That’s a low bar, and by that standard, I wonder how many “signature wins”

Jan 1, 2025
5:19:19pm

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teams in the SEC and B1G could rightfully claim.

No matter how you define it, the Big 12 is just weaker. Solid depth but light on elite teams.

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At the end of the day those of us who thought BSU getting a bye was ridiculous

Methusaleh22

Jan 1, 12:25am

I'm fine with them in the CFP. Their seeding was unfair

Bob Vance

Jan 1, 12:31am

I don’t think a G5 conference champ should earn a spot. Autobids only to P4

CougFan4EverEver

Jan 1, 12:32am

I'm good with a token 12 seed. Everyone should have a path. Giving them a bye

Methusaleh22

Jan 1, 12:35am

I’m actually ok with the bye, but they should’ve been re-seeded. They should’ve played Oregon

KingDave

Jan 1, 12:49am

I like that idea but creates a lot of uncertainty for fans who want to travel.

garyfan

Jan 1, 12:59am

It also makes bracket contests hard to do.

Methusaleh22

Jan 1, 1:05am

Well, we can’t have that.

KingDave

Jan 1, 1:08am

It’s exactly what the NFL does, no? Besides, with a playoff, there’s uncertainty for fan travel with every game

KingDave

Jan 1, 1:08am

But they don't do neutral site games.

Methusaleh22

Jan 1, 1:09am

I bet in the next ten years the FBS won’t either

KingDave

Jan 1, 1:30am

Boise St. and ASU have known for almost a month where their next game is.

garyfan

Jan 1, 1:11am

Not really. In the current NFL playoff format, only the top seed gets a bye, in

Japan Coug

Jan 1, 5:02am

If we were in their shoes, we'd have said the opposite. Why not P4 conf champs?

cajuncoug

Jan 1, 4:21am

Were they worse than Clemson? If not, they were going to get a bye.

Indy Coug

Jan 1, 12:37am

I think he’s saying give the byes to the top 4 teams, not the top 4 conf champs.

garyfan

Jan 1, 12:41am

Hate it. The Big XII champ would almost never get a bye.

gwalker

Jan 1, 12:54am

That’s more a commentary on the Big 12 than on the system.

garyfan

Jan 1, 12:58am

Anyone that doesn’t realize there’s bias in the system is asleep. Maybe that

gwalker

Jan 1, 1:09am

Well this far they've been proven correct. No one outside of the P2/Notre Dame

Methusaleh22

Jan 1, 1:12am

Which SEC/B1G team didn’t deserve their playoff spot, and which teams should

garyfan

Jan 1, 1:12am

You can make a good case Tennessee and Indiana didn’t belong. And, while I’m not

gwalker

Jan 1, 1:19am

What I think is bizarre is the argument that we should have gotten in over a

garyfan

Jan 1, 1:35am

I didn’t say it could only be the result of bias. I didn’t even say it was the

gwalker

Jan 1, 1:45am

You aren’t saying there was bias this year???

garyfan

Jan 1, 1:53am

My first post in this thread was to say we shouldn’t change the byes because it

gwalker

Jan 1, 1:59am

The last forty years have shown that the best teams are clustered in certain

garyfan

Jan 1, 2:18am

They would when they deserved it.

Methusaleh22

Jan 1, 1:08am

Bull. The best the Big XII champ would ever do is the 5 spot. Same for ACC

gwalker

Jan 1, 1:11am

Here’s something people need to come to terms with.

garyfan

Jan 1, 1:17am

How many times did Texas win the Big XII? Even over the last ten years? You

gwalker

Jan 1, 1:22am

You can’t deny that Texas is now an elite program that would have been elite in

garyfan

Jan 1, 1:37am

Which teams are elite ebbs and flows. USC had a run of being elite. They haven’t

gwalker

Jan 1, 1:54am

I don’t even know what your point is.

garyfan

Jan 1, 2:00am

Really? How did OU and Texas do over the last 10 years? How did OU do THIS year?

gwalker

Jan 1, 2:08am

Since 2015, OU won the Big 12 six times. And while UT has been down (for them)

garyfan

Jan 1, 2:24am

*BigXII replaced TX and OU with BYU, Hou, UCF, Cin- the PAC schools came later-

wildwilderness

Jan 1, 2:02am

Yeah, I’m even ignoring some of the very weak adds the Big 12 has done.

garyfan

Jan 1, 2:26am

Was with you till that last paragraph. ASU getting a new Coach & great RB was a bigger factor in turnaround than B12.

Soupie

Jan 1, 7:00am

RE: Was with you till that last paragraph. ASU getting a new Coach & great

garyfan

Jan 1, 8:13am

I don’t define signature win only as beating a name brand team.

ThundaDan

Jan 1, 8:20am

These arguments are trying to dance around reality.

garyfan

Jan 1, 10:10am

But in the same breathe you are also saying that it is significant to beat Texas

ThundaDan

Jan 1, 11:40am

I don’t know if you noticed but Texas is excellent this year.

garyfan

Jan 1, 11:56am

I just disagree that you can’t get a signature win without beating Texas or OK

ThundaDan

Jan 1, 12:10pm

The current B12 offers no such opportunities.

garyfan

Jan 1, 1:44pm

I disagree. I don’t think you have to be a brand name to be a “signature win”

ThundaDan

Jan 1, 4:12pm

Which signature wins were available in the Big 12 this year?

garyfan

Jan 1, 4:31pm

I think beating SMU, KState and Colorado were signature wins this year

ThundaDan

Jan 1, 5:08pm

That’s a low bar, and by that standard, I wonder how many “signature wins”

garyfan

Jan 1, 5:19pm

Why is that a low bar? 2 of the teams I mentioned made the playoffs and another

ThundaDan

Jan 1, 5:25pm

Nobody is arguing FSU was a signature win this year. SMU is a quality win, not a

garyfan

Jan 1, 9:06pm

So you think ASU would have stunk again this year if playing in the same PAC?

RobDog

Jan 1, 8:35am

ASU wouldn’t have stunk this year in the PAC. But they’d have more than one loss

garyfan

Jan 1, 10:01am

They do in the B12 as well.

RobDog

Jan 1, 10:33am

Plus we should have given them one more

RobDog

Jan 1, 10:37am

Umm… BYU was ranked #6 and would have finished much higher undefeated. Higher

NYC and Japan

Jan 1, 1:27pm

My argument is neither deserved a bye. But Clemson was a better team.

Methusaleh22

Jan 1, 1:07am

Clemsons wins in the crappy ACC that has been exposed in the bowl games isnt

Goliath

Jan 1, 5:36am

Is an ACC conference schedule more challenging than a MWC schedule? If so, Clemson should get the bye and not Boise.

TheLoneCougar

Jan 1, 7:36am

That might make sense if their records were equal

Goliath

Jan 1, 9:13am

It’s just how it all played out this year.. had the perfect storm of

1984coug

Jan 1, 12:39am

I agree but more of this story will be written when we see ASU tomorrow.

garyfan

Jan 1, 12:42am

How about no byes and add four more teams?

sah22

Jan 1, 5:38am

Maybe even reseed after 1st round. Had 2 weeks since last played so fans can travel.

Soupie

Jan 1, 7:04am

No way. More crappy lopsided games. I say 8 would be best and quicker

wildwilderness

Jan 1, 1:40pm

Yep. Autobids to top 5 conf champs and bye to top 4 ranked

SouthernCoug

Jan 1, 6:10am

College football has changed. Conferences don’t mean much unless in P2.

zerome4sooners

Jan 1, 7:02am

Boise absolutely deserved to be in the Playoff, but not one of the top 4 teams deserving a bye.

TheLoneCougar

Jan 1, 7:38am

Boise State was in that game until the last few minutes. Had their field goal

Jarhead

Jan 1, 7:46am

I think after the results of some of these playoff games you will see the SEC

HonestTakes

Jan 1, 8:18am

Which is completely laughable but that won’t stop them.

Soupie

Jan 1, 9:19am

I agree but that is the delusional world they live in

HonestTakes

Jan 1, 11:21am

Flawed logic. Many of Boise’s teams would have won the game but would never be

RobDog

Jan 1, 8:18am

Honestly i think anyone getting bye is stupid, just add 4 teams to the playoff

Dat_rmishner

Jan 1, 8:49am

I think this makes sense. But it does diminish the conference championship.

RobDog

Jan 1, 9:14am

Conf champs can get an auto bid without getting a bye.

Soupie

Jan 1, 9:20am

Sure but conference champs don’t need an autobid in a 16-team tournament.

garyfan

Jan 1, 10:11am

This is the solution, conf champs are rewarded with an auto bid..

Dat_rmishner

Jan 2, 5:47pm

16 team playoff. P4 and best G5 conference champs get seeded by the committee,

PflugrCugr

Jan 1, 11:48am

Like this.

Soupie

Jan 1, 12:01pm

You can’t force a 5-seed to play on the road just because the 12-seed they

garyfan

Jan 1, 12:07pm

Conference championships matter.

PflugrCugr

Jan 1, 3:32pm

I suppose you may also think Oregon shouldn’t have gotten a bye.

Jarhead

Jan 1, 8:36pm

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