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TRUE_BLUE_COUGY
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Am I wrong about this common driving scenario
Forbidden Fruit
Sep 13, 7:42am
Car turning left goes first
Yes
Sep 13, 7:44am
You're wrong.
kccougar
Sep 13, 7:49am
Flat out, no less.
blueaussie
Sep 13, 8:06am
Car first at intersection goes first no matter which direction of travel.
kalifi
Sep 13, 7:50am
At a 4-way stop or an intersection with no stop signs. This is a two-way stop.
Submariner
Sep 13, 9:27am
Yes you are wrong. Otherwise one car turning left
cougarfann888
Sep 13, 7:51am
So if I understand correctly, you arrive after them but both of you have to be at a complete stop and wait for other...
Tokolosh
Sep 13, 7:52am
Yes, correct and I choose your response
Forbidden Fruit
Sep 13, 7:53am
But all these replies show you the problem. Codes support left turn yielding... if there is an accident
Tokolosh
Sep 13, 7:56am
Left turn arrows going first before regular green lights have corrupted common sense at stop signs.
valcorger
Sep 13, 8:36am
Correct - If there is no cross traffic, then the person who arrived first goes first.
Skeptical Optimist
Sep 13, 8:17am
This is the correct answer. Most here are treating this as a 4-way stop
Submariner
Sep 13, 9:21am
You're out here causing accidents man..
Yes
Sep 13, 7:52am
He got there first.
Longseason
Sep 13, 7:53am
Whelp. I’m wrong.
Longseason
Sep 13, 7:59am
The rest of you. Shame.
Forbidden Fruit
Sep 13, 8:00am
Maybe you should check the source.
2ndTrombone
Sep 13, 8:07am
That isn't code, that is defensive driving. If both were to go and an accident happened the left turner would be cited.
Tokolosh
Sep 13, 8:13am
We aren't talking about if both decide to go. We are talking about who should go
2ndTrombone
Sep 13, 8:20am
Left turner has to yield. It isn't about courtesy, it is about being predictable and efficient.
Tokolosh
Sep 13, 8:25am
I'm not arguing that. Of course left turn yields to a car in the intersection.
2ndTrombone
Sep 13, 8:31am
Doesn't change the answer. Straight has the right of way. If they both go and there is an accident the left turner...
Tokolosh
Sep 13, 8:34am
Again, this is about them being stopped and deciding who should go.
2ndTrombone
Sep 13, 8:37am
Dude, that's what he's saying. Order of arrival doesn't matter if you have to wait for traffic to clear. think of it as
jaromp
Sep 13, 11:42am
If there is an accident in this scenario then both drivers should be cited
kalifi
Sep 13, 8:38am
Maybe so, but they generally won't be. The left turner will get the ticket.
Tokolosh
Sep 13, 8:40am
Insurance will find both at fault. It’s preventable.
kalifi
Sep 13, 8:43am
For efficiency, this makes the most sense. Which is also why the car on the
RobAdams
Sep 13, 8:33am
100% this! People being "polite" to let others go when they don't have the right
morningcalmcougar
Sep 13, 8:35am
Lol. ChatGPT tells you what you want to hear. I played "paper rock scissors" with it once and it conceded defeat
Bert609
Sep 13, 8:10am
But in this case ChatGPT is right. Codes support its conclusion.
Tokolosh
Sep 13, 8:13am
This is what ChatGPT told me:
Bert609
Sep 13, 8:15am
Great post. Mind if I copy and paste it to another thread from this morning?
John Doe
Sep 13, 8:14am
This is why we can't have roundabouts.
maYbe
Sep 13, 7:56am
Not sure what you mean by that. Roundabouts help solve this problem.
RobAdams
Sep 13, 8:20am
He was there first. Not sure of the law, but I vote for the first guy.
Ragnar Danneskjold
Sep 13, 7:57am
You're thinking of the tie-breaker.
2ndTrombone
Sep 13, 8:01am
RE: You're thinking of the tie-breaker.
Forbidden Fruit
Sep 13, 8:02am
Please cite your sources.
2ndTrombone
Sep 13, 8:12am
No. Tie-breaker always goes to the car on the right.
TRUE_BLUE_COUGY
Sep 13, 8:28am
There is no car to the right. They are across from each other.
kalifi
Sep 13, 8:34am
Ah, I misread it. My bad.
TRUE_BLUE_COUGY
Sep 13, 8:38am
Tiebreaker has nothing to do with this. The left turning driver must yield to
Adwight
Sep 13, 8:47am
waiting for traffic to clear initiates the tie-breaker because when cross-traffic clears you're both already there
jaromp
Sep 13, 11:45am
This made me think of the law in new Zealand, or at least how it was explained
Longseason
Sep 13, 8:06am
Here’s another thread on this
Forbidden Fruit
Sep 13, 8:11am
<< Deleted >>
spinner
Sep 13, 8:14am
Here’s the actual law on this from my state (WA). You are correct here, and I
Salami Karate
Sep 13, 8:22am
Within the intersection is not the same thing as both stopped
2ndTrombone
Sep 13, 8:23am
What does “approaching from the opposite direction” mean?
Salami Karate
Sep 13, 8:24am
Orientation of the vehicles.
2ndTrombone
Sep 13, 8:26am
I don’t know what you mean. I think my link is lawspeak for the situation in OP.
Salami Karate
Sep 13, 8:28am
Your link addresses the situation where one of the cars has entered
2ndTrombone
Sep 13, 8:33am
It says the opposite car has entered the intersection “or so close thereto,”
Salami Karate
Sep 13, 8:37am
That implies to me that it is moving, but you're not sure if it crossed yet.
2ndTrombone
Sep 13, 8:38am
Your quoted text is the scenario at a green light and you are turning left. You may have entered the intersection first
Bert609
Sep 13, 8:36am
Oh I can see that. That makes sense, thanks.
Salami Karate
Sep 13, 8:38am
Bruh... how old are you?
TRUE_BLUE_COUGY
Sep 13, 8:27am
I’m 89, why?
Forbidden Fruit
Sep 13, 9:07am
The bigger rig goes first. At least it did when I drove an F250 in high school:)
morningcalmcougar
Sep 13, 8:32am
Car turning left must yield to the car going straight. Every time. No matter
Adwight
Sep 13, 8:45am
I asked a cop about this very situation because I dealt with it a on a regular
MurrayCoug
Sep 13, 10:26am
Here's from the Utah Drivers handbook:
notaboy
Sep 13, 8:48am
Driver at the intersection before you is listed first. Hahahaha
kalifi
Sep 13, 8:51am
But pedestrians are listed last, so if that is a list in order, the
Submariner
Sep 13, 9:25am
Whoever got there first since that’s what you’d do if there was no cross traffic
Ben Swife
Sep 13, 10:27am
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