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smokymountainrain
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yeah, and he clarified that on his resume.
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I just reviewed a resume that listed two universities attended, as follows:
garyfan
5/29/19 10:41am
Dishonest
byuwahoo
5/29/19 10:42am
How do they list UC Irvine or UTEP on a resume?
TaiJuan
5/29/19 10:43am
Yep. Seems dishonest. But also, this was sort of the point of the name
Jay Rick
5/29/19 10:44am
You should still list the actual name of the university you went to, rather than
garyfan
5/29/19 10:45am
uh, that is exactly what they did. they went to brigham young university in
smokymountainrain
5/29/19 10:46am
Are you aware of the name of the university located in Rexburg?
garyfan
5/29/19 10:47am
yes.
smokymountainrain
5/29/19 10:48am
What do you believe it to be?
garyfan
5/29/19 10:49am
it's not about what i believe it to be, it's about what it is.
smokymountainrain
5/29/19 10:50am
Right, and Rexburg is nowhere in the name.
garyfan
5/29/19 10:52am
garyfan, based on that resume, do you know exactly where he went to school?
smokymountainrain
5/29/19 10:53am
Do I? Yes, because I'm a BYU alum. Would others in my field who aren't as
garyfan
5/29/19 10:55am
Sounds like he is smart do write it this way then.
fulano
5/29/19 10:56am
if he's trying to be deceptive or "dishonest" he seriously sucks at it. like,
smokymountainrain
5/29/19 10:56am
Not really. But even if he does suck at it, it’s relevant info for a recruiter
chilango
5/29/19 11:12am
100%. It’s name is not BYU. It’s name is BYU-Idaho.
Jay Rick
5/29/19 10:47am
What is the name of the Church-owned university located in Rexburg?
garyfan
5/29/19 10:49am
RE: What is the name of the Church-owned university located in Rexburg?
The Dude Abides
5/29/19 10:55am
RE: What is the name of the Church-owned university located in Rexburg?
Faceman
5/29/19 11:06am
It is Brigham Young University-Idaho. so he used a comma instead of a dash.
smokymountainrain
5/29/19 10:49am
Um, he left out a whole word. “Idaho” is part of the name.
Joe Banks
5/29/19 10:51am
yes, and he said he went to the one in idaho. again, if he were trying to
smokymountainrain
5/29/19 10:52am
He's trying to create plausible deniability.
garyfan
5/29/19 10:54am
He didn’t go to “the one in Idaho.” There isn’t “one” in Utah and one in
Jay Rick
5/29/19 10:54am
yes, all with the name Brigham Young University. bottom line is, based
smokymountainrain
5/29/19 10:58am
We know, because we’re familiar with these schools. No one else knows.
Jay Rick
5/29/19 10:59am
if they aren't familiar, that is their problem - not his.
smokymountainrain
5/29/19 11:00am
Uh, actually, he’s the one writing the resume. And he’s using the fact that
Jay Rick
5/29/19 11:02am
So after attending University A and listing the exact name of University B on
garyfan
5/29/19 11:04am
"If I can get away with cheating, that's not on me, that's on you."
ArchbishopMitty
5/29/19 11:51am
Sounds like a line from “Animal House.”
chilango
5/29/19 11:55am
RE: "If I can get away with cheating, that's not on me, that's on you."
The Dark Knight
5/29/19 11:59am
Yes. A point he doesn't want to concede.
garyfan
5/29/19 11:00am
Nope, most people east of the Rockies won't know the difference
The Dark Knight
5/29/19 11:55am
Nice try. If he simply used incorrect punctuation, he would have instead been
garyfan
5/29/19 10:51am
no, he didn't just use a comma
Littlerich
5/29/19 10:51am
I hate these posts.
TailgateU
5/29/19 5:46pm
RE: I hate these posts.
TCuz
5/29/19 7:11pm
I'm fine with people going to BYU-Idaho. But BYU-I people need to stop lying.
TheWanderer
5/29/19 8:42pm
That's why I always do Brigham Young University-Idaho, Rexburg, Idaho.
TN_Coug
5/29/19 10:44am
what is the misleading part?
smokymountainrain
5/29/19 10:45am
BYU and BYU-I are separate universities
Littlerich
5/29/19 10:49am
yeah, and he clarified that on his resume.
smokymountainrain
5/29/19 10:51am
no, he didn't
Littlerich
5/29/19 10:52am
No, he named the university "Brigham Young University", not "Brigham Young University - Idaho"
Ragnar Danneskjold
5/29/19 10:55am
ragnar, based on that resume, where would you say he went to school?
smokymountainrain
5/29/19 10:58am
Hey, let's ask more BYU alums the same stupid question, continually ignoring
garyfan
5/29/19 11:05am
if i name any given university, about the same size/prestige as BYU, could you
smokymountainrain
5/29/19 11:09am
But do people know that the campus in Rexburg is actually a different university
garyfan
5/29/19 11:12am
i understand your point, i don't see it as a big deal. the reader knows
smokymountainrain
5/29/19 11:15am
*THIS* reader knows where he went to school. Many readers will not.
garyfan
5/29/19 11:17am
everybody who is hiring college graduates knows BYU is in Utah.
smokymountainrain
5/29/19 11:19am
It's almost like you're ignoring the points I'm making.
garyfan
5/29/19 11:23am
This is false.
chilango
5/29/19 11:55am
Apples to oranges. If Clemson had a less well known and less well regarded
OlanchoCoug
5/29/19 12:09pm
If I didn't know where BYU was located, 100% BYU.
Ragnar Danneskjold
5/29/19 12:32pm
If I saw that on a potential resident or fellow CV/resume I assume they were
Littlerich
5/29/19 11:00am
He didn't clarify it. He wrote the wrong name.
byuwahoo
5/29/19 11:29am
Yes. Intent to deceive.
FootBackwards
5/29/19 10:45am
Somewhere, Max Hall just shivered
RSL
5/29/19 10:49am
One of the partners at a law firm I used to work at
CommodoreCoug
5/29/19 10:45am
Looks OK to me. Why quibble over a comma versus a dash?
ColoSpgs
5/29/19 10:46am
He made the same typo on his resume, and I honored it in the OP.
garyfan
5/29/19 10:46am
Sounds like someone to bring in for an interview and ask about it
WorfoSAUR
5/29/19 10:47am
Or ding him, and give him a call to tell him exactly why
Greg Kite's 'stache
5/29/19 10:54am
I would email them back with a rejection - specifically pointing out that he is dishonest.
Ragnar Danneskjold
5/29/19 10:54am
lol
smokymountainrain
5/29/19 10:55am
I think that is the only appropriate action here.
BGRTHNUMEGO
5/29/19 11:00am
If someone wrote “Loyola University, Baltimore, MD” would you
Odysseus
5/29/19 10:57am
Honestly, I don’t know anything about any of those schools, and I assume
Jay Rick
5/29/19 11:01am
Huh? If you know BYU-Idaho is less prestigious than The BYU then it will
Odysseus
5/29/19 11:05am
Maybe I wasn’t clear. I’ll try again.
Jay Rick
5/29/19 11:10am
I’m trying to imagine a scenario where a university is prestigious but I don’t
Odysseus
5/29/19 11:21am
I think in some parts of the country, the west is a blur. But more importantly,
Jay Rick
5/29/19 11:45am
That’s not an apples-to-apples comparison because there is no university named
garyfan
5/29/19 12:00pm
Ok. Would "University of Texas, El Paso, TX" be deceptive? To me it's obvious
Odysseus
5/29/19 12:06pm
That’s identical to the UC example. There is no “University of Texas.”
garyfan
5/29/19 12:10pm
You didn't answer the question. Is it deceptive? There is no "BYU" either so is
Odysseus
5/29/19 12:21pm
Yes, it’s misleading to someone not as familiar with BYU and BYU-I as we are.
garyfan
5/29/19 12:25pm
<< Deleted >>
chilango
5/29/19 12:25pm
What? There is a BYU, there is not a BYU-Provo
Littlerich
5/29/19 12:35pm
None of the examples listed were technically correct. But we know what was meant
Odysseus
5/29/19 12:36pm
a resume should be factually correct. Brigham Young University, Rexburg, ID
Littlerich
5/29/19 12:39pm
Officially, no BYU. But if someone says BYU I know what they mean
Odysseus
5/29/19 12:45pm
There is an official BYU. It is located in Provo, Utah. The official name of the
Littlerich
5/29/19 12:48pm
It's a technicality - that's the point. Not sure how you guys keep missing that
Odysseus
5/29/19 12:55pm
So it's just a technicality that they have different admissions criteria,
garyfan
5/29/19 12:57pm
It isn't a technicality, it is a fact
Littlerich
5/29/19 1:04pm
I have nothing against BYU-I, but it isn't BYU, and CVs/resumes should be
Littlerich
5/29/19 1:05pm
Why do you keep saying there’s no BYU? That’s false.
garyfan
5/29/19 12:49pm
You said “there is no BYU either,” but there is.
Jay Rick
5/29/19 12:53pm
You’re right, of course, but if it were hyphenated, wouldn’t it be “BYU-Utah”
chilango
5/29/19 12:42pm
Sure, and it would make no meaningful difference either way
Odysseus
5/29/19 12:58pm
Yes, it is deceptive. No, not everyone would know the difference.
The Dark Knight
5/29/19 12:40pm
Most corporate recruiters have heard of BYU, while few outside the Rockies have
chilango
5/29/19 11:16am
you really think they don't know the state BYU is located?
smokymountainrain
5/29/19 11:18am
Yes, I know so. I live in the East, and while most recruiters know of BYU and
chilango
5/29/19 11:25am
I live in CA but am originally from Idaho. Even in CA many seemingly intelligent
TayPower
5/30/19 9:51am
Same thing happened to me last fall, I thought it was purposely misleading and
chilango
5/29/19 10:57am
Lol. Until you ‘figured it out’. Haa....
kotacoug
5/29/19 11:13am
In this case, he didn’t bother to list the city or state. I didn’t figure it out
chilango
5/29/19 11:20am
Just curious, what kinds of questions did you ask him about Provo?
thundernuggets
5/30/19 11:32pm
I started with football, since BYU had just defeated Wisconsin, and we were in
chilango
5/31/19 5:53am
And your last sentence is why people do it
jkccoug
5/31/19 5:35am
Makes me glad I didn't go to BYU, so I don't have to care about this.
PharmCoug
5/29/19 10:59am
The real way to handle this is bring in for an interview ask about all his
mudpupper
5/29/19 11:00am
he'd say, what are you talking about - it says on my resume i went to school in
smokymountainrain
5/29/19 11:04am
I agree that that would be his response.
garyfan
5/29/19 11:06am
Yep. The hope is that he’ll get the benefit of the unknowing reader thinking he
Jay Rick
5/29/19 11:12am
if the reader is dumb enough to be unaware that byu is in utah, they really
smokymountainrain
5/29/19 11:17am
RE: if the reader is dumb enough to be unaware that byu is in utah, they really
garyfan
5/29/19 11:18am
And if the employer is in Kentucky?
The Dark Knight
5/29/19 11:26am
Do you think most here know exactly where Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, or even
chilango
5/29/19 11:36am
I don't know where any of those are.
The Dark Knight
5/29/19 11:46am
"If you can't catch my deception, then you are dumb and I am justified."
ArchbishopMitty
5/29/19 11:55am
BACHELOR'S: Stanford for Mormons, Provo, UT
BYUnerd
5/29/19 11:01am
I'm ok with it.
WDaddy
5/29/19 11:08am
Time to change the name of the Idaho school back. Dumb.
TCuz
5/29/19 11:13am
I don't see how this is dishonest.
jackcrack7
5/29/19 11:14am
Why didn’t he list the full name of the school then?
cougarnerd
5/29/19 11:19am
He did. He just included an extra word. He didn't hide Idaho.
jackcrack7
5/29/19 2:54pm
Some holier than thou BYU grads apparently think it’s a HUGE deal. Chilago
kotacoug
5/29/19 11:19am
also someone willing to inflate his/her credentials. this is a bigger deal than
demon_llama
5/29/19 11:22am
It would be a big deal in my profession
Littlerich
5/29/19 11:53am
He got the name wrong. Not dishonest if he's just dumb I guess.
Grit for Brains
5/29/19 11:21am
Not everyone around the country knows about BYU-Idaho
The Dark Knight
5/29/19 11:29am
BYU and BYU-I are different schools. They have different names. BYU without the
russkiejedi
5/29/19 11:47am
You should hire him and then fire him
cougarnerd
5/29/19 11:23am
Honestly I think BYU-I, or whatever professional writing guide is followed,
demon_llama
5/29/19 11:24am
Did you ask in the interview to clarify the school name
Heinz57
5/29/19 11:25am
BYU-I's own resume writing page has examples that show how the school
demon_llama
5/29/19 11:29am
I don't have a problem with it.
SoCalCoug
5/29/19 11:32am
At the very least, it's someone who doesn't pay attention to details.
ArchbishopMitty
5/29/19 11:57am
Change it to Joseph Smith University
Thrill
5/29/19 12:01pm
Orson Pratt would like to have a word with you.
chilango
5/29/19 12:05pm
Name BYU-Hawaii after him.
Thrill
5/29/19 12:11pm
Would be the best university acronym ever.
chilango
5/29/19 12:27pm
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VballDad
5/29/19 6:59pm
When you apply online the database only gives you 1BYU 2BYU Idaho 3 BYU Hawaii.
VballDad
5/29/19 7:02pm
So is this acceptable? BACHELOR'S: University of California; Davis, CA
BYUinTX
5/30/19 10:31am
It's less misleading because there is no university by that name.
garyfan
5/30/19 10:54am
Are you sure?
Squeegee
5/30/19 11:44am
Yes, you just confirmed it.
garyfan
5/30/19 11:47am
Not quite.
thundernuggets
5/30/19 11:36pm
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