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Jan 7, 2025
2:38:54pm

Socrates Johnson All-American

Their work is being used to rank teams-- in preference to wins & losses at times

that's why BYU couldn't crack the top of FPI no matter how many games it won. And the same goes for the rest of the B12. And it is also why Big Ten and SEC teams are consistently overrated compared to their actual resumes.

this is why it matters-- because we don't settle it on the field anymore.

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Socrates Johnson

Previous username: jkccoug
Bio page: Socrates Johnson
Joined: Jul 19, 2002
Last login: Jan 7, 2025
Total posts: 31,382 (2,276 FO)

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I honestly don't care what the transfers are rated at, but 247 lost ALL credibility when they rated high 5 star recruits

kimdaddy35 Former Fly Half

Jan 7, 2:19pm

Because they are downgrading all talent the transfers to the Big 12...they want

imdocrob

Jan 7, 2:21pm

Gotta keep the FPI baseline rankings high for the Power 2 conferences.

Jan 7, 2:29pm

I wish he would sue. I'm sick of the SEC & Big Ten choking the life out of the

BlueFever

Jan 7, 2:31pm

If that is all true, we’ll consistently compete and win… that’s all we need

Pretorian

Jan 7, 2:32pm

It's how they juice the preseason rankings

Bob Vance

Jan 7, 3:09pm

...but they assign the ratings before knowing where they go

krindorr

Jan 7, 6:57pm

Are you sure about them changing ratings before the new school is announced? I not sure it's true. I feel like some of

HarlemCoug

Jan 7, 9:13pm

why do people care so much?

reagan21

Jan 7, 2:21pm

Because it impacts recruiting ratings/rankings which affect pre-season rankings

Schultz is back

Jan 7, 2:25pm

yeah, but according to 247’s rankings, to be 89 or above you need to be an NFL Prospect

JOPE

Jan 7, 2:29pm

Then they need to re-rate every players on every team every year

Schultz is back

Jan 7, 2:32pm

why should they have to do that? They are a recruiting service.

JOPE

Jan 7, 2:33pm

Their work is being used to rank teams-- in preference to wins & losses at times

Socrates Johnson

Jan 7, 2:38pm

I think it’s a much smaller metric then some people are letting on

JOPE

Jan 7, 2:59pm

This is exactly what Jeff Hansen has said. Rating is based simply on chances of

MrSandman

Jan 7, 4:32pm

So older RMs like Gentry are also affected by this.

Jan 7, 5:15pm

Unfortunately yes. Age does matter

MrSandman

Jan 7, 5:25pm

Partly because certain computer rankings take into account recruiting and the average rating for recruits

BYUMizzou

Jan 7, 2:26pm

If I'm an athlete, it could downgrade my NIL potential. This could be attempting

Ghost of Peanut

Jan 7, 2:27pm

Because recruiting rankings are in the FPI formula, and ESPN

Captain Stubing

Jan 7, 2:27pm

There is probably an anti-trust suit in there since ESPN owns the CFP and wants

Socrates Johnson

Jan 7, 2:40pm

Yep. That component of FPI needs to be removed IMO

puntersarepeople

Jan 7, 5:43pm

Because it directly influences voter's perceptions and recruits

Jan 7, 2:33pm

Did you like all the playoff teams that got in over BYU? I didn't.

Cougarclaw

Jan 7, 4:37pm

Indy's post about a 4 loss Bama is telling. The system is so rigged for them that even when they lose they get ranked by

HarlemCoug

Jan 7, 5:15pm

Akana has been at Texas for two years and hasn’t even really played at all

JOPE

Jan 7, 2:24pm

Again, if it weren't for injury Arch Manning would be in the exact same boat. Akana played over 40

kimdaddy35

Jan 7, 2:39pm

Comparing a QB sitting early and a DE sitting early is a bad comparison.

Jan 7, 2:39pm

The point is the same. If Akana had transferred to Alabama what would he be

Socrates Johnson

Jan 7, 2:41pm

What evidence? Kam Dewberry was a 4* prospect, then transferred to Alabama as a 3*

Jan 7, 2:53pm

I just looked at a few more. Here are other examples of guys who transferred to Bama/UGA/Texas but are rated lower as

Jan 7, 3:06pm

Well that’s one guy. Not very compelling compared to all the guys

BYU '80

Jan 7, 3:06pm

That says more about the schools in the Big 12 than it does the recruiting rankings

Jan 7, 3:19pm

I don’t starters at big12 schools leave all the time for the sec

BYU '80

Jan 7, 3:24pm

Performance and NIL are the same. The big schools aren't paying big NIL money to guys who aren't good.

Jan 7, 3:38pm

Of course guys are transferring from Oklahoma State. They're also leaving Utah

Schultz is back

Jan 7, 4:05pm

247 and the other recruiting sites do it all the time. How else do they get

LeGrandBleu

Jan 7, 2:54pm

RE: Comparing a QB sitting early and a DE sitting early is a bad comparison.

kimdaddy35

Jan 7, 3:03pm

Except it doesn't work the other way. Tanuvasa for example. Which indicates the

Socrates Johnson

Jan 7, 2:41pm

Tanuvasa is a really good get, but what about his production makes you say he's

Scratch

Jan 7, 2:26pm

Where did you get his view from? Would love to see if for BYU.

Captain Stubing

Jan 7, 2:31pm

Yeah, he’s terrible in coverage and that’s critical for a DT.

Ron Mexico

Jan 7, 2:32pm

Maybe he’s not a 5 star but he’s easily a 4 star. Dude had offers from Michigan

puntersarepeople

Jan 7, 2:36pm

He's not a five star.

JuicyJam

Jan 7, 2:43pm

there is no stat that shows he clogs up two blockers and frees up team mates

fulano

Jan 7, 3:07pm

Right on cue the Yewt arrives to impart his wisdom. Go away.

mendoncoug

Jan 7, 3:47pm

I have heard before the worst way to rate a DT is off stats. They was they can

Baseball77

Jan 7, 2:34pm

KT has pretty pedestrian stats. I don't think his value is really measured by stats, but if are one of the guys at 247

shimmy

Jan 7, 2:35pm

Watch Jeff Hansen’s video about this on YouTube. It’s not a conspiracy,

Stopper6700

Jan 7, 2:35pm

So you are telling me 247 rates players based on how long they have been out of high school?

kimdaddy35

Jan 7, 2:44pm

All ratings are purely based on NFL draft potential, not just 247.

Stopper6700

Jan 7, 4:39pm

Glasker is Tanuvasa’s age and will go top 3 rounds next year

puntersarepeople

Jan 7, 5:38pm

True, but Glasker also led the Big12 in TFLs. He’s a rare talent, and if he ends

Stopper6700

Jan 7, 6:28pm

They probably flip-flop between rating potential or production depending on

Mitty

Jan 7, 2:41pm

Tanuvasa is really solid, he was a HUGE loss for Utah, but he is

neboutefan

Jan 7, 3:00pm

He’s also still likely to improve

puntersarepeople

Jan 7, 5:41pm

No doubt.

neboutefan

Jan 7, 5:58pm

Honestly I really don't care how they are ranking us or players we get. As

HonestTakes

Jan 7, 3:14pm

The ratings on transfers are weird this year but wasn't Tanuvasa rated a 3 star

stansburycoug

Jan 7, 5:30pm

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