RE: "If I can get away with cheating, that's not on me, that's on you."

May 29, 2019
11:59:29am

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I just reviewed a resume that listed two universities attended, as follows:

garyfan

5/29/19 10:41am

Dishonest

byuwahoo

5/29/19 10:42am

How do they list UC Irvine or UTEP on a resume?

TaiJuan

5/29/19 10:43am

Yep. Seems dishonest. But also, this was sort of the point of the name

Jay Rick

5/29/19 10:44am

You should still list the actual name of the university you went to, rather than

garyfan

5/29/19 10:45am

uh, that is exactly what they did. they went to brigham young university in

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:46am

Are you aware of the name of the university located in Rexburg?

garyfan

5/29/19 10:47am

yes.

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:48am

What do you believe it to be?

garyfan

5/29/19 10:49am

it's not about what i believe it to be, it's about what it is.

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:50am

Right, and Rexburg is nowhere in the name.

garyfan

5/29/19 10:52am

garyfan, based on that resume, do you know exactly where he went to school?

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:53am

Do I? Yes, because I'm a BYU alum. Would others in my field who aren't as

garyfan

5/29/19 10:55am

Sounds like he is smart do write it this way then.

fulano

5/29/19 10:56am

if he's trying to be deceptive or "dishonest" he seriously sucks at it. like,

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:56am

Not really. But even if he does suck at it, it’s relevant info for a recruiter

chilango

5/29/19 11:12am

100%. It’s name is not BYU. It’s name is BYU-Idaho.

Jay Rick

5/29/19 10:47am

What is the name of the Church-owned university located in Rexburg?

garyfan

5/29/19 10:49am

RE: What is the name of the Church-owned university located in Rexburg?

The Dude Abides

5/29/19 10:55am

RE: What is the name of the Church-owned university located in Rexburg?

Faceman

5/29/19 11:06am

It is Brigham Young University-Idaho. so he used a comma instead of a dash.

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:49am

Um, he left out a whole word. “Idaho” is part of the name.

Joe Banks

5/29/19 10:51am

yes, and he said he went to the one in idaho. again, if he were trying to

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:52am

He's trying to create plausible deniability.

garyfan

5/29/19 10:54am

He didn’t go to “the one in Idaho.” There isn’t “one” in Utah and one in

Jay Rick

5/29/19 10:54am

yes, all with the name Brigham Young University. bottom line is, based

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:58am

We know, because we’re familiar with these schools. No one else knows.

Jay Rick

5/29/19 10:59am

if they aren't familiar, that is their problem - not his.

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 11:00am

Uh, actually, he’s the one writing the resume. And he’s using the fact that

Jay Rick

5/29/19 11:02am

So after attending University A and listing the exact name of University B on

garyfan

5/29/19 11:04am

"If I can get away with cheating, that's not on me, that's on you."

ArchbishopMitty

5/29/19 11:51am

Sounds like a line from “Animal House.”

chilango

5/29/19 11:55am

RE: "If I can get away with cheating, that's not on me, that's on you."

The Dark Knight

5/29/19 11:59am

Yes. A point he doesn't want to concede.

garyfan

5/29/19 11:00am

Nope, most people east of the Rockies won't know the difference

The Dark Knight

5/29/19 11:55am

Nice try. If he simply used incorrect punctuation, he would have instead been

garyfan

5/29/19 10:51am

no, he didn't just use a comma

Littlerich

5/29/19 10:51am

I hate these posts.

TailgateU

5/29/19 5:46pm

RE: I hate these posts.

TCuz

5/29/19 7:11pm

I'm fine with people going to BYU-Idaho. But BYU-I people need to stop lying.

TheWanderer

5/29/19 8:42pm

That's why I always do Brigham Young University-Idaho, Rexburg, Idaho.

TN_Coug

5/29/19 10:44am

what is the misleading part?

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:45am

BYU and BYU-I are separate universities

Littlerich

5/29/19 10:49am

yeah, and he clarified that on his resume.

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:51am

no, he didn't

Littlerich

5/29/19 10:52am

No, he named the university "Brigham Young University", not "Brigham Young University - Idaho"

Ragnar Danneskjold

5/29/19 10:55am

ragnar, based on that resume, where would you say he went to school?

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:58am

Hey, let's ask more BYU alums the same stupid question, continually ignoring

garyfan

5/29/19 11:05am

if i name any given university, about the same size/prestige as BYU, could you

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 11:09am

But do people know that the campus in Rexburg is actually a different university

garyfan

5/29/19 11:12am

i understand your point, i don't see it as a big deal. the reader knows

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 11:15am

*THIS* reader knows where he went to school. Many readers will not.

garyfan

5/29/19 11:17am

everybody who is hiring college graduates knows BYU is in Utah.

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 11:19am

It's almost like you're ignoring the points I'm making.

garyfan

5/29/19 11:23am

This is false.

chilango

5/29/19 11:55am

Apples to oranges. If Clemson had a less well known and less well regarded

OlanchoCoug

5/29/19 12:09pm

If I didn't know where BYU was located, 100% BYU.

Ragnar Danneskjold

5/29/19 12:32pm

If I saw that on a potential resident or fellow CV/resume I assume they were

Littlerich

5/29/19 11:00am

He didn't clarify it. He wrote the wrong name.

byuwahoo

5/29/19 11:29am

Yes. Intent to deceive.

FootBackwards

5/29/19 10:45am

Somewhere, Max Hall just shivered

RSL

5/29/19 10:49am

One of the partners at a law firm I used to work at

CommodoreCoug

5/29/19 10:45am

Looks OK to me. Why quibble over a comma versus a dash?

ColoSpgs

5/29/19 10:46am

He made the same typo on his resume, and I honored it in the OP.

garyfan

5/29/19 10:46am

Sounds like someone to bring in for an interview and ask about it

WorfoSAUR

5/29/19 10:47am

Or ding him, and give him a call to tell him exactly why

Greg Kite's 'stache

5/29/19 10:54am

I would email them back with a rejection - specifically pointing out that he is dishonest.

Ragnar Danneskjold

5/29/19 10:54am

lol

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:55am

I think that is the only appropriate action here.

BGRTHNUMEGO

5/29/19 11:00am

If someone wrote “Loyola University, Baltimore, MD” would you

Odysseus

5/29/19 10:57am

Honestly, I don’t know anything about any of those schools, and I assume

Jay Rick

5/29/19 11:01am

Huh? If you know BYU-Idaho is less prestigious than The BYU then it will

Odysseus

5/29/19 11:05am

Maybe I wasn’t clear. I’ll try again.

Jay Rick

5/29/19 11:10am

I’m trying to imagine a scenario where a university is prestigious but I don’t

Odysseus

5/29/19 11:21am

I think in some parts of the country, the west is a blur. But more importantly,

Jay Rick

5/29/19 11:45am

That’s not an apples-to-apples comparison because there is no university named

garyfan

5/29/19 12:00pm

Ok. Would "University of Texas, El Paso, TX" be deceptive? To me it's obvious

Odysseus

5/29/19 12:06pm

That’s identical to the UC example. There is no “University of Texas.”

garyfan

5/29/19 12:10pm

You didn't answer the question. Is it deceptive? There is no "BYU" either so is

Odysseus

5/29/19 12:21pm

Yes, it’s misleading to someone not as familiar with BYU and BYU-I as we are.

garyfan

5/29/19 12:25pm

<< Deleted >>

chilango

5/29/19 12:25pm

What? There is a BYU, there is not a BYU-Provo

Littlerich

5/29/19 12:35pm

None of the examples listed were technically correct. But we know what was meant

Odysseus

5/29/19 12:36pm

a resume should be factually correct. Brigham Young University, Rexburg, ID

Littlerich

5/29/19 12:39pm

Officially, no BYU. But if someone says BYU I know what they mean

Odysseus

5/29/19 12:45pm

There is an official BYU. It is located in Provo, Utah. The official name of the

Littlerich

5/29/19 12:48pm

It's a technicality - that's the point. Not sure how you guys keep missing that

Odysseus

5/29/19 12:55pm

So it's just a technicality that they have different admissions criteria,

garyfan

5/29/19 12:57pm

It isn't a technicality, it is a fact

Littlerich

5/29/19 1:04pm

I have nothing against BYU-I, but it isn't BYU, and CVs/resumes should be

Littlerich

5/29/19 1:05pm

Why do you keep saying there’s no BYU? That’s false.

garyfan

5/29/19 12:49pm

You said “there is no BYU either,” but there is.

Jay Rick

5/29/19 12:53pm

You’re right, of course, but if it were hyphenated, wouldn’t it be “BYU-Utah”

chilango

5/29/19 12:42pm

Sure, and it would make no meaningful difference either way

Odysseus

5/29/19 12:58pm

Yes, it is deceptive. No, not everyone would know the difference.

The Dark Knight

5/29/19 12:40pm

Most corporate recruiters have heard of BYU, while few outside the Rockies have

chilango

5/29/19 11:16am

you really think they don't know the state BYU is located?

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 11:18am

Yes, I know so. I live in the East, and while most recruiters know of BYU and

chilango

5/29/19 11:25am

I live in CA but am originally from Idaho. Even in CA many seemingly intelligent

TayPower

5/30/19 9:51am

Same thing happened to me last fall, I thought it was purposely misleading and

chilango

5/29/19 10:57am

Lol. Until you ‘figured it out’. Haa....

kotacoug

5/29/19 11:13am

In this case, he didn’t bother to list the city or state. I didn’t figure it out

chilango

5/29/19 11:20am

Just curious, what kinds of questions did you ask him about Provo?

thundernuggets

5/30/19 11:32pm

I started with football, since BYU had just defeated Wisconsin, and we were in

chilango

5/31/19 5:53am

And your last sentence is why people do it

jkccoug

5/31/19 5:35am

Makes me glad I didn't go to BYU, so I don't have to care about this.

PharmCoug

5/29/19 10:59am

The real way to handle this is bring in for an interview ask about all his

mudpupper

5/29/19 11:00am

he'd say, what are you talking about - it says on my resume i went to school in

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 11:04am

I agree that that would be his response.

garyfan

5/29/19 11:06am

Yep. The hope is that he’ll get the benefit of the unknowing reader thinking he

Jay Rick

5/29/19 11:12am

if the reader is dumb enough to be unaware that byu is in utah, they really

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 11:17am

RE: if the reader is dumb enough to be unaware that byu is in utah, they really

garyfan

5/29/19 11:18am

And if the employer is in Kentucky?

The Dark Knight

5/29/19 11:26am

Do you think most here know exactly where Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, or even

chilango

5/29/19 11:36am

I don't know where any of those are.

The Dark Knight

5/29/19 11:46am

"If you can't catch my deception, then you are dumb and I am justified."

ArchbishopMitty

5/29/19 11:55am

BACHELOR'S: Stanford for Mormons, Provo, UT

BYUnerd

5/29/19 11:01am

I'm ok with it.

WDaddy

5/29/19 11:08am

Time to change the name of the Idaho school back. Dumb.

TCuz

5/29/19 11:13am

I don't see how this is dishonest.

jackcrack7

5/29/19 11:14am

Why didn’t he list the full name of the school then?

cougarnerd

5/29/19 11:19am

He did. He just included an extra word. He didn't hide Idaho.

jackcrack7

5/29/19 2:54pm

Some holier than thou BYU grads apparently think it’s a HUGE deal. Chilago

kotacoug

5/29/19 11:19am

also someone willing to inflate his/her credentials. this is a bigger deal than

demon_llama

5/29/19 11:22am

It would be a big deal in my profession

Littlerich

5/29/19 11:53am

He got the name wrong. Not dishonest if he's just dumb I guess.

Grit for Brains

5/29/19 11:21am

Not everyone around the country knows about BYU-Idaho

The Dark Knight

5/29/19 11:29am

BYU and BYU-I are different schools. They have different names. BYU without the

russkiejedi

5/29/19 11:47am

You should hire him and then fire him

cougarnerd

5/29/19 11:23am

Honestly I think BYU-I, or whatever professional writing guide is followed,

demon_llama

5/29/19 11:24am

Did you ask in the interview to clarify the school name

Heinz57

5/29/19 11:25am

BYU-I's own resume writing page has examples that show how the school

demon_llama

5/29/19 11:29am

I don't have a problem with it.

SoCalCoug

5/29/19 11:32am

At the very least, it's someone who doesn't pay attention to details.

ArchbishopMitty

5/29/19 11:57am

Change it to Joseph Smith University

Thrill

5/29/19 12:01pm

Orson Pratt would like to have a word with you.

chilango

5/29/19 12:05pm

Name BYU-Hawaii after him.

Thrill

5/29/19 12:11pm

Would be the best university acronym ever.

chilango

5/29/19 12:27pm

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VballDad

5/29/19 6:59pm

When you apply online the database only gives you 1BYU 2BYU Idaho 3 BYU Hawaii.

VballDad

5/29/19 7:02pm

So is this acceptable? BACHELOR'S: University of California; Davis, CA

BYUinTX

5/30/19 10:31am

It's less misleading because there is no university by that name.

garyfan

5/30/19 10:54am

Are you sure?

Squeegee

5/30/19 11:44am

Yes, you just confirmed it.

garyfan

5/30/19 11:47am

Not quite.

thundernuggets

5/30/19 11:36pm

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