If Detmer was going to be canned, Tuiaki should have been.

Jun 2, 2024
12:52:43am

DeepCCoug Contributor

Tuiaki's defenses were always bad, and he didn't have the excuses of injuries that Detmer did. Sitake should have let Tuiaki go at the same time Detmer went. He didn't, because Tuiaki was his bud. Sitake's favoritism hurt the program badly.

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Time

Why all the Kalani Hate?

myfriendryan

Jun 1, 1:55pm

People suck that’s why.

A Drew Aitch

Jun 1, 1:57pm

Or they're just looking at the situation in a simple-minded way

MaxxPower

Jun 1, 3:23pm

Certainly true for one game or even one season. We have 8 full seasons of data.

Forzaitalia

Jun 1, 3:32pm

Great point. You're right. The better perspective would be to analyze Kalani's

MaxxPower

Jun 1, 5:18pm

Do you watch the team play? There are issues everywhere

TNT

Jun 1, 1:57pm

Yes, haven’t missed a game in years.

myfriendryan

Jun 1, 2:07pm

Then you're part of the problem. Thn cause I can play eight year olds and go

CarolinaCoug

Jun 1, 2:15pm

I guess that somehow was logical?

OldFogey

Jun 1, 7:52pm

When Jay Hill was hired, he immediately started signing great recruits

Zip

Jun 1, 2:16pm

Has Kalani learned ANYTHING in the previous 9 yrs? No. Still clueless.

TeeKaa

Jun 1, 2:29pm

Fact check: 100% true unfortunately.

gopman

Jun 1, 3:33pm

Please Elaborate:

myfriendryan

Jun 1, 3:45pm

Respectable results? Besides covid-affected 2020 & 2021 what

gopman

Jun 1, 3:56pm

BYU hasn’t been relevant since 2009 (except for Kalani led 2020 & 2021)

arcawley

Jun 1, 5:34pm

jay hill was hired going into the first year of being P5. that had a LOT to do with it. not everything, but a lot

FieroCoug

Jun 2, 6:37am

The only game that mattered in 2020 was lost. And it was against the 7th or 8th best football team in the Carolinas.

Blue2thebone

Jun 1, 9:03pm

Wrong. Not even close. Lost to a ranked team traveling across the country on 2

NYC and Japan

Jun 1, 10:55pm

2020 was fun--& undeniably an asterisk year filled with cupcakes. It has padded

Forzaitalia

Jun 1, 11:41pm

Because he loses a fair number of games that should be wins.

Squirt

Jun 1, 1:58pm

And wins a fair number that should be losses

arcawley

Jun 1, 5:35pm

Has anyone added up should-have-been-losses and should-have-been-wins?

Ripliancum

Jun 1, 8:32pm

Only 2 out of 8?

deliciousmocha

Jun 1, 1:58pm

This has GOTTA be a reverse. Cause Kalani is a horrible coach.

TeeKaa

Jun 1, 1:58pm

RE: This has GOTTA be a reverse. Cause Kalani is horrible.

OldFogey

Jun 1, 7:53pm

RE: Why all the Kalani Hate?

Tio

Jun 1, 1:58pm

I think some of it has to do with the inaction or slow action toward issues

Zip

Jun 1, 2:00pm

He put his buddy ahead of the program

TNT

Jun 1, 2:02pm

He seems slow to realize somebody isn't getting the job done

Zip

Jun 1, 2:06pm

That indicates incompetence

TNT

Jun 1, 2:16pm

No, he just gives people a more than fair amount of time to make appropriate

kC Cougar

Jun 1, 2:45pm

First sign of adversity? Fans would have been happy if Tuiaki was let go a

bluesloth

Jun 1, 2:52pm

Tuiaki NEVER should have been hired in ANY capacity. But as DC - lol lol lol lol

TeeKaa

Jun 1, 3:09pm

If Detmer was going to be canned, Tuiaki should have been.

DeepCCoug

Jun 2, 12:52am

Seems to me he learned from Lavelle and runs the program like Lavelle did.

So it goes...

Jun 1, 2:57pm

Except LaVell knew about football, and hired those who knew football. KS, LOL

TeeKaa

Jun 1, 3:11pm

Correct. Unfortunately Kalani is no where near like LaVell & it

gopman

Jun 1, 3:25pm

Lavelle knew a lot less about football than Kalani. And his record against

Threw and Through

Jun 1, 7:10pm

What? This has to be TIC. LaVell revolutionized the game with

gopman

Jun 1, 7:45pm

No, not TIC. LaVell knew very little about the passing game. BYU became great

Threw and Through

Jun 1, 9:34pm

LaVel's zenith streak in the middle to late 70's and early eighties carried him

Zip

Jun 1, 9:52pm

True. But by the time he got to his last three years, BYU was unsuccessful and

Threw and Through

Jun 1, 9:57pm

Yep. Not many people remember or acknowledge that

Zip

Jun 1, 10:18pm

I remember. Got tired of hearing, "I don't know why we came out flat, we had a

BYURider

Jun 2, 3:22am

Uh, 1996? Also 1994 (10 win season). The 90's weren't too

gopman

Jun 2, 7:43am

False. LaVell was very knowledgeable about the West Coast Offense

gopman

Jun 2, 7:33am

But you are correct that I spelled his name wrong. That's embarrassing. That's

Threw and Through

Jun 1, 9:40pm

Or....or, just hear me out.....Kalani values relationships over results &

gopman

Jun 1, 3:37pm

Do you really think the head coach doesn’t care about winning?

myfriendryan

Jun 1, 3:49pm

Bromance.

gopman

Jun 1, 3:58pm

Right, that’s why Detmer got two years and Tuiaki got seven

ZeldaCoug

Jun 1, 7:51pm

Tuiaki had good and even excellent success in multiple years. Detmer didn't.

Threw and Through

Jun 1, 9:53pm

In year 8? I've heard of "glacial pace" but good grief....

gopman

Jun 1, 3:35pm

Think of the Bromance TNT.......it was special.....it was....

gopman

Jun 1, 3:34pm

Did KS actually have the money to hire Jay Hill before last season?

TempeCoug

Jun 1, 8:35pm

That's a valid point and one I've considered

Zip

Jun 1, 9:09pm

Did you say the same thing about Bronco?

TheLoneCougar

Jun 1, 9:10pm

the defense wasn’t good but it wasn’t bad until 2022. fans are ALWAYS ahead of coaches when it comes to complaining.

FieroCoug

Jun 1, 2:03pm

Nah - Kalani was complaining plenty about Ty early on and was fine with throwing

foofcoug

Jun 1, 2:08pm

yeah that’s cause the offense was actually awful. the defense was good for G5 bad for P5. it was just boring.

FieroCoug

Jun 1, 2:31pm

I guess fans aren't ALWAYS ahead of coaches when it comes to complaining then.

foofcoug

Jun 1, 2:34pm

or fans were covering up for arguably the worst OC in FBS who had only coached high school. all cause he won a heisman.

FieroCoug

Jun 1, 7:40pm

Ty was over one of the absolute worst offenses in all of FBS despite having

Rise Against

Jun 1, 4:15pm

It's because he's Polynesian. Bronco had some of the same issues with coaches, but you don't hear people say he was

TheLoneCougar

Jun 1, 9:13pm

Nope. Didn't happen. It's a false accusation against a guy who's never

Threw and Through

Jun 1, 10:04pm

Exactly correct. I remember thinking at the time how disloyal Sitake was.

DeepCCoug

Jun 2, 1:08am

It was terrible it had too decent

CarolinaCoug

Jun 1, 2:34pm

No hate, just this:

HuskerFan2

Jun 1, 2:06pm

jpal1397

Jun 1, 2:18pm

So 29-9 before a P5 transition year where they were close to a bowl game? Solid

arcawley

Jun 1, 5:37pm

He asked a question, that is one answer.

HuskerFan2

Jun 1, 6:48pm

Yeah, ignore the fact that that 2020 schedule is a fake stat. Schedule

CarolinaCoug

Jun 1, 8:57pm

So 2021 gets thrown out too?

HuskerFan2

Jun 1, 10:01pm

One of those things is not like the others

CarolinaCoug

Jun 1, 8:56pm

Tuiaki. Any more questions?

CarolinaCoug

Jun 1, 2:08pm

Too low IQ to realize that dopey, passive defense wasn't a draw for top recruits

vegas guey

Jun 1, 7:12pm

COVID year was easier than an 80s WAC schedule.

Iman23

Jun 1, 2:10pm

Because our late taste of football is 5 losses in a row. 6 month aftertaste.

ochobeeguy

Jun 1, 2:22pm

With blowouts suffered from teams with comparable talent to BYU

TNT

Jun 1, 2:22pm

No hate. He’s a cool guy. The team is just sloppy in nearly every way. Getting

TarCoug

Jun 1, 2:29pm

Good summary

TNT

Jun 1, 2:31pm

I want to see him succeed. He's just the sort of guy who deserves it.

DubuMfalme

Jun 1, 2:40pm

For the last time, no one hates Kalani the person. But plenty hate losing.

ldssdl

Jun 1, 2:35pm

Last season was pretty sad

Heath Squashwell

Jun 1, 2:40pm

I gotcha

RealTaysomHill

Jun 1, 2:55pm

Fair. I’m gonna watch some film and fix my attitude.

Idacoug

Jun 1, 2:56pm

Kalani made BYU football irrelevant. None of us have any personal ill

gopman

Jun 1, 3:07pm

I think there are some on this board that have personal ill will towards him.

BYURider

Jun 1, 3:11pm

Some are conflating criticism of his coaching performance

gopman

Jun 1, 3:23pm

It had already been irrelevant for 7-8 years before Kalani…and were 29-9 before

arcawley

Jun 1, 5:38pm

Not so. We made some noise in 2015 with our win at Nebraska.

gopman

Jun 1, 6:27pm

One week's noise didn't make us better or more relevant

Threw and Through

Jun 1, 11:23pm

No one cares about 8-5 or 9-4 unranked seasons…

arcawley

Jun 2, 12:55am

Consistently earning 8-9 win seasons along with the occasional 10 win

gopman

Jun 2, 8:02am

Not that smart & fairly lazy. Bad combo for a head coach at a major university.

byubyu

Jun 1, 3:17pm

Would you say that to his face?

myfriendryan

Jun 1, 3:47pm

Yes. I would tell him it was stupid and lazy to not have the right cleats for a

byubyu

Jun 1, 4:00pm

Amazing you can determine all this from watching a 3 hr game in TV once a week.

BYURider

Jun 1, 4:15pm

I don't have to be a firefighter to know the house is on fire. Same

gopman

Jun 1, 4:33pm

So you know how many hrs a week Kalani and the other lazy coaches put in a week?

BYURider

Jun 1, 5:07pm

At those salaries, you don’t get paid for hours worked, you get paid for results

ldssdl

Jun 1, 5:48pm

Also 3 or 4 plays from going 3-9. It's objective accountability not hate. That

Forzaitalia

Jun 1, 3:25pm

It's more Kalani not-love than Kalani hate.

Ripliancum

Jun 1, 3:27pm

We just had a long thread on this very subject. You could read it.

CougarMandias

Jun 1, 3:47pm

Because people like you keep starting conversations like this one.

here's to hoping

Jun 1, 5:36pm

Because he isn’t a good coach.

Grock

Jun 1, 5:45pm

I don't think anyone "hates" KS. It's just that a lot of us recognize his

TrueBlue67

Jun 1, 6:22pm

Many fans are completely fine with mediocrity. I’m not and…

LateToTheGame

Jun 1, 6:31pm

Some people can’t differentiate criticism from hate. If you are critical of

cougaman

Jun 1, 6:40pm

Makes me wonder if the low bar group ever had to be responsible for managing

Forzaitalia

Jun 1, 6:51pm

Criticism: Kalani could improve the team management of timeout usage. Hate:

MaxxPower

Jun 1, 9:19pm

There are more criticisms than just that, and he’s been HC for 8 years. I think

cougaman

Jun 2, 7:55am

Not hating, but I have my doubts he's got what it takes to make BYU a program

Countcougula

Jun 1, 8:02pm

Don’t hate him at all. I want him to win. In the XII. Hopefully it happens

Ray Shoesmith

Jun 1, 8:44pm

It’s not hate at all. It’s just being real and accepting the fact that we don’t have a football coach that moves the

Blue2thebone

Jun 1, 9:01pm

It’s been nearly impossible to have losing seasons with our schedule so that benchmark doesn’t work

Blue2thebone

Jun 2, 12:43am

re “Not many coaches that were hired the same year he was are still around.”

Blue2thebone

Jun 2, 12:45am

Cause we got a sector of whinny, unrealistic fans in our fanbase.

nitestal

Jun 2, 9:00am

I think we have fans that don't know football on our board Us winners as you cal

CarolinaCoug

Jun 2, 11:47am

Tuiaki took a year off and now is DL coach at Oregon State, FYI.

BYURider

Jun 2, 1:01pm

Because fans saw the issues on defense for years yet he hung onto the coaches.

IceCreamButt

Jun 2, 11:17am

Good, Better, Best- he is a “good” coach, not the Best but good has always been

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