ARod (like Retzlaff) is good not great. A solid 7.5/10. But if we want to win

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Dec 1, 2024
8:11:36am

JWin Starter

ARod (like Retzlaff) is good not great. A solid 7.5/10. But if we want to win

a Big 12 title it will be hard without an uptick in both play calling AND recruiting. If they don’t improve wither of those aspects we will be perpetually competitive but not winning conference titles. Unfortunately, I don’t think improvement is coming on either of those fronts.

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JWin

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Time

Anybody ripping on A Rod

Dec 1, 1:14am

Just insane when you have wide open guys dropping it all over the place and

Socrates Johnson

Dec 1, 1:16am

Sounds like they're coached super well and the offense is well coordinated.

foofcoug

Dec 1, 1:20am

This is true! The fans need to do better and be better

coot20

Dec 1, 11:22am

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Dec 1, 1:20am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:21am

I love when Arod lovers get ratioed non-stop… also, this comment is hilarious

Dec 1, 7:47am

Maybe Fesi needs to work with his position group more?

Dec 1, 8:54am

No but he did call a fade. No excuses for that. He knows Jake can’t do it, so why call it?!

cougarfanatic

Dec 1, 1:17am

Very little chance that was the first read for that play call.

JuicyJam

Dec 1, 1:18am

The option to throw the ball should not have even been in play. When that throw

indocoug

Dec 3, 12:20am

I don’t disagree with that!

Dec 1, 1:19am

So completely eliminate a route on every play? It wasnt supposed to go there

775coug

Dec 1, 1:25am

Standard play sheesh when are people going to get over that?

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 1, 1:31am

actually he probably knows Jake can do it, because he has done it

BYURider

Dec 1, 7:23am

Biggest issue was a fade to a TE.

ImuaKahuku

Dec 1, 7:58am

Jake called and threw the fade

I'mBatman

Dec 1, 8:18am

Then as OC you have to say "this is the play. DO NOT AUDIBLE OUT." They weren't stopping the run, we had 2 TO left. The

unctoothman

Dec 1, 8:32am

You don't micromanage a QB like that. You teach him the principles and let him go out there and play ball.

Dec 1, 8:57am

Yes, until he repeatedly does it. At the end of the day, it's your (OCs) job on the line if QB fails. Not his. It's okay

unctoothman

Dec 1, 9:49am

My job isn't on the line at 10-2.

Dec 1, 3:35pm

How does an offense have success if you can’t trust the QB to audible?

puntersarepeople

Dec 1, 9:04am

I didn't say don't allow him to audible. Buy in critical situations where you as the OC have more experience, at least

unctoothman

Dec 1, 9:52am

I don’t totally disagree but you have to factor in the games we may lose by not

puntersarepeople

Dec 1, 12:19pm

And if there have been any that we have lost because we were not able to audible, then I will concede that point.

unctoothman

Dec 1, 1:52pm

Are we still gnashing our teeth over a game weeks ago? Sheesh

BoiseBYU1

Dec 1, 10:19am

Well it's kind of a big deal if it's a mistake and you don't learn from it. And given that it's not the first time a

unctoothman

Dec 1, 10:29am

What about the time it did work?

chilawcoug

Dec 1, 10:39am

If the quarterback can't put it over the correct shoulder, you can't call the play. I love the confidence to make the

unctoothman

Dec 1, 1:58pm

At what point is the OC responsible for the offense’s performance?

HRCougar

Dec 1, 1:17am

Now....and that's why his job is safe

kosmokramer

Dec 1, 1:19am

It’s an honest question eyeroller

HRCougar

Dec 1, 1:19am

What exactly are the complaints?

Belboz

Dec 1, 1:23am

It’s pretty simple to me. The offense is not performing well enough.

HRCougar

Dec 1, 1:25am

Believe it or not, BYU won 10 games. They hardly failed

Belboz

Dec 1, 1:26am

Who said they failed?

HRCougar

Dec 1, 1:32am

With what BYU had, they went 10-2. I guess a better defense could have helped

Belboz

Dec 1, 1:38am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:28am

45th best offense is great if we are happy with being ranked overall around 45

HRCougar

Dec 1, 1:34am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:36am

Would you be happy right now if we were 6-6 and had lost 6 in a row?

HRCougar

Dec 1, 1:40am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:45am

I think BYU might even be ranked in the top 20 right now, but let's not spoil it

Belboz

Dec 1, 1:40am

Coaches put their players in a position to succeed or fail by what they call...

imdocrob

Dec 1, 6:58am

112th 3rd down conversion rate

djetal

Dec 1, 9:12am

BYU’s offense is well above average in most total offense rankings. Some on CB

NYC and Japan

Dec 1, 9:45am

No it’s not— bring your specific data w/ your assertions

Dec 1, 9:47am

From NCAA.com Total Offense - I don't think any are adjusted for difficulty

NYC and Japan

Dec 1, 3:04pm

There you go. All above average. Most are top 35, most difficulty adjusted are

NYC and Japan

Dec 1, 3:05pm

This might help

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 1, 3:54pm

I feel you're backtracking a bit because no one would suggest that 36 out of 68

Dec 3, 9:23am

ARod said he doesn't worry about 3rd down conversion

acougfan

Dec 1, 2:08pm

45th ranked offense and a 10 win team in a power conference... Our fans man.

Dec 1, 9:00am

I fully expect a blue blood to swoop in and poach ARod, he’s that good

RenoCoug

Dec 1, 1:18am

You have absolutely no idea if that’s true or if it is, why. Literally a made up

Socrates Johnson

Dec 1, 1:19am

Let’s find out

RenoCoug

Dec 1, 1:21am

You are not plainly no expert on football

Socrates Johnson

Dec 1, 1:22am

Your go to, only you know ball

RenoCoug

Dec 1, 1:25am

No I think there’s plenty of evidence that people who know ball think well of

Socrates Johnson

Dec 1, 1:28am

I thought utah didn't want him

acougfan

Dec 1, 1:30am

That was a long time ago. You think they wouldn’t change offenses with us now?

Socrates Johnson

Dec 1, 1:35am

Utah is hiring Wazzu’s OC, who is actually creative

RenoCoug

Dec 1, 1:36am

If he was regarded highly, he'd have interviewed from other jobs a la Jay Hill. He's safe at BYU, he's also a limitation

unctoothman

Dec 1, 8:02am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:23am

Made up? How can you make up an opinion of the future?

RenoCoug

Dec 1, 1:26am

You made up a story. About the future, yes, but it is a fiction.

Socrates Johnson

Dec 1, 1:29am

Opinion is not a story

RenoCoug

Dec 1, 1:38am

RE: Opinion is not a story

Socrates Johnson

Dec 1, 1:40am

RE: Opinion is not a story

RenoCoug

Dec 1, 1:56am

The guy who coached Wilson and Hall and two top 25 offenses couldn’t get a job?

puntersarepeople

Dec 1, 1:29am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:29am

I’m dying to see if my opinion is correct or not

RenoCoug

Dec 1, 1:32am

That’s just recklessness

Socrates Johnson

Dec 1, 1:34am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:36am

It’s a shrewder assumption than that he is some desired commodity

vegas guey

Dec 1, 1:24am

NOT TRUE!!!!! I am sure he could be a WR coach somewhere.

indocoug

Dec 1, 1:59am

You are right ... he is great!! The offense just kept getting better and better

acougfan

Dec 1, 1:18am

It surely improved from last season.

Belboz

Dec 1, 1:23am

Was it play calling or execution?

Dec 1, 1:23am

People didn't like Norm Chow either

Belboz

Dec 1, 1:27am

Crazy thing is coaches actually should coach to improve execution

acougfan

Dec 1, 1:27am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:30am

How about scoring? Especially in the red zone- huge drop off- the KU game

acougfan

Dec 1, 1:32am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:38am

And yet, coaches still aren't the ones out there making mistakes and dropping passes.

Dec 1, 9:01am

It was both. And both are his responsibility. But mostly playcalling. BYU will

indocoug

Dec 1, 2:13am

It's both, but he's responsible for who they recruit on offense

Dec 1, 12:00pm

The offense has sputtered two years in a row. We got 10 wins mainly on the

Dec 1, 1:20am

Some of that is true. But how many repeated mistakes this year?

gmj81

Dec 1, 1:21am

Believing A-Rod doesn't deserve any criticism is a dumb take.

Dec 1, 1:27am

It’s actually embarrassing considering the history of the BYU brand

vegas guey

Dec 1, 1:32am

We're the same fan base that hated Norm Chow

Belboz

Dec 1, 1:34am

Ding ding ding ding.

Socrates Johnson

Dec 1, 1:36am

We’re also the same fans who hated Tuiaki years before KS. Funk too

vegas guey

Dec 1, 1:54am

At least the defensive rankings backed that opinion up.

chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:56am

And you have a very creative memory, or are you just guessing?

Les IsMore

Dec 1, 9:23am

Yes and I think everyone should expect a higher standard for a BYU offensive

Dec 1, 1:35am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:46am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:51am

Arod fanboys furious that anyone dare wish for improved offense

vegas guey

Dec 1, 1:48am

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chilawcoug

Dec 1, 1:50am

This post shows a critical assumption that you’re making

puntersarepeople

Dec 1, 1:59am

The last time a BYU qb threw for 300+ yards? About 8 days ago

Greg Kite's 'stache

Dec 1, 10:03am

Versus D1 competition, that's the only time he threw for 300 yards this year

Dec 1, 12:04pm

Did he call 8 million jet sweeps on frozen fields where runner can't make the

imdocrob

Dec 1, 6:56am

I bet most of those that are critical of the game have never

BulldogCoug79

Dec 1, 8:11am

Then run more, especially when you are running really well.

ochobeeguy

Dec 1, 8:28am

ARod (like Retzlaff) is good not great. A solid 7.5/10. But if we want to win

JWin

Dec 1, 8:11am

This feels like the fans who defended Tuiaki.

wilsdad

Dec 1, 8:17am

...may have some valid points while perhaps exaggerating in other places

cajuncoug

Dec 1, 8:25am

So who’s responsible if the offense regresses and players start to underperform?

ProvoSpain

Dec 1, 8:37am

Too many short plays running the ball up the middle.

Love My Cougs

Dec 1, 9:13am

RE: To many short plays running the ball up the middle.

SJS

Dec 1, 9:22am

Good OCs only call long running plays.

russkiejedi

Dec 1, 9:44am

Playing for third down conversions is a failing offense

chirocoug

Dec 1, 9:21am

You want Grimes? lol COVID year aside (both for schedule and because ARod was

chilawcoug

Dec 1, 9:34am

RE: Playing for third down conversions is a failing offense

longtimeYfan

Dec 1, 10:21am

If BYU wasn't ranked 115th out of 134 teams in third down conversion percentage

chirocoug

Dec 3, 2:48pm

What if I like arod but he frustrates me sometimes.

davidmj10

Dec 1, 10:13am

Defense won this. We will go back to barely-bowl eligible without Jay.

AltTabbins

Dec 1, 11:00am

This is a 4-6 win team with the defense we thought we were going to have

Dec 1, 11:57am

Offense averages 31 points a game which ranks 45 in the country. I’ll take 31

Nagurski

Dec 1, 12:11pm

What does their offense rank when you take out defensive and special teams TDs?

HRCougar

Dec 1, 2:02pm

BYU had 4 kick/punt returns this year which is amazing and 1 interception return

Nagurski

Dec 1, 3:35pm

Also, you have to take into account the short fields that defensive TOs

Dec 1, 3:52pm

Then also factor in long drives and time of possession that helps the defense rest… 🙂

GoodBetterBestBYU

Dec 1, 5:40pm

Just stop. You are splitting hairs here trying to find any reason possible to

Nagurski

Dec 1, 9:18pm

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