In my opinion the only thing separating KS from LaVell

Jul 18, 2024
2:38:24pm

theonick 3rd String

Is talent evaluation. LaVell seemed to have a sixth sense about who was a talented up and coming coach and KS doesn’t. Not were loath to let people go but it was rare occurrence for LaVell and KS seems to needs to regularly. . .

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I'm not one to be highly critical of KS as a coach, but the KSL article

EM_Puma

Jul 18, 11:33am

I just don't think Sitake is into details.

BlueFever

Jul 18, 11:37am

HCs cannot micromanage every aspect of a football team. They have to rely on their staff for their expertise too. Funk

ManicBlue

Jul 18, 11:47am

Who's decision was it to hire Funk? Kalani as HC should absolutely have a say if

CameronG

Jul 18, 11:49am

Tell me who Kalani had to choose from when he hired Funk. Then, tell me which of those candidates you would

ManicBlue

Jul 18, 12:02pm

This is the question CB consistently refuses to ask itself

Homo Erectus

Jul 18, 12:12pm

How is CB supposed to answer that question when they weren't in the room? But I

ldssdl

Jul 18, 12:17pm

So you're declining to answer the question. Whom else could he afford? "Up

Threw and Through

Jul 18, 12:48pm

Excuses for incompetence do not get things done or elevate a program.

ldssdl

Jul 18, 12:51pm

So you're saying that Funk was the absolute best OL coach we could afford?

tacallaway

Jul 18, 1:29pm

Prove that he wasn't. We'll wait.

ManicBlue

Jul 18, 2:18pm

I don't know otherwise, I'm honestly just curious if that is your assertion.

tacallaway

Jul 18, 2:27pm

My position is that just maybe he was the best option available at the time. You've never had to hire anyone I take it.

ManicBlue

Jul 18, 2:32pm

But weren't you just asking for people to name someone better?

tacallaway

Jul 18, 2:48pm

Did you give me any names?

ManicBlue

Jul 18, 3:18pm

"It's not like Kalani has unlimited time or resources to scour the country"

tacallaway

Jul 18, 3:28pm

My position is that I have NO IDEA and neither do YOU so quit acting like you do. I'm just more willing to

ManicBlue

Jul 18, 3:49pm

Family Search

44C

Jul 18, 8:26pm

And sometimes you hire what appeared to be a good, even great candidate and

NYC and Japan

Jul 19, 7:38am

Except no one thought that when he was hired except apparently you, and KS.

Alan Schaefer

Jul 19, 8:40am

Based on some of his hires maybe Kalani should spend more time in evaluating

CameronG

Jul 18, 2:48pm

Happens to every HC. Happened to LaVell and Bronco both. Happened to kwhitt too.

ManicBlue

Jul 18, 3:19pm

Demonstrably false.

Love Cougs

Jul 18, 3:22pm

Prove it.

ManicBlue

Jul 18, 3:24pm

Is incredible how many excuses Sitake has accumulated in 8 years. And how many

Alan Schaefer

Jul 18, 3:26pm

There's plenty of history that Kalani's isn't the best at recruiting.

greatbam

Jul 18, 6:00pm

This year wasn’t “as horrible” Bam. Clearly that means you’re wrong. And if you

Alan Schaefer

Jul 19, 4:46am

Eee gads dude. Get a grip.

Alan Schaefer

Jul 18, 3:23pm

"Eee gads"? What are you 90 yrs old? Feel free to contribute something ... anything relevant.

ManicBlue

Jul 18, 3:26pm

Golly Gee! See here young whipper snapper!

Alan Schaefer

Jul 18, 4:17pm

Prove that he was. We could afford Grimes and other better OL coaches in the...

Les IsMore

Jul 18, 9:30pm

Prove to me that he was, we will wait.

Blue for Life

Jul 19, 7:46am

Pugh got a promotion, Grimes kinda did as well and Mateos went with Grimes

CameronG

Jul 18, 2:46pm

Who applied? Got a list?

ManicBlue

Jul 18, 3:27pm

No one needs to give you a list. Quit demanding things. The Oline was crap. It

GfB

Jul 18, 3:31pm

and Funk got fired. What more do you want? Burn him at the stake? Some are suggesting Kalani should have hired someone

ManicBlue

Jul 18, 3:48pm

What most are suggesting is another piece to a puzzle of an average at best HC.

GfB

Jul 18, 7:27pm

Check the user name…

NYC and Japan

Jul 19, 7:41am

There probably are but when you just look at Funk's work history and the guys he's coached that went on to

ManicBlue

Jul 18, 2:14pm

I have no idea who was available at the time.

BlueFever

Jul 18, 12:44pm

Maybe but basketball is a whole lot easier to do that than football is.

ManicBlue

Jul 18, 2:15pm

Funk's resume signaled he was a bad hire. CB geniuses told me how clueless I

Forzaitalia

Jul 18, 1:43pm

RE: Funk's resume signaled he was a bad hire. CB geniuses told me how clueless I

ManicBlue

Jul 18, 2:17pm

Maybe it's a bit nitpicky but he really hasn't been promoted to OC at any point

CameronG

Jul 18, 2:53pm

Did you skip over the list of players he's coached? Look I'm not defending Funk at all. Sure in retrospect there are

ManicBlue

Jul 18, 3:24pm

I don't blame them as much for hiring him because not all hires work out but I

CameronG

Jul 18, 3:37pm

kwhitt didn't always move on after just one year. Also, having a unit no perform up to expectations could be due to

ManicBlue

Jul 18, 3:52pm

Bingo. Nothing special journeyman from the outset. Plateaued years earlier.

Forzaitalia

Jul 18, 4:21pm

You and that Fiero guy might be the biggest KS shills on the planet.

Alan Schaefer

Jul 18, 3:22pm

Who? That's Kalani's responsibility. Not cougarboard. The buck

gopman

Jul 18, 7:31pm

So there was no one to choose except Funk.

rmarkerm

Jul 18, 7:49pm

You clearly missed this post. This will make you feel better.

Alan Schaefer

Jul 18, 3:25pm

Kalani wasn't given the budget to hire anyone good. Funk took a paycut to come

Zombre

Jul 18, 3:49pm

BYU is a cheap football program and it gets what it pays for then plain and

CameronG

Jul 18, 4:13pm

I’d like to know exactly how much Sitake is paid. And how is ranks in all P5.

Alan Schaefer

Jul 18, 4:18pm

You scour the FCS/G5 ranks for an ambitious-driven young coach instead

gopman

Jul 18, 7:45pm

What pay cut? Funk was unemployed the year prior to BYU hiring him.

Les IsMore

Jul 18, 9:37pm

If it doesn't fall on Sitake, would you say it falls on ARod?

tacallaway

Jul 18, 12:08pm

Arod is first and foremost as he is the direct superior to funk. But when the

Powerbait DPM

Jul 18, 2:12pm

They wait until the wheels come completely off before making a change.

CameronG

Jul 18, 2:56pm

Seems like they wait for the wheels to come off and for the end of the season to

Powerbait DPM

Jul 18, 3:06pm

It's the head coach's job to vet the candidates.

BlueFever

Jul 18, 12:11pm

It was clear Funk was a journeyman at the end of his career to anybody paying

Forzaitalia

Jul 18, 1:46pm

But did they ever wonder if he'd suck that bad?

BlueFever

Jul 18, 3:08pm

It's not micromanaging for the leader in charge to ensure high job performance

ldssdl

Jul 18, 12:16pm

Ensuring your coaches are capable is not micromanaging. Sheesh.

LateToTheGame

Jul 18, 2:30pm

Funk has never been an overwhelming success. He's jumped around his whole career and not to great teams

BYU Grounds

Jul 18, 3:27pm

Sitake Defenders Alliance:

Alan Schaefer

Jul 18, 3:28pm

Interesting that Kalani is not into details, whereas his idol, LaVell Edwards,

84 natlchamps

Jul 18, 12:51pm

In my opinion the only thing separating KS from LaVell

theonick

Jul 18, 2:38pm

I wonder if Lavell knew the Timeout rules by his 8th season…

Alan Schaefer

Jul 18, 4:19pm

The puzzling thing is that the Oline did well the previous year and I think was

byusage

Jul 18, 11:38am

incorrect conclusion. Those lineman that did well were taught by Grimes. Funk

claw

Jul 18, 11:42am

Nope, the pre-Funk linemen were taught by Matteos.

Threw and Through

Jul 18, 12:55pm

That’s because Kalani has had sufficient time to watch the video from the season before

Blue2thebone

Jul 18, 2:43pm

Kalani's been oblivious since his hire in 2016. He's a "figurehead" &

gopman

Jul 18, 11:39am

In 2021 PFF run blocking was #9. In 2022 #12. Then it fell off a cliff.

molodyets

Jul 18, 11:39am

I don't understand why this is so hard for some fans to understand.

Rise Against

Jul 18, 11:49am

RE: I'm not one to be highly critical of KS as a coach, but the KSL article

claw

Jul 18, 11:41am

Bronco (and many other coaches) did the same thing with Weber as our OL coach. Have you never been in an organization

ManicBlue

Jul 18, 11:43am

just a lazy lazy hire.

claw

Jul 18, 11:45am

I'm not behind the firing of KS at all. I like him, but his delay on getting

EM_Puma

Jul 18, 11:48am

What delay was there? He was fired after one bad season.

molodyets

Jul 18, 12:08pm

ARod should be all over that before KS. And then KS should be all over it too.

Cougforgood

Jul 18, 11:46am

Good point.

EM_Puma

Jul 18, 11:49am

Yep. People act like the HC is a CEO in an office on the other side of the world

DirtyWater

Jul 18, 11:52am

He probably understood full well what was going wrong. It's just very difficult to make big changes mid-season. Kalani

CalGTR

Jul 18, 11:54am

It isn’t hard. Just a few phone calls. Same as in the offseason.

DirtyWater

Jul 18, 12:00pm

No, position coaches do not get fired mid season. Coordinators and HC do.

molodyets

Jul 18, 12:09pm

Okay. Then reassign him.

DirtyWater

Jul 18, 12:13pm

"Hey Funk, you're no longer coaching the o-line. We're now going to have you

Rise Against

Jul 18, 12:49pm

You’re right. CFB position coaches are the one job that can’t be moved or else

DirtyWater

Jul 18, 10:46pm

I would love to know how much Woods is getting paid compared

BYURider

Jul 18, 12:04pm

Over and over and over...KS is not the guy. How many times does it take?

LateToTheGame

Jul 18, 2:31pm

Add this to The long list of things that evidence suggests our head coach is unaware of

Blue2thebone

Jul 18, 2:39pm

The list is long and distinguished

44C

Jul 18, 7:49pm

He knew, but didn't want to fire him until the end of the season

tamasiaina

Jul 18, 4:05pm

Precisely

I'mBatman

Jul 18, 7:13pm

Wow. This thread took on a life of its own

TNT

Jul 18, 4:37pm

RE: Wow. This thread took on a life of its own

44C

Jul 18, 8:23pm

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