Wow, the church is way too demanding and requires too much sacrifice for me to

Sep 13, 2024
1:11:59pm

ray ray All-American

ever consider being culturally in, but mentally out. Tithing alone would be a disqualifier if I didn't believe. I can't relate to that line of thinking.

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This is not just a Utah fan issue, it's a non-mormon living in Utah issue

Schultz is back

Sep 13, 9:52am

Definitely the case in my extended family

BYU '80

Sep 13, 9:53am

Overcompensating

Knee Brace

Sep 13, 9:57am

<< Deleted >>

ArcticKat

Sep 13, 2:33pm

💯…& by “not LDS” its the exmos that are the absolute worst. Trying to prove how

Das_Countach

Sep 13, 3:09pm

Facts, it’s a cult! I am exmo as well but it’s not my identity

NonmormonYfan89

Sep 13, 3:47pm

It’s bizarre that the game is called the holy war.

NYCougz

Sep 13, 9:58am

Sub-group = folks that have left the church but cant leave it alone.

YoungstownCoug

Sep 13, 9:59am

Plus LDS who are determined to show that they are not like those other Mormons

cougarmeister

Sep 13, 10:07am

Yep, weird. They should just move on and do their thing

Cougstreak

Sep 13, 10:18am

Should Martin Luther have left the Catholic Church alone? No. Former members are

Undefeated

Sep 13, 5:10pm

Hmmm. Most members that I know that have left the church are not acting like Martin Luther.

Cougstreak

Sep 13, 8:24pm

I don't know any nonbelievers who aren't seeking for truth. 0. And I think it's

Undefeated

Sep 13, 9:43pm

I think we are talking about two different things and you are looking to preach, we don't disagree.

Cougstreak

Sep 13, 10:31pm

this is hilarious and so hypocritical for an adherent of a church that believes

Czar-castic

Sep 13, 10:48pm

What are you talking about? I said I want to hear their thoughts.

Cougstreak

Sep 14, 6:47am

RE: What are you talking about? I said I want to hear their thoughts.

Czar-castic

Sep 14, 9:56am

RE: I think we are talking about two different things and you are looking to

Undefeated

Sep 13, 10:55pm

☝️ added to the end of my post.

Undefeated

Sep 13, 10:58pm

You are a million times nicer than I am when talking about it with

Czar-castic

Sep 13, 11:03pm

Hey thanks!

Undefeated

Sep 13, 11:23pm

I am great with a good discussion and those are reasonable.

Cougstreak

Sep 14, 6:49am

If you are truly great with a good discussion and think those reasonable

Undefeated

Sep 14, 11:35am

As someone who grew up on the east coast, I fully agree with his take on Utahns.

ldssdl

Sep 13, 10:09am

I lived on the east coast for decades and agree

Cougstreak

Sep 13, 8:24pm

Same has been expressed to me by a close friend who moved to SLC

Forbidden Fruit

Sep 13, 10:12am

When we moved back East, not a soul came to welcome us to the neighborhood.

refunder

Sep 13, 2:07pm

This is 100% true. Here is a story to prove that point.

carwasher3000

Sep 13, 10:17am

the over-compensation is truly embarrassing

JupiterJones

Sep 13, 10:51am

My job has me in a lot of those situations. I'm always bemused by the eagerness

seacougar

Sep 13, 12:44pm

I consider myself and my family in the middle living in Utah. We go to church

Magneto

Sep 13, 10:19am

I do the same but enjoy the Malibu chicken at sizzler. I also drink Pero

Forbidden Fruit

Sep 13, 10:22am

Boardname checks out.

CougGolf

Sep 13, 10:29am

Literally dying at “dabble in playing face cards” 😂

YoungstownCoug

Sep 13, 10:31am

I don't think I've ever heard "enjoy" and "sizzler" used together 🤔

OldFogey

Sep 13, 1:43pm

Pero is scorched barley. Lots of people

jlhazlewood

Sep 13, 2:34pm

With respect, that's not "in the middle." That's spending time with your family.

Mjolnir

Sep 13, 10:48am

I’m not underestimating anything. This is why BYU plays and practices on Sunday

Magneto

Sep 13, 11:04am

Maybe you're overestimating? Lol

OldFogey

Sep 13, 1:44pm

I'd condemn you publicly, but you said TX Roadhouse so that overrides it 😅

OldFogey

Sep 13, 1:45pm

You’re welcome to join us too. The church will always be there, your family wont

Magneto

Sep 13, 3:10pm

Interesting. I remember going to restaurants on Sundays as a kid and bumping

RoboKayne

Sep 13, 4:33pm

Oh the steak center?

Great38

Sep 13, 8:17pm

So where do the Secret Mormon Wives tiktokers fit on the spectrum?

Captain Stubing

Sep 13, 10:30am

Seeking fame by mocking others beliefs, granted I never seen the show.

germ1

Sep 13, 11:09am

That's pretty much how I see Utah too. I only lived there during my BYU years,

Japan Coug

Sep 13, 10:38am

Growing up as a non-member yewt, I can confirm this. Once I joined the Church,

Mjolnir

Sep 13, 10:52am

I grew up in Utah, but I’ve lived in other states for over 25 years.

HiLife

Sep 13, 11:15am

It's interesting, sometimes depressing to observe how a minority religion with a

StoneyCurtis

Sep 13, 11:16am

I've shared this story before

Carnac

Sep 13, 11:23am

We’re all at a different place in our faith journey and …

ByTheirFruits

Sep 13, 11:51am

Even the ALUF's like to pretend they're not members when hanging at at Yew

TrueBlue67

Sep 13, 12:14pm

Only lived in Utah for grad school. Nowhere else I've ever lived do people

CycloneCoug

Sep 13, 12:16pm

I have to disagree. The problem with your analysis is you can't see

Undefeated

Sep 13, 12:16pm

Sadly, I think you hit the nail on the head as to why people go to reddit. it is

TrueBlue67

Sep 13, 12:26pm

Actually, it depends on the subreddit of course. I'm

Undefeated

Sep 13, 12:51pm

Well said—I'm in a very similar position

reddead

Sep 13, 12:30pm

I think there are many like you. In LDS culture, it's hard for many unbelievers

Japan Coug

Sep 13, 12:34pm

Maybe should be in a different thread

Carnac

Sep 13, 12:41pm

There is so much to respond to here. If I was on my

Undefeated

Sep 13, 12:59pm

Which is fair and I expect there is a lot more to it

Carnac

Sep 13, 1:07pm

Wow, the church is way too demanding and requires too much sacrifice for me to

ray ray

Sep 13, 1:11pm

If you thought there was any chance that rocking the boat could upend your

Undefeated

Sep 13, 1:33pm

Devils advocate here

Carnac

Sep 13, 1:46pm

I really think I have a good explanation for all of that. And even though I've

Undefeated

Sep 13, 1:55pm

"It either occurred or it did not occur. If it did not, then this work ...

ByTheirFruits

Sep 13, 5:10pm

This is an excellent example of confirmation bias

reddead

Sep 13, 12:28pm

Yep. It's the Texas sharpshooter fallacy. Among other fallacies.

Undefeated

Sep 13, 12:35pm

Your statement/situation can be true, while the broader pattern is also true.

ray ray

Sep 13, 1:16pm

At the end of the day, it's a athletic rivalry, so I get it...

reddead

Sep 13, 2:02pm

I don’t think it’s hard to prove at all. If there is a statistically significant

ray ray

Sep 13, 4:12pm

There is more concentrated animosity for the Catholic Church in the Northeast US

Undefeated

Sep 13, 7:08pm

What you're suggesting isn't true. Non-lds without tattoos and long hair? Lies!

OldFogey

Sep 13, 1:48pm

Non-LDS without tattoos and long hair SO FAR 😉

reddead

Sep 13, 1:55pm

It's like when many say,

Undefeated

Sep 13, 2:53pm

logical solution is for more of you white collar church types to go to more bars

Czar-castic

Sep 13, 12:39pm

Why care? I know many people

BYUvermont

Sep 13, 1:20pm

I have a lot of non member friends in Utah and outside. I see no difference whatsoever between the bars.

AltTabbins

Sep 13, 1:44pm

probably has way more to do with the individual bar than anything else

Czar-castic

Sep 13, 1:50pm

Exactly.

AltTabbins

Sep 13, 2:01pm

We just went to a dinner meeting with random people. The couple next to us

refunder

Sep 13, 1:53pm

I'm 60. Lived here as an adult about 19 of those years.

OmahaOmaha

Sep 13, 2:17pm

Sorry. Response meant for Original Poster.

OmahaOmaha

Sep 13, 2:18pm

You just hit the nail on the head

Blue chunks

Sep 13, 3:01pm

Not sure it's a majority, but it is a big chunk. A big chunk are also faithful

311polo

Sep 13, 3:11pm

I’m the middle guy! lol but seriously as an exmo who still loves BYU and Mormons

NonmormonYfan89

Sep 13, 3:45pm

this is very similar to me, but a number of things are starting to bug me more

Czar-castic

Sep 13, 4:00pm

Can I ask what?

NonmormonYfan89

Sep 13, 4:08pm

Jefe/mods definitely reinforce some unflattering stereotypes

reddead

Sep 13, 4:21pm

Cougar Nation needs guys like you

cajuncoug

Sep 13, 6:31pm

Seems to me many of those who go extreme the other way are due to political

Undefeated

Sep 13, 6:52pm

there also appear to be members who go extreme, look at the fifty billion

Czar-castic

Sep 14, 3:30pm

Some take

Undefeated

Sep 14, 3:47pm

Thank you, I appreciate that! To me it’s the community I grew up in

NonmormonYfan89

Sep 13, 10:15pm

I too appreciate your style on this, I have a son you remind me of. he’s a

Blue chunks

Sep 13, 11:34pm

My whole thing is I just don’t believe anymore has anymore

NonmormonYfan89

Sep 14, 12:33am

Just for fun you should read a couple books by Dr Kenneth Ring. he’s a

Blue chunks

Sep 14, 7:52am

If you have 3 hours to spare

Undefeated

Sep 14, 1:15pm

I listened to the into, didn’t have time for the full thing, but I’m intrigued.

NonmormonYfan89

Sep 14, 2:49pm

RE: This is not just a Utah fan issue, it's a non-mormon living in Utah issue

luckyday

Sep 13, 4:27pm

seriously, the amount of exmo hate I read on this board is crazy and I can't

Czar-castic

Sep 13, 4:31pm

A friend who is not LDS but lived in Salt Lake City 20 years ago for work

Srg

Sep 13, 6:17pm

RE: This is not just a Utah fan issue, it's a non-mormon living in Utah issue

Undefeated

Sep 13, 6:18pm

Thank you for this post

PCYFAN

Sep 13, 9:46pm

The group the OP describes really bugs me mostly because they are so judgmental

Blue chunks

Sep 13, 11:52pm

Yup I do uber and lyft on the side sometimes to make some extra cash

CougMAGA

Sep 14, 12:41am

Except if I, or one of my in-laws, or one of my cousins, one of my nieces or

Undefeated

Sep 14, 11:45am

This x1000. Was just saying this exact thing to my friend.

Your Royal Blueness

Sep 14, 2:21am

I disagree with this for the most part.

mikecito

Sep 14, 11:39am

And less than 42% of that 42% is active.

Undefeated

Sep 14, 11:54am

Judging anyone by their looks is a very unchristian character trait, IMHO.

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