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Nov 30, 2023
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university & college — is (was) an immoral venture?

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SinkingQuffa

Previous username: 5thNephi
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The Coastal Carolina NIL collective is shutting down... I'm going to guess this is just the start..

TheLost Parody account

11/30/23 9:07am

I think people will get tired of self funding arthritic department player

A Drew Aitch

11/30/23 9:10am

RE: I think people will get tired of self funding arthritic department player

CharlottesvilleCoug

11/30/23 9:35am

At this point that might be for the best. Dont think voters would be happy if

Longseason

11/30/23 9:36am

Arthritic is a good description of the whole NIL fiasco.

Mitty

11/30/23 9:43am

Schools probably funnel money to the collectives via some back door already

ColonelMustard

11/30/23 12:52pm

Guaranteed. Imagine an SEC school building a $100 million facility, getting bids

dYrtbYkerYder

11/30/23 1:04pm

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flyonawall

11/30/23 1:06pm

RE: The Coastal Carolina NIL collective is shutting down... I'm going to guess this is just the start..

letthewookieewin

11/30/23 9:11am

What do you mean? Collectives are just getting started. Why do you think a small school's data has anything to do with

HarlemCoug

11/30/23 9:12am

We should embrace and assist in the demise of all NIL related organizations and activities

2FarGone

11/30/23 9:15am

College football has been ruined for decades because Alabama boosters, Ohio St boosters, MI boosters etc pay their

HarlemCoug

11/30/23 9:22am

I’m not convinced our ownership will ever allow BYU to compete in that way to

Bluforever

11/30/23 9:27am

Our ownership has zero control over NIL. They can't stop us from paying the players.

HarlemCoug

11/30/23 9:50am

Oh yes they can.

Bluforever

11/30/23 9:58am

How?

HarlemCoug

11/30/23 10:03am

they can stop players from getting money from beer company or gambling company.

cwilke1

11/30/23 10:04am

Who’s the we? I’m not going to start giving money to players are you?

EMAC

11/30/23 9:29am

Of course I have and I'll continue to do so. Why wouldn't I?

HarlemCoug

11/30/23 9:51am

There are ~130 FBS teams.. only a small % can support a true collective for NIL.

TheLost

11/30/23 9:22am

That small % are the power brokers and decision makers of college sports and are happy to see other competitors drop out

Cougs1

11/30/23 2:41pm

The racket has just begun, agreed

CorndogStickshift

11/30/23 11:37am

Why would you donate so a 20 year old can make more than you and drive a nicer

Utefaninenemyland

11/30/23 9:17am

1. They are shortening their lives playing a violent game for our enjoyment. 2.

ALUF 1990

11/30/23 9:24am

I played football and every other sport for my own enjoyment not anyone else’s.

Utefaninenemyland

11/30/23 9:39am

I rarely agree with Utah fans but you nailed everything in both of your comments

CameronG

11/30/23 9:46am

You sir, think like a true blue cougar. I think you should reconsider your

Bovine University

11/30/23 10:22am

When you put it that way, we shouldn't be supporting it at all.

Great38

11/30/23 9:47am

Super gross comment. But insightful to how yewts might think.

Mjolnir

11/30/23 1:22pm

If they don’t enjoy, surely they should do something else. Everything is a con

CorndogStickshift

11/30/23 11:47am

This yewt speaks wisdom

Mitty

11/30/23 9:44am

Well said! Who wrote that for you?

thirdgencoug

11/30/23 11:04am

Because every other school is doing it, and if you don’t, you will fall behind.

LeGrandBleu

11/30/23 11:10am

You would donate an amount you can afford because you want more wins. And you realize that if everyone else had $100

HarlemCoug

11/30/23 11:17am

I make $15/hr so no donating from me. As much as I love sports, the idea that

BaseCoug

11/30/23 11:39am

"with no return" isn't accurate. Sure there is no cash back but no one thinks there should be. If you had millions to

HarlemCoug

11/30/23 12:36pm

Agree... your "return" is your satisfaction level in the teams results

Das_Countach

11/30/23 1:07pm

Exactly. We need to get more $$$ into the collective. They are doing amazing things. They have millions

HarlemCoug

11/30/23 1:20pm

They are counting on the people who just funded a $76M buyout on a coach

stansburycoug

11/30/23 12:55pm

Because when you buy a ticket to Arsenal, or the Angels, or Ducks they are…

BYU'01

11/30/23 3:02pm

If Universities can make millions of dollars, the kids should get a cut.

rtNelson

12/1/23 1:19am

Collective/NIL feel very different than Cougar Club, etc., to me.

Madam Pattirini

11/30/23 9:18am

Collectives should come with strings attached. Like you can get a player to show

ryebrye

11/30/23 9:29am

Wasn't the idea that players could promote goods and businesses?

Madam Pattirini

11/30/23 9:38am

Agree with this. Without BYU (or any university) their name, image, and likeness

Lcoug

11/30/23 10:59am

Exactly, let's see how valuable they are playing in the XFL or USFL

CameronG

11/30/23 11:04am

The biggest part of the whole NIL thing everyone loves to forget.

Mitty

11/30/23 5:31pm

The lack of loyalty from the players is not what college fans are used to.

SinkingQuffa

11/30/23 9:20am

^ The portal will destroy the idea of Player Alumni and any tradition/history.

TheLost

11/30/23 9:25am

Good point. Be interesting — & probably sad — what it survives as in 25 years.

SinkingQuffa

11/30/23 9:26am

I think many are done with school as soon as the season is over. Not all but

Bluforever

11/30/23 9:29am

like the supreme court decision said, people being accustomed to a certain way

cwilke1

11/30/23 9:45am

So by not not paying into NIL we are trying to "stop it" and thus are immoral?

MrSandman

11/30/23 10:09am

sorry about your reading struggles. that's not what my post said. if someone

cwilke1

11/30/23 10:19am

maybe not said, but definitely insinuated. Nice try though

MrSandman

11/30/23 10:23am

I have no problem with NIL, I have a problem with pay for play

CameronG

11/30/23 10:59am

Yup, and the way NIL is set up and unregulated... it's just pay for play

Mitty

11/30/23 5:32pm

The old system was "immoral"? Compared to what? The NBA????

SinkingQuffa

11/30/23 10:20am

what industry do you work in? immoral compared to your industry which I'm

cwilke1

11/30/23 10:36am

The payroll & driving forces behind college athletics are very complicated.

SinkingQuffa

11/30/23 10:43am

have you read the Kavanaugh concurrence in the Alston decision? It was

cwilke1

11/30/23 10:48am

So the idea of competitive, amateur competition as an auxiliary part of American

SinkingQuffa

11/30/23 11:02am

you can go back 100 years and there are articles about under the table payments

cwilke1

11/30/23 11:35am

No system's perfect.

SinkingQuffa

11/30/23 11:59am

This all sounds like…

flyonawall

11/30/23 1:07pm

I have no problem with NIL as it was rightfully intended, but without regulation

Buster Scruggs

11/30/23 11:10am

Baloney. Nothing immoral or illegal about amateur sports.

Les IsMore

11/30/23 12:22pm

sounds like you got your cases mixed up. maybe you're talking about the Obannon

cwilke1

11/30/23 12:37pm

Not mixed up at all.

Les IsMore

11/30/23 3:14pm

the true farce is the million dollar salaries that the coaches and conference

cwilke1

11/30/23 3:26pm

Immoral? Perhaps we all need a refresher on what that word means.

LifeLongLakerFan

11/30/23 5:51pm

I’d be ok with that school burning to the ground so 🤷‍♂️

RevolutionDeathsquad

11/30/23 9:22am

The NIL is a terrible ROI proposition. For a small minority of programs, they may not care, but the current prices for

Indy Coug

11/30/23 9:24am

Small programs will have similar issues.

Everyman

11/30/23 9:33am

"Blue-Blood collectives will not have any difficulty."

lilpenny

11/30/23 10:34am

This is good news. All of them should shut down.

Mitty

11/30/23 9:42am

Businesses will just have to reach out to players (or their agents) if they want

Great38

11/30/23 9:50am

CFB needs a middle division between FCS and FBS.

dYrtbYkerYder

11/30/23 10:54am

NIL isn’t going away - adapt or die

CallingDingo

11/30/23 11:02am

It will settle in at much lower than gold rush rates we’ve seen. There just isn’t the market for this many professional

carmelcougar

11/30/23 12:24pm

Eventually an efficient market will develop

CallingDingo

11/30/23 1:21pm

Teams paying players is not NIL

TSTTKB

11/30/23 4:24pm

My guess: They couldn't find enough players to hit QBs when they were down.

DazeofBlue

11/30/23 11:46am

Do I want my money to go to the school or to the player. I'm fine splitting...

Big-Q

11/30/23 11:51am

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