Interesting you bring up Holland. We COULD be Holland. They were car-centric

Apr 1, 2025
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Yep

Niiineteeen84 Blowhard

Apr 1, 10:17am

Why doesn't he just go around them?

OrsoNero

Apr 1, 10:19am

Winding narrow road w/ blind curves and oncoming traffic.

Soupie

Apr 1, 10:20am

They are going 10, he could have passed

Baron

Apr 1, 10:24am

He could have at the end there.

CougarMandias

Apr 1, 3:45pm

Maybe he did & that’s why it ends. Just know I’d try to be extra careful w/ bikers given how exposed they are to injury.

Soupie

Apr 1, 4:29pm

Can't cross a double yellow

foofcoug

Apr 1, 10:50am

You can to pass a cyclist in many states

SouthernCoug

Apr 1, 6:54pm

The guy recording on his phone while driving with cyclists nearby isn't exactly full of brains either

RSL

Apr 1, 10:20am

RE: The guy recording on his phone while driving with cyclists nearby isn't

Chefcurry

Apr 1, 10:21am

Not a lot of reaction time at 10mph, huh?

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 10:21am

At those speeds? It’s not an issue.

kalifi

Apr 1, 10:22am

Bicycles don't belong on roads designed for motor vehicles.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 10:21am

Where would you like us to ride? If I go on a running trail I get yelled at

ChiCityCoug

Apr 1, 10:28am

Idk how cyclists feel brave enough to share the road with cars tbh.

machete

Apr 1, 10:35am

I don't ride on the road any more. Made it about 35 years without an accident

SouthernCoug

Apr 1, 10:38am

You’re not wrong, I for sure target the best areas I can.

ChiCityCoug

Apr 1, 10:41am

It is scary for sure. I try and pick routes more safe and early morning helps t

xarope8

Apr 1, 10:45am

What we need is more Dutch-style infrastructure.

OrsoNero

Apr 1, 10:50am

Somewhere designed for bicycles.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 10:50am

Yeah your last sentence is most important. The laws allow it. So to fix all the

ChiCityCoug

Apr 1, 10:57am

RE: Yeah your last sentence is most important. The laws allow it. So to fix all

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 10:58am

Cyclists are asking to share the road. Not “me first”. If anything drivers are

ChiCityCoug

Apr 1, 11:01am

What's amazing is cyclists consistently interpret my first post as a legal take

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 11:07am

Interesting you bring up Holland. We COULD be Holland. They were car-centric

runnincoug

Apr 1, 11:13am

Cool. Until we do that, we're not that and cyclists don't belong.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 11:22am

Except the law says they do. Talk to your city about fixing this.

runnincoug

Apr 1, 11:24am

Practical does not equal legal.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 11:44am

Well you keep saying “they don’t belong” and we keep saying we do belong. See

ChiCityCoug

Apr 1, 11:58am

My opinion doesn't result in hundreds of fatalities a year.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 12:03pm

It's not cyclists that are causing the fatalities. We can have a convo about

runnincoug

Apr 1, 12:10pm

"these fatalities" - what are "these" referring to?

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 12:19pm

Hahah you used the phrase first lol.

ChiCityCoug

Apr 1, 12:23pm

Cycling fatalities.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 12:40pm

The hundreds you were referring to. What are YOU talking about?

runnincoug

Apr 1, 12:24pm

RE: The hundreds you were referring to. What are YOU talking about?

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 12:40pm

It ... wasn't funny if that was the point.

runnincoug

Apr 1, 12:53pm

I didn’t get it either… still not sure how it’s a joke.

ChiCityCoug

Apr 1, 12:54pm

Was meant as a joke when pressed about the cause of the fatalities

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 7:09pm

RE: Was meant as a joke when pressed about the cause of the fatalities

runnincoug

Apr 1, 7:25pm

You two were absolutely lost from the meaning, just trying to help you out

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 7:39pm

If you have to explain it…

ChiCityCoug

Apr 1, 8:06pm

Text communication is inelegant.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 8:50pm

Talk about me first attitude you claim cyclists have? This is so stupid to say

Blue for Life

Apr 1, 1:05pm

It's not a question of how often, but one of imposition.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 7:17pm

You drew the line and you are unmoving in your opinion. We want to share the

ChiCityCoug

Apr 1, 8:07pm

Watch the whole thing. Please. Pleeeaaassseeee.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 9:00pm

RE: Watch the whole thing. Please. Pleeeaaassseeee.

ChiCityCoug

Apr 1, 9:11pm

Did you watch to the end? Understandable or need another explanation?

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 9:21pm

Watched to the end. What was the point you are making?

Blue for Life

Apr 1, 9:37pm

It’s a video about self awareness.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 10:00pm

I get the self-awareness point, but funny that you are all about cyclists don't

Blue for Life

Apr 2, 7:40am

I’ve posted too much already and would likely rehash the same points

MarylandFan

Apr 2, 6:10pm

I saw an interesting video about that the other day.

OrsoNero

Apr 1, 11:38am

Except they were pedestrian centric for the 1000 years before that.

Hyrum in Houston

Apr 1, 5:21pm

Laws say otherwise. Bad bad take , show more empathy!

xarope8

Apr 1, 10:39am

Smoking is also legal, but society finally said, "enough."

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 10:53am

Haha

xarope8

Apr 1, 11:24am

I'm unbothered by cyclists when driving.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 11:50am

They are allowed by law. However, just like in the Bible there is a higher law.

ArcticKat

Apr 1, 10:45am

If they can go as fast as the speed limit and they’re willing to obey traffic laws, I’m fine with them sharing the road.

KingDave

Apr 1, 10:48am

They do neither consistently.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 10:56am

It pretty much limits them to neighborhoods or roads that have bike lanes

KingDave

Apr 1, 11:08am

Agreed! I hope you are lobbying your city/state leaders for "complete streets"

runnincoug

Apr 1, 11:12am

I do not care about midlife crisis hobbies. Sorry.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 11:28am

It's not a hobby. 25% of BYU students don't own a car. 20% increase nationwide

runnincoug

Apr 1, 11:33am

We're talking about 40-60 year old men in spandex in this thread.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 11:46am

I’m not between 40-60. So you good if I keep riding then? Lol

ChiCityCoug

Apr 1, 12:01pm

As long as you're not in spandex.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 12:04pm

But those make me go so fast! Hahah

ChiCityCoug

Apr 1, 12:07pm

That doesn't make sense. Much of this thread is about other types of cycling too

runnincoug

Apr 1, 12:14pm

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xarope8

Apr 1, 11:36am

Santiago, Chile did this in the last 10 years. They created a separate bidirectional bike lane, often separated from

SaturdaySpecialDay

Apr 1, 11:40am

At least they weren’t riding side by side and talking. I really hate that. Cyclists are so oblivious to cars sometimes.

Brisco

Apr 1, 10:25am

Not all the time. Sometimes they get hit and are paralyzed or killed.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 10:26am

And who gets blamed? The driver.

Brisco

Apr 1, 10:29am

Well yeah… the driver hit the cyclist. Who else would be to blame? It’d be

ChiCityCoug

Apr 1, 10:33am

The cyclist community cracks me up.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 10:54am

Or you could point out where I was wrong. Or are you actually saying that

ChiCityCoug

Apr 1, 10:58am

This is my one point:

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 11:03am

And that’s a wrong point as has been repeatedly proven to you.

ChiCityCoug

Apr 1, 12:02pm

That's a failure to distinguish a practical reality from a legal one.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 12:04pm

You’re wrong on both.

ChiCityCoug

Apr 1, 12:07pm

RE: You’re wrong on both.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 12:16pm

OK, let's talk practicalities. It is not practical to expect everyone to drive.

runnincoug

Apr 1, 12:16pm

I admire your idealism, but it's not going to happen today or tomorrow.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 12:20pm

If people have your stance, no, things will not change. But guess what?

runnincoug

Apr 1, 12:28pm

Ask Shaun Bradley…. 🤷‍♂️

BYU4eVeR

Apr 1, 10:56am

Dude you need to step back from the keyboard on this topic. That was mindblowing

Blue for Life

Apr 1, 1:13pm

Not sure if you realize, but that's considered standard practice and encouraged

runnincoug

Apr 1, 11:16am

Yes some cyclists are ignorant and don't follow laws...

xarope8

Apr 1, 10:33am

"Me first," insisted the cyclist.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 10:55am

Oh the irony

BLT-Coug

Apr 1, 11:08am

Shocking that a motorist would assume right of way on a motorway.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 11:21am

The assumption that roads are designed only for motorists is wrong

Spocougar

Apr 1, 11:23am

Tell me more.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 11:26am

Cities have been designed based on the Vehicular Cycling paradigm.

runnincoug

Apr 1, 11:35am

They are in fact not designed to include cyclists.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 11:54am

You’re so so so wrong. Laws require us on the street and not on the sidewalk.

ChiCityCoug

Apr 1, 12:04pm

Actually, the law does not require that you cycle.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 12:05pm

Right… I didn’t say that. Try and keep up. The roads are designed and planned

ChiCityCoug

Apr 1, 12:08pm

I'll try to keep up.

MarylandFan

Apr 1, 12:15pm

They're not called motorways. They're called streets.

runnincoug

Apr 1, 11:24am

RE: Yes some cyclists are ignorant and don't follow laws...

kalifi

Apr 1, 11:09am

How many minutes have been inconvenienced by a biker?

xarope8

Apr 1, 11:32am

Yes, same. I have to share the roads with lots of things that might slow me down

RoboKayne

Apr 1, 12:00pm

Come to PA. These problems don't exist here. Drivers just pass on a blind curve

SouthernCoug

Apr 1, 10:36am

A lot of things bike riders do drive me crazy, like when they expect to be

Scratch

Apr 1, 11:05am

Bikers act like cars because we've chosen to design cities that way specifically

runnincoug

Apr 1, 11:18am

And then they blow through red lights or stop signs and get mad if you expect

Scratch

Apr 1, 11:30am

The law says that cyclists can treat stop signs like yields, and stop lights as

runnincoug

Apr 1, 11:37am

Yep, those are not the behaviors I'm talking about.

Scratch

Apr 1, 11:46am

Those are the ones I abide by and those who I know that cycle.

ChiCityCoug

Apr 1, 12:09pm

Maybe in some places, but not here in Virginia. Required to follow car rules.

Fdnman

Apr 1, 12:36pm

yes, it does depend on the city. So best not to assume cyclists are breaking law

runnincoug

Apr 1, 12:54pm

Wake up earlier. Whiney driver.

greatbam

Apr 1, 11:14am

RE: Yep

durandal

Apr 1, 11:15am

Cyclist and runners to cars- “share the road.” Cyclist and runners to everyone

DiamondMo

Apr 1, 11:34am

I'll say it again, we should have independent bike paths. Safer, makes

Mitty

Apr 1, 11:35am

Agreed, and for mountain roads, I'd have designated times for cyclists.

runnincoug

Apr 1, 11:41am

I spent so much time researching the safest roads possible for a YM bike trip

thewaterboy

Apr 1, 12:52pm

Bikes shouldn’t be allowed on roads with no bike lanes.

SausageKing

Apr 1, 12:54pm

There's a 50mph limit road that's about that wide near my house that we drive on

thewaterboy

Apr 1, 12:57pm

We are painting with pretty broad brush here. Yes, some bikers can be jerks,

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