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Undefeated
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Do you have any more insights on what happened with Holker?:)
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A post about my dad, Coach Steve Clark
Alex Clark
Playmaker
11/27/23 11:33pm
I think most here were surprised and upset and would offer up ARod in his place
BYU '80
11/27/23 11:37pm
Sounds like ARod needed a scapegoat 2 save his own skin-at least 4 1 more season
zerome4sooners
11/28/23 5:41am
Here's my question: how does KS/A-Rod think that firing a good(?) TE coach...
COACHdrn
11/28/23 7:32am
That’s why the scapegoat explanation doesn’t seem to fit. This has to be about
russkiejedi
11/28/23 7:39am
Not a scapegoat a sacrificial firing.
Blue2thebone
11/28/23 7:55am
Potato, potahto. It doesn’t make sense as a sacrificial firing unless the
russkiejedi
11/28/23 8:56am
You err when you expect the firing to "make sense".
Les IsMore
11/28/23 3:50pm
Nah. There was a reason. It doesn't have to make sense to me, but it has to make
russkiejedi
11/28/23 7:10pm
So my post later in the day wasn't the first one to say this - I agree with this
Tricky
11/28/23 12:07pm
If that’s true, it still doesn’t make sense. Need to get rid of ARod to do that
zerome4sooners
11/28/23 1:40pm
No, you don't. Changing the OL and TE coaches and bringing in a new OL coach and
russkiejedi
11/28/23 7:12pm
Not if ARod keeps calling the plays he’s been calling
zerome4sooners
11/28/23 8:10pm
That’s the question Jimmy. Yeah, it makes no sense
zerome4sooners
11/28/23 1:39pm
Only way it makes sense is if it's a precursor to hiring a QB coach
krindorr
11/28/23 2:01pm
Let’s now throw to and use the TEs less! That will solve our problems!
sandiegocgrfan
11/28/23 3:15pm
What a deeply touching letter from an outstanding young man about his father
Love Cougs
11/28/23 9:38am
Nah. Most of us didn't want to see either of them go
MaxxPower
11/28/23 11:41am
You're kidding yourself if you think A-rod has been consistently excellent. He
BleedCougarBlue2
11/28/23 1:01pm
Although if ARod were let go, it probably would have meant Funk, Clark, Unga also would be gone anyway
krindorr
11/28/23 11:53am
Thank your Dad for his efforts and care for the team. Best wishes for his health
BostonCougar
11/27/23 11:38pm
The only thing that makes sense
airbug
11/27/23 11:39pm
Time will tell. This could be true
BYU '80
11/28/23 12:05am
Good luck attracting and keeping all of the 4-stars he recruited if they aren’t going to have a tight end coach
Alex Clark
11/28/23 12:10am
That could be the risk. They would still need a TE coach but it would be combine
BYU '80
11/28/23 12:15am
Yeah sorry, it was meant to be a response to the airbug post.
Alex Clark
11/28/23 12:28am
I know a lot of the Clarks and I’ve always been a fan. You guys make Provo great
andrewg3
11/28/23 1:01am
They don't need TE's. Remember, Arod is still there.
777
11/28/23 1:11am
What are you saying?
coastcat
11/28/23 7:01am
He's using sarcasm and a little humor.
kahuna
11/28/23 7:20am
Or maybe the new oline coach really has a TE guy he wants to bring?
JuicyJam
11/28/23 6:28am
Unless the Oline coach is a high level guy, this doesn't make sense.
HighHorse
11/28/23 6:46am
Agreed. Position coaches generally don't have that much sway.
JuicyJam
11/28/23 7:08am
My takeaway from this…
Bobby Lee Swagger
11/28/23 7:30am
RE: The only thing that makes sense
Morty13
11/28/23 9:02am
Maybe ARod's refusal to throw down the middle means he is shifting away from TEs
TailgateU
11/28/23 11:43am
Why would they have to do that? Why not just hire a QB coach?
Natedog916
11/28/23 12:49pm
Limited number of coaches in CFB
cougaman
11/28/23 12:55pm
Ah. Thanks for the info. I didn’t know that.
Natedog916
11/28/23 1:33pm
Thanks for sharing. I appreciate him giving it his all and I hope he can find
ImRonBurgundy?
11/27/23 11:40pm
I really enjoyed listening to his interviews and as a fellow shorty myself…
Little Mac
11/27/23 11:42pm
Thank you for sharing and I hope he finds more peace. So sorry he has dealt with
Cougar TD
11/27/23 11:43pm
Thank you for sharing. Based on Masen Wake’s tweet, and my limited interactions with some past players your
RalphWiggam
11/27/23 11:44pm
Looking forward to Clarkcast next season!
Yes
11/27/23 11:48pm
MLP's tweet also backs up that claim and validates what was posted. Hope your
Sircumference
11/28/23 1:30pm
Extremely well written..
Yes
11/27/23 11:46pm
I think that’d be awesome for him to break down games with former players
GlutealGuy
11/27/23 11:47pm
Fans can be so irrational and brutal. I would love a BYU version manning cast!
Reasonable1
11/27/23 11:49pm
Me too! Clarkcast would be fun to watch
DrGCoug
11/28/23 2:05am
<< Deleted >>
kccougar
11/27/23 11:50pm
I believe CB has suggested a Manning Cast type livestream before. I suggest
DiamondDog
11/27/23 11:51pm
You are a great son of a great man.
NorthwestCoug
11/27/23 11:53pm
Most of us know he was the 2023 scapegoat. This whole height thing is bizarre.
777
11/27/23 11:57pm
I know some love him but Kyle has always seemed to be a superficial man.
Soupie
11/28/23 12:35am
Scapegoat is the wrong word, I think Alex would agree that sacrifice is the word that best describes Toms offering of
Blue2thebone
11/28/23 12:53am
Wonder if felt just Funk wouldn’t be seen as enough change. Needed more for optics. Sad
Soupie
11/28/23 12:56am
Scapegoat is actually the better word. Sacrifice indicates a greater good.
ochobeeguy
11/28/23 9:36am
His height was the thing that attracted me the most to him.
imfear2000
11/28/23 11:56am
BYU is better by having been associated with the Clark family. And thank you for
elguerocougero
11/28/23 12:00am
Best wishes to your dad and your family. Hope this change turns out to be a blessing in disguise.
ManicBlue
11/28/23 12:01am
Thank you for sharing. Your dad is a great man and coach. A BYU man he is!
Burton162
11/28/23 12:02am
Trust us, we don't blame your dad, and we are sad to see him let go.
Blue Ghost
11/28/23 12:03am
I have been able to attend many practices the last few years...
The Y's Insider
11/28/23 12:03am
You don't fire someone like Clark just to be a scapegoat when other personnel changes are already in the works
kccougar
11/28/23 12:09am
sadly, fairness and coaching hiring/firing seldom go together
Hill4Heisman
11/28/23 1:36pm
Such a great tribute. Made me so sad to read.
Wife of Y Not?
11/28/23 12:10am
Wish Kalani would do it himself if he wanted someone fired
Goliath
11/28/23 12:13am
Why do we assume Kalani didn’t *want* to do this? If Arod is a leader, he
Cosmos-beard-card
11/28/23 5:03am
Kalani is NOT untouchable & he, not ARod should be the one
gopman
11/28/23 5:35am
Agree Coach Clark shouldn’t have been fired, wish I believed your other points
Cosmos-beard-card
11/28/23 9:40am
Who is the head coach? That answers who does the firing.
gopman
11/28/23 11:47am
Except it doesn't, outside whatever worldview you've concocted.
Cosmos-beard-card
11/28/23 12:58pm
You should talk to Nick Saban.
gopman
11/28/23 1:15pm
More proof that ARod and KS are incompetent, clueless if they think this will fix the offense. I have my doubts!
coastcat
11/28/23 7:30am
As a former player… many things are not fair and don’t make sense. The most important thing you can take away is that
Rhino84
11/28/23 12:22am
I was shocked to see the news of Coach Clark leaving.
runningfoo
11/28/23 12:28am
Then why did the TE position underperform all year? Where was all the talent?
Hammer15
11/29/23 2:00am
Re-read the post.... I didn't make any claims about his skills in the technical aspects of coaching. Only true
Rhino84
11/29/23 2:11pm
Coach Clark is one of the best X and Os guy around.
pittsburghcoug
11/28/23 12:33am
It clearly wasn’t enough.
DirtyWater
11/28/23 2:46am
It doesn't help if nobody listens.
HighHorse
11/28/23 7:46am
Thank you for sharing this. I've always liked Coach Clark. It's a little
Judge Judy
11/28/23 12:37am
Thanks for your family's dedication to the Cougs. It doesn't make sense...
byujdmba
11/28/23 12:37am
Love your Dad!
richvan
11/28/23 12:37am
Your Dad gave my son a chance at BYU and we are forever grateful for that! He is such a great man and this breaks
richvan
11/28/23 12:42am
Visited w/ your Dad when he took a group of Scouts to tour the FB facilities. He lives in a neighboring ward & a family
Soupie
11/28/23 12:44am
He took me and my wife on a tour of the facilities too.
JuicyJam
11/28/23 7:11am
Thanks for the insights about your dad. Putting a human face on this illustrates
sandiegocgrfan
11/28/23 12:53am
True in general, but I don't remember one person asking for Clark to be fired.
ochobeeguy
11/28/23 9:51am
Sounds like Coach Clark leaving his position was indeed the right thing at least for him if not for the program.
Blue2thebone
11/28/23 12:56am
Awesome post. Well written. Great to see the human side. The success your father has had
TFL
11/28/23 12:58am
He’ll be missed! Not his fault Arod literally failed to involve the TE much
SwanSong
11/28/23 12:59am
RE: He’ll be missed! Not his fault Arod literally failed to involve the TE much
quickquackcarwash
11/28/23 8:57am
Throughout the season, I have noticed
quickquackcarwash
11/28/23 10:48am
RE: He’ll be missed! Not his fault Arod literally failed to involve the TE
JuicyJam
11/28/23 10:51am
Funk’s departure was necessary
bigjohn
11/28/23 1:04am
I imagine this is true.
RUNBYU1
11/28/23 1:09am
Clark's name was never even brought up during the most heated and
777
11/28/23 1:10am
Generally, it was Funk ... ARod ... Kalani, in that order.
ManicBlue
11/28/23 1:17am
Which is precisely why it doesn't seem the decision would be an attempt to
Tricky
11/28/23 12:11pm
I appreciate the honest (and brave) post here. CB can be a den of wolves…
Dwide_Schrude
11/28/23 1:30am
Great Post! What a Dad!
BYUFan2010
11/28/23 1:38am
RE: A post about my dad, Coach Steve Clark
TrustMeIKnow
11/28/23 2:06am
Thank you for posting this. I hope there is another opportunity soon for him
DrGCoug
11/28/23 2:13am
We were all perplexed. He was one of the few bright spots on the staff.
karatekid
11/28/23 2:51am
Awesome post. Thx for sharing
Bovine University
11/28/23 4:23am
Hate to lose such an important part of the program.
isellutah
11/28/23 4:56am
My 2 reactions to this post:
zerome4sooners
11/28/23 5:32am
Your dad's firing was like Bama cheated so the NCAA issued a bowl ban and
BYUlv
11/28/23 6:23am
Thank you for sharing. I'll always be a fan of Coach Clark!
DoneDirtCheap
11/28/23 6:25am
Good post. Well written. 👍🏼
Coug-Ida
11/28/23 6:26am
Thank you for the post and thank you for sharing another side of your Dad. I think all CB is and was sad to hear about
TheLoneCougar
11/28/23 6:41am
Thanks for posting. I wish Coach Clark all the best. A ClarkCast sounds great!
Orem58thBall
11/28/23 6:52am
Whittingham sure is a tool, isn't he?
Roko's Basilisk
11/28/23 6:53am
<< Deleted >>
Idacoug
11/28/23 6:54am
Thanks for clearing the air.
RedSox
11/28/23 6:58am
Kalani can't do his own dirty work? If true, that's truly disappointing.
CharlottesvilleCoug
11/28/23 7:00am
Sounds a lot like the Detmer release.
Count Cougar
11/28/23 7:37am
Having others do your dirty work puts a stain on the “ KS is such a fine man who represents BYU values “ image. KS
coastcat
11/28/23 8:08am
We don't know how much KS influenced the decision. I assume Clark reported to ARod as OC so it seems
Bobber
11/28/23 8:48am
The final call is made by the head coach. Period. The "Kalani isn't
gopman
11/28/23 8:52am
Just because you end your opinion with “period” does not make it a fact. There
Cosmos-beard-card
11/28/23 10:18am
The lengths people on this board go to exonerate Kalani......
gopman
11/28/23 12:39pm
The unwillingness on here to read other people's PoVs and evolve their own...
Cosmos-beard-card
11/28/23 1:01pm
Do you work for the BYU athletic department?
Les IsMore
11/28/23 4:15pm
Most asst coaches are on a one year contract. They aren't really fired but don't have their contract renewed
LaserCoug
11/28/23 4:23pm
I’m saying every organization does it differently. I’ve worked for many large
Cosmos-beard-card
11/29/23 4:39am
RE: A post about my dad, Coach Steve Clark
DavisCoCoug
11/28/23 7:13am
I am a huge fan of your Dad’s FWIW. I am sorry this happened to him.
Socrates Johnson
11/28/23 7:17am
Mad props to you and your dad
niqmadu
11/28/23 7:18am
Wait, someone posts their real name and real story? I love CB for this.
kiyoshige
11/28/23 7:22am
Sounds like he might be better off doing something else. Football is cool, but there are other things more fundamental
Haysom Till
11/28/23 7:28am
Coach Clark is overqualified to be a TE coach
bonesnineteen
11/28/23 7:47am
This is why I don’t understand the firing. Why not reassign him as QB coach?
BYU'01
11/28/23 2:12pm
Thank You and your Dad! from this Cougar Fan! Once a Coug always aCoug! GoCougs!
baishel44
11/28/23 7:49am
Interesting post...
Coug
11/28/23 7:54am
Thanks for sharing. I don't know anything about any comments about his size, so
cDog801
11/28/23 8:00am
I appreciate your dad's devotion to BYU. I am confident he will be well in the
rockyrd
11/28/23 8:00am
Well said and best of luck to your father and family
Cougarpride
11/28/23 8:03am
I think everyone was shocked to see Clark’s name and expected Funk.
Tuskaloosa Cougar
11/28/23 8:08am
Classy post
CougarMandias
11/28/23 8:09am
Thank you, Alex. Very classy. My prayers are with your dad. He will be missed.
TRUE_BLUE_COUGY
11/28/23 8:37am
Thank you for posting. It was a head scratcher for me him being let go. All the
Big-Q
11/28/23 8:39am
Really crazy move by the coaches, he can’t be a scapegoat because it’s clear
here's to hoping
11/28/23 8:45am
My guess is that it's about the QB play...which sucks and isn't fair to Clark
krindorr
11/28/23 8:49am
Is it a rule to only allow 5 offensive coaches and 5 defensive, or is it budget
Das_Countach
11/28/23 12:24pm
NCAA Rule. No requirement on the breakdown between offense and defense though
LaserCoug
11/28/23 12:30pm
10 is max, breakdown doesn't have to be 5/5, but it's hard to imagine taking resources away from Hill immediately
krindorr
11/28/23 12:51pm
If you need to hire a dedicated QB coach, you have to let someone go. Sucks for
Junior Deputy
11/28/23 9:25am
Why not just do like SEC schools do and hire consultants?
Les IsMore
11/28/23 4:21pm
That's actually the definition of a scapegoat. Innocent blamed for other people.
ochobeeguy
11/28/23 9:49am
I knew I wasn’t crazy!
Alex Clark
11/28/23 6:56pm
Players knew that being in Steve's group was a privilege
BlueZone
11/28/23 9:53am
This sounds like a Kalani was behind it.
shakarocks
11/28/23 10:06am
You have no reason to jump to that conclusion from the OP. Example Scenario: KS tells AR that he is on the hot seat
Rhino84
11/28/23 10:52am
No idea if this is true. But of all the explanations put out there, it seems to make the most sense to me.
Alex Clark
11/28/23 7:01pm
I second all the posts thanking your dad. I am truly grateful for every single
nybyblue
11/28/23 10:12am
Love the Clarks, and thanks for the authentic post! Here’s to better things
blue13
11/28/23 10:24am
Thank you Coach Clark!
The Number Cruncher
11/28/23 10:28am
I don’t know your Dad, but I do know that he has an awesome son.
Rocketman
11/28/23 10:32am
Thanks for sharing and I think a lot on here agree with you that he was not the
Blue for Life
11/28/23 10:38am
Yeah, I think most of us are still scratching our heads over that firing.
KCFan85
11/28/23 10:56am
I definitely appreciate your insights - thank you for sharing.
Eddie
11/28/23 11:00am
Your Dad is THE MAN
EDthoracotomy
11/28/23 11:06am
Not interested in the Manning Cast show
Jimmerfan32
11/28/23 11:40am
Hahaha appreciate the honesty!
Alex Clark
11/28/23 7:08pm
Well that’s business. I’m sure Kalani had the best in mind for the program.
Domin8
11/28/23 12:17pm
Great post. Unfortunately your performance
BYUvermont
11/28/23 1:03pm
Welp, 2 things for sure:1 - KS is weak to not let a coach go himself. 2 - KW is
BleedCougarBlue2
11/28/23 1:03pm
Lol, taken out of context.. we have limited details. CB is often ridiculous
Domin8
11/28/23 5:52pm
I think most of us were disappointed with the decision.
Bobmarleyjr
11/28/23 2:20pm
What bothers me about this whole situation is that Kalani wouldnt fire Tuiaki
Sircumference
11/28/23 2:29pm
Do you have any more insights on what happened with Holker?:)
Undefeated
11/28/23 2:39pm
RE: A post about my dad, Coach Steve Clark
Bowers86
11/28/23 4:10pm
My last post was deleted so I will try again. Your dad was one of the best
kimdaddy35
11/28/23 4:17pm
Kyle Whittingham should have a lawsuit slapped against him for Discrimination.
bLuE wAvEs
11/28/23 4:55pm
Kyle isn't short
shakarocks
11/28/23 5:14pm
Height isn't a protected class so it's allowed to discriminate
krindorr
11/28/23 5:27pm
Looks like you are right. Apparently Utah voted this spring & it got denied.
bLuE wAvEs
11/28/23 6:10pm
sounds like he is the sacrificial lamb
dccoug
11/28/23 4:56pm
Sad to read this. Wish your dad and family all the best!
LateToTheGame
11/28/23 5:35pm
What a post…
rmarkerm
11/28/23 6:48pm
I still wonder if we are bringing in an OL coach who is taking over TE as well
YOHONOMOTO
11/28/23 6:59pm
Not possible. TE go with skills position on skeleton drills, 1 on 1s
Bobmarleyjr
11/28/23 7:52pm
Sorry. I meant maybe he's a package deal bringing his own guy.
YOHONOMOTO
11/28/23 9:22pm
Loved your Dad coaching at BYU- thx for sharing
chidote1
11/28/23 7:55pm
Eyeroll just to complete the yahtzee.
Spiff
11/28/23 8:00pm
this post looks like it smashed all sorts of CB records for engagement ... true?
mindzeYe
11/28/23 10:03pm
No. I know #of views isn’t even close. I forget which ones have the most POTD and thumbs up, but those numbers were high
kirty
11/28/23 10:32pm
Here are all of the top ones
El Jefe
11/28/23 10:48pm
Thanks for sharing that it's a solid top 6 for POTD.
mindzeYe
11/30/23 2:02pm
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