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... is a fraud. If it did, then it is the most important and wonderful work under the heavens." - Gordon B Hinckley

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The First Vision

President Gordon B. Hinckley teaches about the First Vision

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/media/video/2010-07-0005-the-first-vision?lang=eng

I believe this Church and it's teaching to be divine and the greatest hope for this world as we fight the darkness which is trying to engulf it. As time goes on it will become more and more apparent to those "who have eyes to see."

To "Undefeated", I pray that your knee will heal quickly ... and thank you for your courage and compassion to not destroy the faith of your children as too many others have done.

Here is the talk by Gordon B Hinckley when he discusses his interview with Mike Wallace:

Churchofjesuschrist

The Marvelous Foundation of Our Faith

God be thanked for His marvelous bestowal of testimony, authority, and doctrine associated with this, the restored Church of Jesus Christ.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2002/10/the-marvelous-foundation-of-our-faith?lang=eng[https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2002/10/the-marvelous-foundation-of-our-faith]

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This is not just a Utah fan issue, it's a non-mormon living in Utah issue

Schultz is back

Sep 13, 9:52am

Definitely the case in my extended family

BYU '80

Sep 13, 9:53am

Overcompensating

Knee Brace

Sep 13, 9:57am

<< Deleted >>

ArcticKat

Sep 13, 2:33pm

💯…& by “not LDS” its the exmos that are the absolute worst. Trying to prove how

Das_Countach

Sep 13, 3:09pm

Facts, it’s a cult! I am exmo as well but it’s not my identity

NonmormonYfan89

Sep 13, 3:47pm

It’s bizarre that the game is called the holy war.

NYCougz

Sep 13, 9:58am

Sub-group = folks that have left the church but cant leave it alone.

YoungstownCoug

Sep 13, 9:59am

Plus LDS who are determined to show that they are not like those other Mormons

cougarmeister

Sep 13, 10:07am

Yep, weird. They should just move on and do their thing

Cougstreak

Sep 13, 10:18am

Should Martin Luther have left the Catholic Church alone? No. Former members are

Undefeated

Sep 13, 5:10pm

Hmmm. Most members that I know that have left the church are not acting like Martin Luther.

Cougstreak

Sep 13, 8:24pm

I don't know any nonbelievers who aren't seeking for truth. 0. And I think it's

Undefeated

Sep 13, 9:43pm

I think we are talking about two different things and you are looking to preach, we don't disagree.

Cougstreak

Sep 13, 10:31pm

this is hilarious and so hypocritical for an adherent of a church that believes

Czar-castic

Sep 13, 10:48pm

What are you talking about? I said I want to hear their thoughts.

Cougstreak

Sep 14, 6:47am

RE: What are you talking about? I said I want to hear their thoughts.

Czar-castic

Sep 14, 9:56am

RE: I think we are talking about two different things and you are looking to

Undefeated

Sep 13, 10:55pm

☝️ added to the end of my post.

Undefeated

Sep 13, 10:58pm

You are a million times nicer than I am when talking about it with

Czar-castic

Sep 13, 11:03pm

Hey thanks!

Undefeated

Sep 13, 11:23pm

I am great with a good discussion and those are reasonable.

Cougstreak

Sep 14, 6:49am

If you are truly great with a good discussion and think those reasonable

Undefeated

Sep 14, 11:35am

As someone who grew up on the east coast, I fully agree with his take on Utahns.

ldssdl

Sep 13, 10:09am

I lived on the east coast for decades and agree

Cougstreak

Sep 13, 8:24pm

Same has been expressed to me by a close friend who moved to SLC

Forbidden Fruit

Sep 13, 10:12am

When we moved back East, not a soul came to welcome us to the neighborhood.

refunder

Sep 13, 2:07pm

This is 100% true. Here is a story to prove that point.

carwasher3000

Sep 13, 10:17am

the over-compensation is truly embarrassing

JupiterJones

Sep 13, 10:51am

My job has me in a lot of those situations. I'm always bemused by the eagerness

seacougar

Sep 13, 12:44pm

I consider myself and my family in the middle living in Utah. We go to church

Magneto

Sep 13, 10:19am

I do the same but enjoy the Malibu chicken at sizzler. I also drink Pero

Forbidden Fruit

Sep 13, 10:22am

Boardname checks out.

CougGolf

Sep 13, 10:29am

Literally dying at “dabble in playing face cards” 😂

YoungstownCoug

Sep 13, 10:31am

I don't think I've ever heard "enjoy" and "sizzler" used together 🤔

OldFogey

Sep 13, 1:43pm

Pero is scorched barley. Lots of people

jlhazlewood

Sep 13, 2:34pm

With respect, that's not "in the middle." That's spending time with your family.

Mjolnir

Sep 13, 10:48am

I’m not underestimating anything. This is why BYU plays and practices on Sunday

Magneto

Sep 13, 11:04am

Maybe you're overestimating? Lol

OldFogey

Sep 13, 1:44pm

I'd condemn you publicly, but you said TX Roadhouse so that overrides it 😅

OldFogey

Sep 13, 1:45pm

You’re welcome to join us too. The church will always be there, your family wont

Magneto

Sep 13, 3:10pm

Interesting. I remember going to restaurants on Sundays as a kid and bumping

RoboKayne

Sep 13, 4:33pm

Oh the steak center?

Great38

Sep 13, 8:17pm

So where do the Secret Mormon Wives tiktokers fit on the spectrum?

Captain Stubing

Sep 13, 10:30am

Seeking fame by mocking others beliefs, granted I never seen the show.

germ1

Sep 13, 11:09am

That's pretty much how I see Utah too. I only lived there during my BYU years,

Japan Coug

Sep 13, 10:38am

Growing up as a non-member yewt, I can confirm this. Once I joined the Church,

Mjolnir

Sep 13, 10:52am

I grew up in Utah, but I’ve lived in other states for over 25 years.

HiLife

Sep 13, 11:15am

It's interesting, sometimes depressing to observe how a minority religion with a

StoneyCurtis

Sep 13, 11:16am

I've shared this story before

Carnac

Sep 13, 11:23am

We’re all at a different place in our faith journey and …

ByTheirFruits

Sep 13, 11:51am

Even the ALUF's like to pretend they're not members when hanging at at Yew

TrueBlue67

Sep 13, 12:14pm

Only lived in Utah for grad school. Nowhere else I've ever lived do people

CycloneCoug

Sep 13, 12:16pm

I have to disagree. The problem with your analysis is you can't see

Undefeated

Sep 13, 12:16pm

Sadly, I think you hit the nail on the head as to why people go to reddit. it is

TrueBlue67

Sep 13, 12:26pm

Actually, it depends on the subreddit of course. I'm

Undefeated

Sep 13, 12:51pm

Well said—I'm in a very similar position

reddead

Sep 13, 12:30pm

I think there are many like you. In LDS culture, it's hard for many unbelievers

Japan Coug

Sep 13, 12:34pm

Maybe should be in a different thread

Carnac

Sep 13, 12:41pm

There is so much to respond to here. If I was on my

Undefeated

Sep 13, 12:59pm

Which is fair and I expect there is a lot more to it

Carnac

Sep 13, 1:07pm

Wow, the church is way too demanding and requires too much sacrifice for me to

ray ray

Sep 13, 1:11pm

If you thought there was any chance that rocking the boat could upend your

Undefeated

Sep 13, 1:33pm

Devils advocate here

Carnac

Sep 13, 1:46pm

I really think I have a good explanation for all of that. And even though I've

Undefeated

Sep 13, 1:55pm

"It either occurred or it did not occur. If it did not, then this work ...

ByTheirFruits

Sep 13, 5:10pm

This is an excellent example of confirmation bias

reddead

Sep 13, 12:28pm

Yep. It's the Texas sharpshooter fallacy. Among other fallacies.

Undefeated

Sep 13, 12:35pm

Your statement/situation can be true, while the broader pattern is also true.

ray ray

Sep 13, 1:16pm

At the end of the day, it's a athletic rivalry, so I get it...

reddead

Sep 13, 2:02pm

I don’t think it’s hard to prove at all. If there is a statistically significant

ray ray

Sep 13, 4:12pm

There is more concentrated animosity for the Catholic Church in the Northeast US

Undefeated

Sep 13, 7:08pm

What you're suggesting isn't true. Non-lds without tattoos and long hair? Lies!

OldFogey

Sep 13, 1:48pm

Non-LDS without tattoos and long hair SO FAR 😉

reddead

Sep 13, 1:55pm

It's like when many say,

Undefeated

Sep 13, 2:53pm

logical solution is for more of you white collar church types to go to more bars

Czar-castic

Sep 13, 12:39pm

Why care? I know many people

BYUvermont

Sep 13, 1:20pm

I have a lot of non member friends in Utah and outside. I see no difference whatsoever between the bars.

AltTabbins

Sep 13, 1:44pm

probably has way more to do with the individual bar than anything else

Czar-castic

Sep 13, 1:50pm

Exactly.

AltTabbins

Sep 13, 2:01pm

We just went to a dinner meeting with random people. The couple next to us

refunder

Sep 13, 1:53pm

I'm 60. Lived here as an adult about 19 of those years.

OmahaOmaha

Sep 13, 2:17pm

Sorry. Response meant for Original Poster.

OmahaOmaha

Sep 13, 2:18pm

You just hit the nail on the head

Blue chunks

Sep 13, 3:01pm

Not sure it's a majority, but it is a big chunk. A big chunk are also faithful

311polo

Sep 13, 3:11pm

I’m the middle guy! lol but seriously as an exmo who still loves BYU and Mormons

NonmormonYfan89

Sep 13, 3:45pm

this is very similar to me, but a number of things are starting to bug me more

Czar-castic

Sep 13, 4:00pm

Can I ask what?

NonmormonYfan89

Sep 13, 4:08pm

Jefe/mods definitely reinforce some unflattering stereotypes

reddead

Sep 13, 4:21pm

Cougar Nation needs guys like you

cajuncoug

Sep 13, 6:31pm

Seems to me many of those who go extreme the other way are due to political

Undefeated

Sep 13, 6:52pm

there also appear to be members who go extreme, look at the fifty billion

Czar-castic

Sep 14, 3:30pm

Some take

Undefeated

Sep 14, 3:47pm

Thank you, I appreciate that! To me it’s the community I grew up in

NonmormonYfan89

Sep 13, 10:15pm

I too appreciate your style on this, I have a son you remind me of. he’s a

Blue chunks

Sep 13, 11:34pm

My whole thing is I just don’t believe anymore has anymore

NonmormonYfan89

Sep 14, 12:33am

Just for fun you should read a couple books by Dr Kenneth Ring. he’s a

Blue chunks

Sep 14, 7:52am

If you have 3 hours to spare

Undefeated

Sep 14, 1:15pm

I listened to the into, didn’t have time for the full thing, but I’m intrigued.

NonmormonYfan89

Sep 14, 2:49pm

RE: This is not just a Utah fan issue, it's a non-mormon living in Utah issue

luckyday

Sep 13, 4:27pm

seriously, the amount of exmo hate I read on this board is crazy and I can't

Czar-castic

Sep 13, 4:31pm

A friend who is not LDS but lived in Salt Lake City 20 years ago for work

Srg

Sep 13, 6:17pm

RE: This is not just a Utah fan issue, it's a non-mormon living in Utah issue

Undefeated

Sep 13, 6:18pm

Thank you for this post

PCYFAN

Sep 13, 9:46pm

The group the OP describes really bugs me mostly because they are so judgmental

Blue chunks

Sep 13, 11:52pm

Yup I do uber and lyft on the side sometimes to make some extra cash

CougMAGA

Sep 14, 12:41am

Except if I, or one of my in-laws, or one of my cousins, one of my nieces or

Undefeated

Sep 14, 11:45am

This x1000. Was just saying this exact thing to my friend.

Your Royal Blueness

Sep 14, 2:21am

I disagree with this for the most part.

mikecito

Sep 14, 11:39am

And less than 42% of that 42% is active.

Undefeated

Sep 14, 11:54am

Judging anyone by their looks is a very unchristian character trait, IMHO.

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