If it was streaming-only across the board including tier 1, you're right. It doesn't seem like that's the case. Let's be

Feb 9, 2023
2:30:43pm

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honest, nobody but die hard fans are watching tier 2 and 3 P12 content. Especially the P12 network only content.

AMZN streaming won't help that...but it's going to be easier for fans to access than P12N.

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Big Athletic report just dropped

Art Director

2/9/23 10:55am

Um has there really been talk of the PAC getting more money by anyone legit

Nat Gas Man

2/9/23 10:58am

That writer acts like someone wants the content. 🙄

Viva Campeche

2/9/23 11:00am

To answer your question as simply as possible:

The_Cuss

2/9/23 11:49am

All obvious stuff

Mitty

2/9/23 10:59am

Sometimes university presidents need you to really spell it out for them.

Art Director

2/9/23 11:01am

Explain it to them like they're five.

squidmark

2/9/23 1:37pm

So that 31.6 million is only part of the money pie the Big 12 gets, right?

Adrielle

2/9/23 11:05am

TV only. Does not include playoff, bowl, NCAA credits, etc.

mulletino

2/9/23 11:08am

As a point of reference, the P12 existing TV deal pays each team $21mm/yr but...

Das_Countach

2/9/23 1:29pm

Yes

SUAVO

2/9/23 11:10am

Correct. Estimated total per team is $51 million. The $31 mil is only for TV. It

BlooCoog

2/9/23 11:17am

The article basically confirms the PAC expansion strategy is to invite teams, give them a small share of revenue,

TCuz

2/9/23 11:07am

Excess is going to certain schools, Utah not one of them. Pretty sure it

Blue for Life

2/9/23 11:12am

Why would other PAC schools agree to that? UW/UO have nowhere to go.

NorCal_Coug

2/9/23 11:15am

The B12 is always an option for them. The B12 would take them for sure. Main

LifeLongLakerFan

2/9/23 11:43am

It will be an option until the conference is full at 16. After that I think

Nat Gas Man

2/9/23 11:47am

Let's say the B10 comes to visit again, who are they going after?

Blue for Life

2/9/23 1:55pm

If it’s in the west obviously some combo of Wash/UO/Stanford…. BUT

NorCal_Coug

2/9/23 7:04pm

Doesn't matter if they can't go anywhere. They think they can, so won't sign GOR

akbarishiwatsu

2/9/23 2:33pm

It's a winning long-term strategy.

Art Director

2/9/23 11:12am

Which is a great short term strategy for Oregon and Washington.

Baylorbears11

2/9/23 12:05pm

That will be a long wait

Nat Gas Man

2/9/23 12:11pm

Yeah sure, wait some more. That worked out well for the PAC12... LOL

The_Cuss

2/9/23 12:13pm

It's bad long term for PAC, but Oregon and Washington want B1G and $$$...

Baylorbears11

2/9/23 12:40pm

They can want all they want. Rumors are going around that USC vetoed OR to the

Nat Gas Man

2/9/23 12:46pm

That may be, but if they think they have a longterm future in the PAC...

Baylorbears11

2/9/23 12:54pm

Exactly it is a complete mess

Nat Gas Man

2/9/23 1:17pm

I thought it was more that Oregon doesn't fit academically in the B1G

Schultz is back

2/9/23 5:55pm

So a ponzi scheme.

panacablue

2/9/23 12:21pm

But those partial-share agreements only last a few years, so who cares?

Mitty

2/9/23 1:13pm

So George was not kicking (butt)?

CougarCanuck76

2/9/23 11:28am

Well, he is involved in a butt kicking

NOCAL_YFAN

2/9/23 11:39am

Wait, the WAC10 is struggling to find buyers for their weak sports product?

The_Cuss

2/9/23 11:54am

Kliavkoff "overpromised" according to the PAC 12 AD interviewed. It's left some

BlooCoog

2/9/23 1:14pm

Please stop eyeing Utah

YOHONOMOTO

2/9/23 1:28pm

You're missing probably the most critical paragraph there:

TFL

2/9/23 1:47pm

Selling off your rights to a streamer at this point just to boost your payout

SLIVER

2/9/23 1:54pm

If the app isn't connected to Amazon prime nobody outside of fans of that

SUAVO

2/9/23 1:59pm

Even if it’s on Prime the results will be questionable

YOHONOMOTO

2/9/23 2:25pm

Very true, but prime is their best option

SUAVO

2/9/23 2:33pm

I agree. However, it's not a doomsday scenario if the price tag is $30 million +. Big 12 guys have been claiming

TFL

2/9/23 2:05pm

It's not the pac12's decision on who gets their tier 1 rights. If it's ESPN,

SUAVO

2/9/23 2:19pm

It absolutely is. Amazon knows it is overpaying and everyone else knows the PAC will not attract any eyeballs.

TheLoneCougar

2/9/23 2:23pm

Nah...missing the CFP is 100% due to parity when the top teams were upset. Oregon, USC and Utah have all bumped

TFL

2/9/23 2:41pm

If the Pac 12 is going all in on money vs visibility, they aren't going

byusage

2/9/23 2:49pm

I showed you the numbers. Casual fans are seeing the big games. That's all that matters. 12-team format will only help

TFL

2/9/23 2:57pm

So, who is going to pick up those games? If Amazon has tier 1and ESPN has tier 2

SUAVO

2/9/23 4:18pm

Everyone wants to see USC return to greatness, that had little to nothing to do with Utah. Sorry, as great as your

TheLoneCougar

2/9/23 3:27pm

Weird...because I bet most those watching weren't USC or Utah fans rather those who wanted to see Utah win

TFL

2/9/23 6:05pm

They watched to see if USC would win the conference. The biggest storyline in

SUAVO

2/9/23 6:19pm

The hubris is amazing. People turned out to watch and see if USC was going to make the CFP. College football benefits

TheLoneCougar

2/9/23 7:16pm

People outside of Utah fans wanted to see Utah win to get a playoff spot?

Blue for Life

2/10/23 7:17am

They wanted Utah to beat USC, so USC misses the playoffs and opens up a spot for Alabama, TCU or Ohio State

TFL

2/10/23 12:40pm

That I can see and looking at your post I see it says to open up a spot.

Blue for Life

2/10/23 1:53pm

I gotcha. No worries.

TFL

2/10/23 1:55pm

When Utah figures out how to beat a P5 opponent not in the PAC, you can consider using the word great.

slatecoug

2/9/23 11:21pm

And how have most of the PAC games fared?

slatecoug

2/9/23 11:19pm

It's not just Big 12 guys claiming the low 20's

slatecoug

2/9/23 11:18pm

Those 2-months old predictions are starting to be questioned

RGGeemer

2/9/23 2:06pm

Marchand has hedged that recently...

Baylorbears11

2/9/23 2:11pm

The problem is Amazons streaming numbers for the NFL came in far lower than

Nat Gas Man

2/9/23 2:19pm

If it was streaming-only across the board including tier 1, you're right. It doesn't seem like that's the case. Let's be

TFL

2/9/23 2:30pm

True...but it would seem that expansion is a continuation or a necessity to secure that amount. I get it. It's not ideal

TFL

2/9/23 2:28pm

Try selling streaming on Amazon over playing on ESPN to a recruit

deliciousmocha

2/9/23 3:09pm

ESPN is likely the other network with Amazon.

TFL

2/9/23 3:25pm

Ouch

HairyCougar

2/10/23 9:59am

Don't burst TFL's bubble. He is absolutely convinced he is right. After all he

The_Cuss

2/10/23 12:41pm

Ourand has since backtracked from that guess in his subsequent podcasts.

HairyCougar

2/9/23 4:45pm

Talk about searching high and low to try and find a source.

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