did not play college football he was a terrible

SoBlueitHurts

Jul 11, 6:18pm

huh? I said NOTHING about playing football as qualifying.

TheRowdy

Jul 11, 7:43pm

Here's a question then. The last few years when people complained and called for

markis_cougarfan

Jul 11, 8:15pm

So fans are always right? How about Philly fans WRT Coach Reid?

TheRowdy

Jul 11, 10:16pm

If we had been great and then there was a big drop off last year then your

markis_cougarfan

Jul 12, 9:00am

Looking forward to this year. Go Cougars!

Mark

Jul 11, 8:24pm

This is a beta post that ignores reality. Do better.

Haysom Till

Jul 11, 10:21pm

So, you’re saying that we are all too stupid to have an opinion? Just keep

GilbertAZCougar

Jul 11, 10:22pm

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