If the Pac 12 is going all in on money vs visibility, they aren't going

Feb 9, 2023
2:49:58pm

byusage All-American

to change their situation much. If the casual fan can't see their games easily, the conference slides even further into obscurity, strengthening the East coast bias even more. Why double down on a previous mistake?

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Big Athletic report just dropped

Art Director

2/9/23 10:55am

Um has there really been talk of the PAC getting more money by anyone legit

Nat Gas Man

2/9/23 10:58am

That writer acts like someone wants the content. 🙄

Viva Campeche

2/9/23 11:00am

To answer your question as simply as possible:

The_Cuss

2/9/23 11:49am

All obvious stuff

Mitty

2/9/23 10:59am

Sometimes university presidents need you to really spell it out for them.

Art Director

2/9/23 11:01am

Explain it to them like they're five.

squidmark

2/9/23 1:37pm

So that 31.6 million is only part of the money pie the Big 12 gets, right?

Adrielle

2/9/23 11:05am

TV only. Does not include playoff, bowl, NCAA credits, etc.

mulletino

2/9/23 11:08am

As a point of reference, the P12 existing TV deal pays each team $21mm/yr but...

Das_Countach

2/9/23 1:29pm

Yes

SUAVO

2/9/23 11:10am

Correct. Estimated total per team is $51 million. The $31 mil is only for TV. It

BlooCoog

2/9/23 11:17am

The article basically confirms the PAC expansion strategy is to invite teams, give them a small share of revenue,

TCuz

2/9/23 11:07am

Excess is going to certain schools, Utah not one of them. Pretty sure it

Blue for Life

2/9/23 11:12am

Why would other PAC schools agree to that? UW/UO have nowhere to go.

NorCal_Coug

2/9/23 11:15am

The B12 is always an option for them. The B12 would take them for sure. Main

LifeLongLakerFan

2/9/23 11:43am

It will be an option until the conference is full at 16. After that I think

Nat Gas Man

2/9/23 11:47am

Let's say the B10 comes to visit again, who are they going after?

Blue for Life

2/9/23 1:55pm

If it’s in the west obviously some combo of Wash/UO/Stanford…. BUT

NorCal_Coug

2/9/23 7:04pm

Doesn't matter if they can't go anywhere. They think they can, so won't sign GOR

akbarishiwatsu

2/9/23 2:33pm

It's a winning long-term strategy.

Art Director

2/9/23 11:12am

Which is a great short term strategy for Oregon and Washington.

Baylorbears11

2/9/23 12:05pm

That will be a long wait

Nat Gas Man

2/9/23 12:11pm

Yeah sure, wait some more. That worked out well for the PAC12... LOL

The_Cuss

2/9/23 12:13pm

It's bad long term for PAC, but Oregon and Washington want B1G and $$$...

Baylorbears11

2/9/23 12:40pm

They can want all they want. Rumors are going around that USC vetoed OR to the

Nat Gas Man

2/9/23 12:46pm

That may be, but if they think they have a longterm future in the PAC...

Baylorbears11

2/9/23 12:54pm

Exactly it is a complete mess

Nat Gas Man

2/9/23 1:17pm

I thought it was more that Oregon doesn't fit academically in the B1G

Schultz is back

2/9/23 5:55pm

So a ponzi scheme.

panacablue

2/9/23 12:21pm

But those partial-share agreements only last a few years, so who cares?

Mitty

2/9/23 1:13pm

So George was not kicking (butt)?

CougarCanuck76

2/9/23 11:28am

Well, he is involved in a butt kicking

NOCAL_YFAN

2/9/23 11:39am

Wait, the WAC10 is struggling to find buyers for their weak sports product?

The_Cuss

2/9/23 11:54am

Kliavkoff "overpromised" according to the PAC 12 AD interviewed. It's left some

BlooCoog

2/9/23 1:14pm

Please stop eyeing Utah

YOHONOMOTO

2/9/23 1:28pm

You're missing probably the most critical paragraph there:

TFL

2/9/23 1:47pm

Selling off your rights to a streamer at this point just to boost your payout

SLIVER

2/9/23 1:54pm

If the app isn't connected to Amazon prime nobody outside of fans of that

SUAVO

2/9/23 1:59pm

Even if it’s on Prime the results will be questionable

YOHONOMOTO

2/9/23 2:25pm

Very true, but prime is their best option

SUAVO

2/9/23 2:33pm

I agree. However, it's not a doomsday scenario if the price tag is $30 million +. Big 12 guys have been claiming

TFL

2/9/23 2:05pm

It's not the pac12's decision on who gets their tier 1 rights. If it's ESPN,

SUAVO

2/9/23 2:19pm

It absolutely is. Amazon knows it is overpaying and everyone else knows the PAC will not attract any eyeballs.

TheLoneCougar

2/9/23 2:23pm

Nah...missing the CFP is 100% due to parity when the top teams were upset. Oregon, USC and Utah have all bumped

TFL

2/9/23 2:41pm

If the Pac 12 is going all in on money vs visibility, they aren't going

byusage

2/9/23 2:49pm

I showed you the numbers. Casual fans are seeing the big games. That's all that matters. 12-team format will only help

TFL

2/9/23 2:57pm

So, who is going to pick up those games? If Amazon has tier 1and ESPN has tier 2

SUAVO

2/9/23 4:18pm

Everyone wants to see USC return to greatness, that had little to nothing to do with Utah. Sorry, as great as your

TheLoneCougar

2/9/23 3:27pm

Weird...because I bet most those watching weren't USC or Utah fans rather those who wanted to see Utah win

TFL

2/9/23 6:05pm

They watched to see if USC would win the conference. The biggest storyline in

SUAVO

2/9/23 6:19pm

The hubris is amazing. People turned out to watch and see if USC was going to make the CFP. College football benefits

TheLoneCougar

2/9/23 7:16pm

People outside of Utah fans wanted to see Utah win to get a playoff spot?

Blue for Life

2/10/23 7:17am

They wanted Utah to beat USC, so USC misses the playoffs and opens up a spot for Alabama, TCU or Ohio State

TFL

2/10/23 12:40pm

That I can see and looking at your post I see it says to open up a spot.

Blue for Life

2/10/23 1:53pm

I gotcha. No worries.

TFL

2/10/23 1:55pm

When Utah figures out how to beat a P5 opponent not in the PAC, you can consider using the word great.

slatecoug

2/9/23 11:21pm

And how have most of the PAC games fared?

slatecoug

2/9/23 11:19pm

It's not just Big 12 guys claiming the low 20's

slatecoug

2/9/23 11:18pm

Those 2-months old predictions are starting to be questioned

RGGeemer

2/9/23 2:06pm

Marchand has hedged that recently...

Baylorbears11

2/9/23 2:11pm

The problem is Amazons streaming numbers for the NFL came in far lower than

Nat Gas Man

2/9/23 2:19pm

If it was streaming-only across the board including tier 1, you're right. It doesn't seem like that's the case. Let's be

TFL

2/9/23 2:30pm

True...but it would seem that expansion is a continuation or a necessity to secure that amount. I get it. It's not ideal

TFL

2/9/23 2:28pm

Try selling streaming on Amazon over playing on ESPN to a recruit

deliciousmocha

2/9/23 3:09pm

ESPN is likely the other network with Amazon.

TFL

2/9/23 3:25pm

Ouch

HairyCougar

2/10/23 9:59am

Don't burst TFL's bubble. He is absolutely convinced he is right. After all he

The_Cuss

2/10/23 12:41pm

Ourand has since backtracked from that guess in his subsequent podcasts.

HairyCougar

2/9/23 4:45pm

Talk about searching high and low to try and find a source.

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