There are good reasons why collusion is rarely explicit

Mar 24, 2025
6:45:20am

Bobber Contributor

Liability is minimized when corrupt leaders can plausibly deny that they ever actually instructed anyone to do anything illegal.

They rely instead on more indirect carrots and sticks that "everyone knows" are tied to specific desired results.

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Bobber

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Question: What exactly are you saying about the refs? Are you saying they

ryanleon

Mar 24, 12:52am

I’ll give you the example of the NBA. A team from a cow town was about to make it to the NBA finals and send the NBA

KYU

Mar 24, 1:04am

^^^ THIS ^^^

WVU_Prof

Mar 24, 5:02am

I think with the rise in sports gambling the possibility of referee corruption

Jimmy the Shank

Mar 24, 5:13am

Probably cheaper than NIL.

RoboKayne

Mar 24, 5:45am

Mark it down. There will be some kind of bombshell exposé on this in a few years

seacougar

Mar 24, 8:05am

People laugh but it's real.

VenomFarmer

Mar 24, 10:58am

I actually don't think college refs are bought and paid for by betting interests

WVU_Prof

Mar 24, 12:38pm

RE: I actually don't think college refs are bought and paid for by betting

VenomFarmer

Mar 24, 3:28pm

So do we think Wisconsin is the darling of the NCAA or a massively larger brand than BYU?

krindorr

Mar 24, 7:29am

No, but there are plenty of reasons a ref might use to hate BYU.

The Old Y

Mar 24, 7:42am

Big 10. Millions of reasons the Big Ten would want to try to keep up with the SEC and separate themselves from

KYU

Mar 24, 7:45am

B1G and SEC are the power brokers of the NCAA right now. There is a noticeable bias for those two conferences in BB and

JohnnyComeLately

Mar 24, 8:34am

While I agree with your point re Lakers vs. Kings, it doesn't apply to BYU/UW

lilpenny

Mar 24, 7:54am

RE: While I agree with your point re Lakers vs. Kings, it doesn't apply to BYU/UW

KYU

Mar 24, 8:03am

Wisconsin had some very questionable calls go against them too, including the

MaximusMeridius

Mar 24, 12:06pm

It’s been nearly a whole season of biased reffing there’s something there.

HeyU

Mar 24, 12:12pm

Not just the BYU-WIS game. Look at the MD-CSU game.

Les IsMore

Mar 24, 12:27pm

Remember when you promised to delete your account?

Spiff

Mar 24, 12:14pm

^^^^^^THIS

EastMesaCoug

Mar 24, 12:17pm

Which ref T’d up the Badger Bench?

Q-grr

Mar 25, 3:19pm

Wisconsin fans feel the same way. At least we won.

byujdmba

Mar 24, 1:14am

Hope you’re not basing that on some parody reports. Haven’t heard much whining from real WISC fans.

Soupie

Mar 24, 6:08am

The dudes behind me thought they were being robbed all game long

fulano

Mar 24, 6:48am

Really the only whining I've heard from Wisconsin was being seeded 3rd

stansburycoug

Mar 24, 8:06am

My mental model is basically there is such a thing as bad officiating, which cou

RoboKayne

Mar 24, 12:37pm

It is only a matter of time before a college ref gets caught taking a payout. The money is too great compared to what

kimdaddy35

Mar 24, 1:22am

Don’t know that specific payments or expectations even need to be communicated. They just know.

Soupie

Mar 24, 6:09am

There are good reasons why collusion is rarely explicit

Bobber

Mar 24, 6:45am

I think this is exactly what he’s asking…

EastMesaCoug

Mar 24, 8:15am

People who've been around for a while "just know" what the unstated priorities are

Bobber

Mar 24, 8:50am

How do you know so many cool phrases?

EastMesaCoug

Mar 24, 9:01am

Sounds like a sarcastic question, but

Bobber

Mar 24, 9:05am

What you’re saying makes sense

EastMesaCoug

Mar 24, 9:13am

Like when cops look the other way when organized crime is involved (ie SEC/B1G)

Toubibe

Mar 24, 9:05am

I think they were extremely awful. No idea why, but they were.

Ozymandias

Mar 24, 1:34am

They were awful. Was it incompetence? Bias? Ego? Corruption? Something else?

Still Blue

Mar 24, 1:42am

I’m saying those guys were incompetent at their job like…

gurt

Mar 24, 2:06am

Yeah, that's what it seemed like. It was VERY one-sided in the 1st half. In ways

SinkingQuffa

Mar 24, 2:24am

Im back. Yeah - I’m saying I’m back!

Cswilliam01

Mar 24, 3:02am

You pointed out a very underrated strength of this team imo...

icecougar

Mar 24, 11:31am

A lot of smoke against BYU this year in basketball, just saying.

HeyU

Mar 24, 3:29am

It’s just like how I don’t believe that CNN/ABC/CBS, etc get together and decide to repeat the same stories and the same

Samsonite

Mar 24, 5:26am

You don’t need a conspiracy when all the actors have the same bias/objectives.

MormonThug

Mar 24, 6:02am

I am saying that 1 ref got offended, made it personal, & affected the game

Mabuhay Coug

Mar 24, 6:07am

This may be closest to the truth. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s human nature.

Ferb

Mar 24, 10:33am

Agree with this point, Ferb.

BYUJoJo

Mar 24, 12:04pm

They are not very good at their job

scrambled egg

Mar 24, 6:11am

I'm saying anyone with eyes could tell those refs sucked at their jobs.

IceCreamButt

Mar 24, 6:42am

The NCAA is a lost puppy in the woods.

stonecougar

Mar 24, 6:59am

The level of arrogant naivety believing there aren't corrupt officials is sad

RockyBalboa

Mar 24, 7:20am

Referees are the cops and the town councils of sport. And we know how that goes.

seacougar

Mar 24, 8:13am

and the whining about officiating of every single game is obnoxious.

Belboz

Mar 24, 8:25am

CBB has a severe bad ref problem. The criticism is earned and deserved.

RockyBalboa

Mar 24, 10:22am

College football is bad, NFL is bad, NBA is bad, etc.

Belboz

Mar 24, 12:43pm

I've seen bad calls in NFL/CFB, but I wouldn't say officiating is poor overall.

WVU_Prof

Mar 24, 12:48pm

"bad" calls even out over the course of a game. I just ignore it or accept it.

Belboz

Mar 24, 12:50pm

I think that’s the case most of the time…

WVU_Prof

Mar 24, 7:16pm

I’m saying all of that, yes. Thanks for summarizing

Toubibe

Mar 24, 7:34am

Don't make it complicated. There were some bad calls. Why do we need

Lifer

Mar 24, 8:05am

The more productive question: how do we more bias in favor of BYU in the future?

seacougar

Mar 24, 8:14am

That's easy. Join the Big10 or SEC

viper

Mar 24, 12:09pm

Seems like a robo referee that goes over film and rates

stonecougar

Mar 24, 1:48pm

Wisconsin must spend half their practice time on how to get foul calls!

Huck

Mar 24, 8:17am

Footage from their practice (or should I say rehearsal . . . ? )

RoboKayne

Mar 25, 4:11pm

RE: Question: What exactly are you saying about the refs? Are you saying they

D.T. Survivor

Mar 24, 8:24am

Talk about Refs being biased or incompetent is tedious at best. Team's the thing

refunder

Mar 24, 8:28am

I know you’re getting a lot of negative feedback

EastMesaCoug

Mar 24, 8:29am

I would like to see a review of the officiating performed on that game. The refs

Rocketman

Mar 24, 9:06am

Too many refs make a bad call then get upset

I'mBatman

Mar 24, 9:27am

I think everyone understands that there will be a couple questionable/subjective

BlueDiver

Mar 24, 10:11am

Agree with your comment, BlueDiver

BYUJoJo

Mar 24, 12:09pm

THEY CHEATED FOR WISCONSIN

Ten_Hour_Drives

Mar 24, 10:15am

RE: Question: What exactly are you saying about the refs? Are you saying they

rtl

Mar 24, 10:26am

This isn't a blue goggled view from Y fan base. National pundits were lamenting

SoValleyCOUG

Mar 24, 10:51am

A larger of portion of the questionable calls went against BYU Saturday than for

Forzaitalia

Mar 24, 11:25am

as bad as it was, at least they didn't give tonje a trip to the line at the end

lukeskywalker

Mar 24, 11:56am

A very interesting thread!!

BYUJoJo

Mar 24, 11:57am

The conspiracy theorists are out in full force. Just roll your eyes and let them

MaximusMeridius

Mar 24, 12:04pm

RE: The conspiracy theorists are out in full force. Just roll your eyes and let

MrGeneric

Mar 24, 1:46pm

Consider: What year did you start to believe Lance Armstrong might be cheating

RoboKayne

Mar 25, 1:47pm

Nope. Just saying a lot of $'s involved and I don't mean betting.

ImuaKahuku

Mar 24, 1:45pm

This is a good listen. Things that make you go hmmmm...

ImuaKahuku

Mar 25, 1:29pm

It could be worse. We didn't lose a game to a three step layup.

Ripliancum

Mar 24, 1:51pm

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