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Dec 1, 2024
8:37:18am

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So who’s responsible if the offense regresses and players start to underperform?

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Anybody ripping on A Rod

Dec 1, 1:14am

Just insane when you have wide open guys dropping it all over the place and

Socrates Johnson

Dec 1, 1:16am

Sounds like they're coached super well and the offense is well coordinated.

foofcoug

Dec 1, 1:20am

This is true! The fans need to do better and be better

coot20

Dec 1, 11:22am

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Dec 1, 1:20am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:21am

I love when Arod lovers get ratioed non-stop… also, this comment is hilarious

Dec 1, 7:47am

Maybe Fesi needs to work with his position group more?

Dec 1, 8:54am

No but he did call a fade. No excuses for that. He knows Jake can’t do it, so why call it?!

cougarfanatic

Dec 1, 1:17am

Very little chance that was the first read for that play call.

JuicyJam

Dec 1, 1:18am

The option to throw the ball should not have even been in play. When that throw

indocoug

Dec 3, 12:20am

I don’t disagree with that!

Dec 1, 1:19am

So completely eliminate a route on every play? It wasnt supposed to go there

775coug

Dec 1, 1:25am

Standard play sheesh when are people going to get over that?

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 1, 1:31am

actually he probably knows Jake can do it, because he has done it

BYURider

Dec 1, 7:23am

Biggest issue was a fade to a TE.

ImuaKahuku

Dec 1, 7:58am

Jake called and threw the fade

I'mBatman

Dec 1, 8:18am

Then as OC you have to say "this is the play. DO NOT AUDIBLE OUT." They weren't stopping the run, we had 2 TO left. The

unctoothman

Dec 1, 8:32am

You don't micromanage a QB like that. You teach him the principles and let him go out there and play ball.

Dec 1, 8:57am

Yes, until he repeatedly does it. At the end of the day, it's your (OCs) job on the line if QB fails. Not his. It's okay

unctoothman

Dec 1, 9:49am

My job isn't on the line at 10-2.

Dec 1, 3:35pm

How does an offense have success if you can’t trust the QB to audible?

puntersarepeople

Dec 1, 9:04am

I didn't say don't allow him to audible. Buy in critical situations where you as the OC have more experience, at least

unctoothman

Dec 1, 9:52am

I don’t totally disagree but you have to factor in the games we may lose by not

puntersarepeople

Dec 1, 12:19pm

And if there have been any that we have lost because we were not able to audible, then I will concede that point.

unctoothman

Dec 1, 1:52pm

Are we still gnashing our teeth over a game weeks ago? Sheesh

BoiseBYU1

Dec 1, 10:19am

Well it's kind of a big deal if it's a mistake and you don't learn from it. And given that it's not the first time a

unctoothman

Dec 1, 10:29am

What about the time it did work?

chilawcoug

Dec 1, 10:39am

If the quarterback can't put it over the correct shoulder, you can't call the play. I love the confidence to make the

unctoothman

Dec 1, 1:58pm

At what point is the OC responsible for the offense’s performance?

HRCougar

Dec 1, 1:17am

Now....and that's why his job is safe

kosmokramer

Dec 1, 1:19am

It’s an honest question eyeroller

HRCougar

Dec 1, 1:19am

What exactly are the complaints?

Belboz

Dec 1, 1:23am

It’s pretty simple to me. The offense is not performing well enough.

HRCougar

Dec 1, 1:25am

Believe it or not, BYU won 10 games. They hardly failed

Belboz

Dec 1, 1:26am

Who said they failed?

HRCougar

Dec 1, 1:32am

With what BYU had, they went 10-2. I guess a better defense could have helped

Belboz

Dec 1, 1:38am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:28am

45th best offense is great if we are happy with being ranked overall around 45

HRCougar

Dec 1, 1:34am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:36am

Would you be happy right now if we were 6-6 and had lost 6 in a row?

HRCougar

Dec 1, 1:40am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:45am

I think BYU might even be ranked in the top 20 right now, but let's not spoil it

Belboz

Dec 1, 1:40am

Coaches put their players in a position to succeed or fail by what they call...

imdocrob

Dec 1, 6:58am

112th 3rd down conversion rate

djetal

Dec 1, 9:12am

BYU’s offense is well above average in most total offense rankings. Some on CB

NYC and Japan

Dec 1, 9:45am

No it’s not— bring your specific data w/ your assertions

Dec 1, 9:47am

From NCAA.com Total Offense - I don't think any are adjusted for difficulty

NYC and Japan

Dec 1, 3:04pm

There you go. All above average. Most are top 35, most difficulty adjusted are

NYC and Japan

Dec 1, 3:05pm

This might help

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 1, 3:54pm

I feel you're backtracking a bit because no one would suggest that 36 out of 68

Dec 3, 9:23am

ARod said he doesn't worry about 3rd down conversion

acougfan

Dec 1, 2:08pm

45th ranked offense and a 10 win team in a power conference... Our fans man.

Dec 1, 9:00am

I fully expect a blue blood to swoop in and poach ARod, he’s that good

RenoCoug

Dec 1, 1:18am

You have absolutely no idea if that’s true or if it is, why. Literally a made up

Socrates Johnson

Dec 1, 1:19am

Let’s find out

RenoCoug

Dec 1, 1:21am

You are not plainly no expert on football

Socrates Johnson

Dec 1, 1:22am

Your go to, only you know ball

RenoCoug

Dec 1, 1:25am

No I think there’s plenty of evidence that people who know ball think well of

Socrates Johnson

Dec 1, 1:28am

I thought utah didn't want him

acougfan

Dec 1, 1:30am

That was a long time ago. You think they wouldn’t change offenses with us now?

Socrates Johnson

Dec 1, 1:35am

Utah is hiring Wazzu’s OC, who is actually creative

RenoCoug

Dec 1, 1:36am

If he was regarded highly, he'd have interviewed from other jobs a la Jay Hill. He's safe at BYU, he's also a limitation

unctoothman

Dec 1, 8:02am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:23am

Made up? How can you make up an opinion of the future?

RenoCoug

Dec 1, 1:26am

You made up a story. About the future, yes, but it is a fiction.

Socrates Johnson

Dec 1, 1:29am

Opinion is not a story

RenoCoug

Dec 1, 1:38am

RE: Opinion is not a story

Socrates Johnson

Dec 1, 1:40am

RE: Opinion is not a story

RenoCoug

Dec 1, 1:56am

The guy who coached Wilson and Hall and two top 25 offenses couldn’t get a job?

puntersarepeople

Dec 1, 1:29am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:29am

I’m dying to see if my opinion is correct or not

RenoCoug

Dec 1, 1:32am

That’s just recklessness

Socrates Johnson

Dec 1, 1:34am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:36am

It’s a shrewder assumption than that he is some desired commodity

vegas guey

Dec 1, 1:24am

NOT TRUE!!!!! I am sure he could be a WR coach somewhere.

indocoug

Dec 1, 1:59am

You are right ... he is great!! The offense just kept getting better and better

acougfan

Dec 1, 1:18am

It surely improved from last season.

Belboz

Dec 1, 1:23am

Was it play calling or execution?

Dec 1, 1:23am

People didn't like Norm Chow either

Belboz

Dec 1, 1:27am

Crazy thing is coaches actually should coach to improve execution

acougfan

Dec 1, 1:27am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:30am

How about scoring? Especially in the red zone- huge drop off- the KU game

acougfan

Dec 1, 1:32am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:38am

And yet, coaches still aren't the ones out there making mistakes and dropping passes.

Dec 1, 9:01am

It was both. And both are his responsibility. But mostly playcalling. BYU will

indocoug

Dec 1, 2:13am

It's both, but he's responsible for who they recruit on offense

Dec 1, 12:00pm

The offense has sputtered two years in a row. We got 10 wins mainly on the

Dec 1, 1:20am

Some of that is true. But how many repeated mistakes this year?

gmj81

Dec 1, 1:21am

Believing A-Rod doesn't deserve any criticism is a dumb take.

Dec 1, 1:27am

It’s actually embarrassing considering the history of the BYU brand

vegas guey

Dec 1, 1:32am

We're the same fan base that hated Norm Chow

Belboz

Dec 1, 1:34am

Ding ding ding ding.

Socrates Johnson

Dec 1, 1:36am

We’re also the same fans who hated Tuiaki years before KS. Funk too

vegas guey

Dec 1, 1:54am

At least the defensive rankings backed that opinion up.

chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:56am

And you have a very creative memory, or are you just guessing?

Les IsMore

Dec 1, 9:23am

Yes and I think everyone should expect a higher standard for a BYU offensive

Dec 1, 1:35am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:46am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:51am

Arod fanboys furious that anyone dare wish for improved offense

vegas guey

Dec 1, 1:48am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:50am

This post shows a critical assumption that you’re making

puntersarepeople

Dec 1, 1:59am

The last time a BYU qb threw for 300+ yards? About 8 days ago

Greg Kite's 'stache

Dec 1, 10:03am

Versus D1 competition, that's the only time he threw for 300 yards this year

Dec 1, 12:04pm

Did he call 8 million jet sweeps on frozen fields where runner can't make the

imdocrob

Dec 1, 6:56am

I bet most of those that are critical of the game have never

BulldogCoug79

Dec 1, 8:11am

Then run more, especially when you are running really well.

ochobeeguy

Dec 1, 8:28am

ARod (like Retzlaff) is good not great. A solid 7.5/10. But if we want to win

JWin

Dec 1, 8:11am

This feels like the fans who defended Tuiaki.

wilsdad

Dec 1, 8:17am

...may have some valid points while perhaps exaggerating in other places

cajuncoug

Dec 1, 8:25am

So who’s responsible if the offense regresses and players start to underperform?

ProvoSpain

Dec 1, 8:37am

Too many short plays running the ball up the middle.

Love My Cougs

Dec 1, 9:13am

RE: To many short plays running the ball up the middle.

SJS

Dec 1, 9:22am

Good OCs only call long running plays.

russkiejedi

Dec 1, 9:44am

Playing for third down conversions is a failing offense

chirocoug

Dec 1, 9:21am

You want Grimes? lol COVID year aside (both for schedule and because ARod was

chilawcoug

Dec 1, 9:34am

RE: Playing for third down conversions is a failing offense

longtimeYfan

Dec 1, 10:21am

If BYU wasn't ranked 115th out of 134 teams in third down conversion percentage

chirocoug

Dec 3, 2:48pm

What if I like arod but he frustrates me sometimes.

davidmj10

Dec 1, 10:13am

Defense won this. We will go back to barely-bowl eligible without Jay.

AltTabbins

Dec 1, 11:00am

This is a 4-6 win team with the defense we thought we were going to have

Dec 1, 11:57am

Offense averages 31 points a game which ranks 45 in the country. I’ll take 31

Nagurski

Dec 1, 12:11pm

What does their offense rank when you take out defensive and special teams TDs?

HRCougar

Dec 1, 2:02pm

BYU had 4 kick/punt returns this year which is amazing and 1 interception return

Nagurski

Dec 1, 3:35pm

Also, you have to take into account the short fields that defensive TOs

Dec 1, 3:52pm

Then also factor in long drives and time of possession that helps the defense rest… 🙂

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 1, 5:40pm

Just stop. You are splitting hairs here trying to find any reason possible to

Nagurski

Dec 1, 9:18pm

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