It's so weird how people blame the OC but not the HC for recruiting issues

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Jan 2, 2025
1:32:33pm

SJS Shaky place kicker

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Please please ARod land a big QB

TNT

Jan 2, 1:26pm

Kalani*

shimmy

Jan 2, 1:27pm

Cause ARod has nothing to do with it. LOL

Coug

Jan 2, 1:30pm

Of course he has something to do with it, but people are pretending this isn't a Kalani thing.

shimmy

Jan 2, 1:31pm

That's because Kalani isn't going anywhere

TNT

Jan 2, 1:32pm

So that means the buck doesn't stop with him anymore?

shimmy

Jan 2, 1:34pm

As of now he can't be replaced. ARod can

TNT

Jan 2, 1:35pm

So that explains why you want to blame Arod, but has nothing to do with shifting the actual responsibility.

shimmy

Jan 2, 1:37pm

Kalani does take some of the blame for sure

TNT

Jan 2, 1:37pm

So did Kalani not land Zach, or Jaren? Because Kalani holds the same position

Polecat

Jan 2, 1:33pm

Kalani gets credit for those.

shimmy

Jan 2, 1:35pm

To most of us reasonable people, yes. I do think there are some who are

Polecat

Jan 2, 1:38pm

Kalani was integral in landing Zach. I said this when I was being

kimdaddy35

Jan 2, 1:41pm

Bronco landed Jaren. Kalani landed Zach.

kimdaddy35

Jan 2, 1:35pm

ARod is the OC and pseudo QB coach... his responsibility is recruiting QB's

Coug

Jan 2, 1:35pm

Then of course there’s the fact they Retzlaff is a recruiting win for Arod, for

Polecat

Jan 2, 1:42pm

It's almost like you have no idea how a D1 program recruits

SJS

Jan 2, 1:43pm

So Kalani is a micromanager, that's your position?

Coug

Jan 2, 1:48pm

Being involved in recruiting stars = micromanaging.

shimmy

Jan 2, 1:52pm

According to you

Coug

Jan 2, 1:52pm

You’re taking in circles now.

shimmy

Jan 2, 2:00pm

I'm not the person calling Kalani a micromanager... you are

Coug

Jan 2, 2:03pm

That isn’t how language works, bud.

shimmy

Jan 2, 2:06pm

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Coug

Jan 2, 2:46pm

It's so weird how people blame the OC but not the HC for recruiting issues

SJS

Jan 2, 1:32pm

Kalani is more likeable and they're already crying about Arod so it is a time saver.

shimmy

Jan 2, 1:33pm

If you go to the recruit sites... it shows the coach that is recruiting each individual...

Coug

Jan 2, 1:36pm

Maybe you've just got an axe to grind?

SJS

Jan 2, 1:38pm

LOL. As if that means anything

shimmy

Jan 2, 1:38pm

If Kalani has to hold ARod's hand to get a QB... I guess it's Kalani's fault then

Coug

Jan 2, 1:41pm

Kalani has to be involved and the closer on any big recruit- including anyone imminently slated to be starting QB.

shimmy

Jan 2, 1:44pm

Well let’s follow the pattern here. Kalani is head coach the entire time.

Polecat

Jan 2, 1:37pm

You think OCs offer kids without the HC's input?

SJS

Jan 2, 1:39pm

No I don’t think that. I do think Kalani trusts his assistants and ultimately

Polecat

Jan 2, 1:42pm

Link to this "evidence"?

SJS

Jan 2, 1:44pm

Meant to say trust. I’ve already spelled out the evidence. Detmer wanted his

Polecat

Jan 2, 1:49pm

What does he do then???

coolblue

Jan 2, 2:14pm

Why don’t you write to him and ask him?

Polecat

Jan 2, 3:16pm

If an assistant coach is failing in his recruiting duties... than Kalani takes the heat for keeping that assistant coach

Coug

Jan 2, 1:40pm

My point is I see people being inconsistent their opinions. If the offense is

Polecat

Jan 2, 1:46pm

Or maybe the idea of responibility is highly nuanced, far beyond what the "Fire ARod" crowd thinks

SJS

Jan 2, 1:48pm

It’s absolutely nuanced. Any head coach is allowed to divvy out responsibility

Polecat

Jan 2, 1:50pm

Yes... Kalani choose to keep a failing coach in Tuiaki and Funk... that ultimately falls on Kalani's shoulders then...

Coug

Jan 2, 1:51pm

Link to people who say "ARod can do no wrong"?

SJS

Jan 2, 1:54pm

Show me first where I said that people are saying it, I believe I used the word "Believe" not "say"

Coug

Jan 2, 1:59pm

RE: Show me first where I said that people are saying it, I believe I used the word "Believe" not "say"

SJS

Jan 2, 2:03pm

RE: Show me first where I said that people are saying it, I believe I used the word "Believe" not "say"

Coug

Jan 2, 2:07pm

Well, we went 11-2, best team since 1996. It would be fair to say I have no complaints.

SJS

Jan 2, 2:19pm

That's great... let's see if it pays off with recruiting...

Coug

Jan 2, 2:26pm

RE: That's great... let's see if it pays off with recruiting...

SJS

Jan 2, 2:38pm

Color me not shocked that you were a Tuiaki defender...

Coug

Jan 2, 2:47pm

RE: Color me not shocked that you were a Tuiaki defender...

SJS

Jan 2, 2:52pm

Now do Jay Hill. Kalani is 100% responsible for all things Jay Hill, right?

Polecat

Jan 2, 3:17pm

And not paying a million for a 4 star QB

I'mBatman

Jan 2, 4:16pm

RE: Please please ARod land a big QB

byujacob

Jan 2, 1:28pm

RE: Please please ARod land a big QB

StantonMac

Jan 2, 1:29pm

Wowsers. He should be in a horror movie

TNT

Jan 2, 1:31pm

You looking at Ewers. Only $6 million.

maYbe

Jan 2, 1:30pm

Arch

kimdaddy35

Jan 2, 1:31pm

Recruiting QBs is definitely a HC job. At least it is with every other program

kimdaddy35

Jan 2, 1:31pm

At the very least it is Kalani's job to get the $$$ to get the QB. And BYU is gonna have to overpay to get a star away

shimmy

Jan 2, 1:36pm

Yes that is the very least. When I spoke to a couple of big time recruits that chose other programs

kimdaddy35

Jan 2, 1:38pm

Kalani has to be intricately involved with Ryder Lyons. If not he should just abandon ship. (I absolutely believe he is)

shimmy

Jan 2, 1:40pm

Agreed. Lyons is a program changing type of talent. If you are running the program then

kimdaddy35

Jan 2, 1:44pm

Man if he isn't.........

TNT

Jan 2, 1:44pm

If he isn't he should resign. He has to be. We also are at a major disadvantage. If we were P2 I'd almost be willing to

shimmy

Jan 2, 1:46pm

He agrees with all of that but Kalani wouldn't resign

TNT

Jan 2, 1:48pm

Needs to be a priority even if they believe Retzlaff is the guy

Beggar

Jan 2, 1:33pm

They have "those" types of guys in Hillstead and Bourgeot.

kimdaddy35

Jan 2, 1:34pm

Like who? Which portal qb do you think they should go after?

runnincoug

Jan 2, 1:41pm

Not necessarily for next season. Just land a big-time recruit

TNT

Jan 2, 1:43pm

Devin Brown should be officially in the market and discussing offers now

Captain Stubing

Jan 2, 1:48pm

I asked yesterday, but didn't get much of a response. Is he on the table for BYU?

HTCougar

Jan 2, 1:54pm

How would that pitch go? Devin, I know you were a backup at Ohio St. How would you like to

kimdaddy35

Jan 2, 1:59pm

Come compete for the starting job. That is what Bohannon was told, right?

Captain Stubing

Jan 2, 2:10pm

Bohannon was coming into a situation where Jake had been the QB for just 4 games and had gone 0-4

kimdaddy35

Jan 2, 2:16pm

ya , I get it is a tough sell. We need a QB that has 3 to play 3, or a redshirt

Captain Stubing

Jan 2, 2:35pm

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