Except it doesn't work the other way. Tanuvasa for example. Which indicates the

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I honestly don't care what the transfers are rated at, but 247 lost ALL credibility when they rated high 5 star recruits

kimdaddy35 Former Fly Half

Jan 7, 2:19pm

Because they are downgrading all talent the transfers to the Big 12...they want

imdocrob

Jan 7, 2:21pm

Gotta keep the FPI baseline rankings high for the Power 2 conferences.

dYrtbYkerYder

Jan 7, 2:29pm

I wish he would sue. I'm sick of the SEC & Big Ten choking the life out of the

BlueFever

Jan 7, 2:31pm

If that is all true, we’ll consistently compete and win… that’s all we need

Pretorian

Jan 7, 2:32pm

It's how they juice the preseason rankings

Bob Vance

Jan 7, 3:09pm

...but they assign the ratings before knowing where they go

krindorr

Jan 7, 6:57pm

Are you sure about them changing ratings before the new school is announced? I not sure it's true. I feel like some of

HarlemCoug

Jan 7, 9:13pm

why do people care so much?

reagan21

Jan 7, 2:21pm

Because it impacts recruiting ratings/rankings which affect pre-season rankings

Schultz is back

Jan 7, 2:25pm

yeah, but according to 247’s rankings, to be 89 or above you need to be an NFL Prospect

JOPE

Jan 7, 2:29pm

Then they need to re-rate every players on every team every year

Schultz is back

Jan 7, 2:32pm

why should they have to do that? They are a recruiting service.

JOPE

Jan 7, 2:33pm

Their work is being used to rank teams-- in preference to wins & losses at times

Socrates Johnson

Jan 7, 2:38pm

I think it’s a much smaller metric then some people are letting on

JOPE

Jan 7, 2:59pm

This is exactly what Jeff Hansen has said. Rating is based simply on chances of

MrSandman

Jan 7, 4:32pm

So older RMs like Gentry are also affected by this.

dYrtbYkerYder

Jan 7, 5:15pm

Unfortunately yes. Age does matter

MrSandman

Jan 7, 5:25pm

Partly because certain computer rankings take into account recruiting and the average rating for recruits

BYUMizzou

Jan 7, 2:26pm

If I'm an athlete, it could downgrade my NIL potential. This could be attempting

Ghost of Peanut

Jan 7, 2:27pm

Because recruiting rankings are in the FPI formula, and ESPN

Captain Stubing

Jan 7, 2:27pm

There is probably an anti-trust suit in there since ESPN owns the CFP and wants

Socrates Johnson

Jan 7, 2:40pm

Yep. That component of FPI needs to be removed IMO

puntersarepeople

Jan 7, 5:43pm

Because it directly influences voter's perceptions and recruits

deliciousmocha

Jan 7, 2:33pm

Did you like all the playoff teams that got in over BYU? I didn't.

Cougarclaw

Jan 7, 4:37pm

Indy's post about a 4 loss Bama is telling. The system is so rigged for them that even when they lose they get ranked by

HarlemCoug

Jan 7, 5:15pm

Akana has been at Texas for two years and hasn’t even really played at all

JOPE

Jan 7, 2:24pm

Again, if it weren't for injury Arch Manning would be in the exact same boat. Akana played over 40

kimdaddy35

Jan 7, 2:39pm

Comparing a QB sitting early and a DE sitting early is a bad comparison.

RealTaysomHill

Jan 7, 2:39pm

The point is the same. If Akana had transferred to Alabama what would he be

Socrates Johnson

Jan 7, 2:41pm

What evidence? Kam Dewberry was a 4* prospect, then transferred to Alabama as a 3*

RealTaysomHill

Jan 7, 2:53pm

I just looked at a few more. Here are other examples of guys who transferred to Bama/UGA/Texas but are rated lower as

RealTaysomHill

Jan 7, 3:06pm

Well that’s one guy. Not very compelling compared to all the guys

BYU '80

Jan 7, 3:06pm

That says more about the schools in the Big 12 than it does the recruiting rankings

RealTaysomHill

Jan 7, 3:19pm

I don’t starters at big12 schools leave all the time for the sec

BYU '80

Jan 7, 3:24pm

Performance and NIL are the same. The big schools aren't paying big NIL money to guys who aren't good.

RealTaysomHill

Jan 7, 3:38pm

Of course guys are transferring from Oklahoma State. They're also leaving Utah

Schultz is back

Jan 7, 4:05pm

247 and the other recruiting sites do it all the time. How else do they get

LeGrandBleu

Jan 7, 2:54pm

RE: Comparing a QB sitting early and a DE sitting early is a bad comparison.

kimdaddy35

Jan 7, 3:03pm

Except it doesn't work the other way. Tanuvasa for example. Which indicates the

Socrates Johnson

Jan 7, 2:41pm

Tanuvasa is a really good get, but what about his production makes you say he's

Scratch

Jan 7, 2:26pm

Where did you get his view from? Would love to see if for BYU.

Captain Stubing

Jan 7, 2:31pm

Yeah, he’s terrible in coverage and that’s critical for a DT.

Ron Mexico

Jan 7, 2:32pm

Maybe he’s not a 5 star but he’s easily a 4 star. Dude had offers from Michigan

puntersarepeople

Jan 7, 2:36pm

He's not a five star.

JuicyJam

Jan 7, 2:43pm

there is no stat that shows he clogs up two blockers and frees up team mates

fulano

Jan 7, 3:07pm

Right on cue the Yewt arrives to impart his wisdom. Go away.

mendoncoug

Jan 7, 3:47pm

I have heard before the worst way to rate a DT is off stats. They was they can

Baseball77

Jan 7, 2:34pm

KT has pretty pedestrian stats. I don't think his value is really measured by stats, but if are one of the guys at 247

shimmy

Jan 7, 2:35pm

Watch Jeff Hansen’s video about this on YouTube. It’s not a conspiracy,

Stopper6700

Jan 7, 2:35pm

So you are telling me 247 rates players based on how long they have been out of high school?

kimdaddy35

Jan 7, 2:44pm

All ratings are purely based on NFL draft potential, not just 247.

Stopper6700

Jan 7, 4:39pm

Glasker is Tanuvasa’s age and will go top 3 rounds next year

puntersarepeople

Jan 7, 5:38pm

True, but Glasker also led the Big12 in TFLs. He’s a rare talent, and if he ends

Stopper6700

Jan 7, 6:28pm

They probably flip-flop between rating potential or production depending on

Mitty

Jan 7, 2:41pm

Tanuvasa is really solid, he was a HUGE loss for Utah, but he is

neboutefan

Jan 7, 3:00pm

He’s also still likely to improve

puntersarepeople

Jan 7, 5:41pm

No doubt.

neboutefan

Jan 7, 5:58pm

Honestly I really don't care how they are ranking us or players we get. As

HonestTakes

Jan 7, 3:14pm

The ratings on transfers are weird this year but wasn't Tanuvasa rated a 3 star

stansburycoug

Jan 7, 5:30pm

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