Why do you keep saying there’s no BYU? That’s false.

May 29, 2019
12:49:18pm

garyfan All-American

Also, I agree that the question of whether the resume is misleading is separate from the question of intent. We can assume the most innocent of explanations but we should agree that some readers of that resume might be misled.

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I just reviewed a resume that listed two universities attended, as follows:

garyfan

5/29/19 10:41am

Dishonest

byuwahoo

5/29/19 10:42am

How do they list UC Irvine or UTEP on a resume?

TaiJuan

5/29/19 10:43am

Yep. Seems dishonest. But also, this was sort of the point of the name

Jay Rick

5/29/19 10:44am

You should still list the actual name of the university you went to, rather than

garyfan

5/29/19 10:45am

uh, that is exactly what they did. they went to brigham young university in

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:46am

Are you aware of the name of the university located in Rexburg?

garyfan

5/29/19 10:47am

yes.

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:48am

What do you believe it to be?

garyfan

5/29/19 10:49am

it's not about what i believe it to be, it's about what it is.

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:50am

Right, and Rexburg is nowhere in the name.

garyfan

5/29/19 10:52am

garyfan, based on that resume, do you know exactly where he went to school?

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:53am

Do I? Yes, because I'm a BYU alum. Would others in my field who aren't as

garyfan

5/29/19 10:55am

Sounds like he is smart do write it this way then.

fulano

5/29/19 10:56am

if he's trying to be deceptive or "dishonest" he seriously sucks at it. like,

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:56am

Not really. But even if he does suck at it, it’s relevant info for a recruiter

chilango

5/29/19 11:12am

100%. It’s name is not BYU. It’s name is BYU-Idaho.

Jay Rick

5/29/19 10:47am

What is the name of the Church-owned university located in Rexburg?

garyfan

5/29/19 10:49am

RE: What is the name of the Church-owned university located in Rexburg?

The Dude Abides

5/29/19 10:55am

RE: What is the name of the Church-owned university located in Rexburg?

Faceman

5/29/19 11:06am

It is Brigham Young University-Idaho. so he used a comma instead of a dash.

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:49am

Um, he left out a whole word. “Idaho” is part of the name.

Joe Banks

5/29/19 10:51am

yes, and he said he went to the one in idaho. again, if he were trying to

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:52am

He's trying to create plausible deniability.

garyfan

5/29/19 10:54am

He didn’t go to “the one in Idaho.” There isn’t “one” in Utah and one in

Jay Rick

5/29/19 10:54am

yes, all with the name Brigham Young University. bottom line is, based

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:58am

We know, because we’re familiar with these schools. No one else knows.

Jay Rick

5/29/19 10:59am

if they aren't familiar, that is their problem - not his.

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 11:00am

Uh, actually, he’s the one writing the resume. And he’s using the fact that

Jay Rick

5/29/19 11:02am

So after attending University A and listing the exact name of University B on

garyfan

5/29/19 11:04am

"If I can get away with cheating, that's not on me, that's on you."

ArchbishopMitty

5/29/19 11:51am

Sounds like a line from “Animal House.”

chilango

5/29/19 11:55am

RE: "If I can get away with cheating, that's not on me, that's on you."

The Dark Knight

5/29/19 11:59am

Yes. A point he doesn't want to concede.

garyfan

5/29/19 11:00am

Nope, most people east of the Rockies won't know the difference

The Dark Knight

5/29/19 11:55am

Nice try. If he simply used incorrect punctuation, he would have instead been

garyfan

5/29/19 10:51am

no, he didn't just use a comma

Littlerich

5/29/19 10:51am

I hate these posts.

TailgateU

5/29/19 5:46pm

RE: I hate these posts.

TCuz

5/29/19 7:11pm

I'm fine with people going to BYU-Idaho. But BYU-I people need to stop lying.

TheWanderer

5/29/19 8:42pm

That's why I always do Brigham Young University-Idaho, Rexburg, Idaho.

TN_Coug

5/29/19 10:44am

what is the misleading part?

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:45am

BYU and BYU-I are separate universities

Littlerich

5/29/19 10:49am

yeah, and he clarified that on his resume.

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:51am

no, he didn't

Littlerich

5/29/19 10:52am

No, he named the university "Brigham Young University", not "Brigham Young University - Idaho"

Ragnar Danneskjold

5/29/19 10:55am

ragnar, based on that resume, where would you say he went to school?

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:58am

Hey, let's ask more BYU alums the same stupid question, continually ignoring

garyfan

5/29/19 11:05am

if i name any given university, about the same size/prestige as BYU, could you

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 11:09am

But do people know that the campus in Rexburg is actually a different university

garyfan

5/29/19 11:12am

i understand your point, i don't see it as a big deal. the reader knows

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 11:15am

*THIS* reader knows where he went to school. Many readers will not.

garyfan

5/29/19 11:17am

everybody who is hiring college graduates knows BYU is in Utah.

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 11:19am

It's almost like you're ignoring the points I'm making.

garyfan

5/29/19 11:23am

This is false.

chilango

5/29/19 11:55am

Apples to oranges. If Clemson had a less well known and less well regarded

OlanchoCoug

5/29/19 12:09pm

If I didn't know where BYU was located, 100% BYU.

Ragnar Danneskjold

5/29/19 12:32pm

If I saw that on a potential resident or fellow CV/resume I assume they were

Littlerich

5/29/19 11:00am

He didn't clarify it. He wrote the wrong name.

byuwahoo

5/29/19 11:29am

Yes. Intent to deceive.

FootBackwards

5/29/19 10:45am

Somewhere, Max Hall just shivered

RSL

5/29/19 10:49am

One of the partners at a law firm I used to work at

CommodoreCoug

5/29/19 10:45am

Looks OK to me. Why quibble over a comma versus a dash?

ColoSpgs

5/29/19 10:46am

He made the same typo on his resume, and I honored it in the OP.

garyfan

5/29/19 10:46am

Sounds like someone to bring in for an interview and ask about it

WorfoSAUR

5/29/19 10:47am

Or ding him, and give him a call to tell him exactly why

Greg Kite's 'stache

5/29/19 10:54am

I would email them back with a rejection - specifically pointing out that he is dishonest.

Ragnar Danneskjold

5/29/19 10:54am

lol

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 10:55am

I think that is the only appropriate action here.

BGRTHNUMEGO

5/29/19 11:00am

If someone wrote “Loyola University, Baltimore, MD” would you

Odysseus

5/29/19 10:57am

Honestly, I don’t know anything about any of those schools, and I assume

Jay Rick

5/29/19 11:01am

Huh? If you know BYU-Idaho is less prestigious than The BYU then it will

Odysseus

5/29/19 11:05am

Maybe I wasn’t clear. I’ll try again.

Jay Rick

5/29/19 11:10am

I’m trying to imagine a scenario where a university is prestigious but I don’t

Odysseus

5/29/19 11:21am

I think in some parts of the country, the west is a blur. But more importantly,

Jay Rick

5/29/19 11:45am

That’s not an apples-to-apples comparison because there is no university named

garyfan

5/29/19 12:00pm

Ok. Would "University of Texas, El Paso, TX" be deceptive? To me it's obvious

Odysseus

5/29/19 12:06pm

That’s identical to the UC example. There is no “University of Texas.”

garyfan

5/29/19 12:10pm

You didn't answer the question. Is it deceptive? There is no "BYU" either so is

Odysseus

5/29/19 12:21pm

Yes, it’s misleading to someone not as familiar with BYU and BYU-I as we are.

garyfan

5/29/19 12:25pm

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chilango

5/29/19 12:25pm

What? There is a BYU, there is not a BYU-Provo

Littlerich

5/29/19 12:35pm

None of the examples listed were technically correct. But we know what was meant

Odysseus

5/29/19 12:36pm

a resume should be factually correct. Brigham Young University, Rexburg, ID

Littlerich

5/29/19 12:39pm

Officially, no BYU. But if someone says BYU I know what they mean

Odysseus

5/29/19 12:45pm

There is an official BYU. It is located in Provo, Utah. The official name of the

Littlerich

5/29/19 12:48pm

It's a technicality - that's the point. Not sure how you guys keep missing that

Odysseus

5/29/19 12:55pm

So it's just a technicality that they have different admissions criteria,

garyfan

5/29/19 12:57pm

It isn't a technicality, it is a fact

Littlerich

5/29/19 1:04pm

I have nothing against BYU-I, but it isn't BYU, and CVs/resumes should be

Littlerich

5/29/19 1:05pm

Why do you keep saying there’s no BYU? That’s false.

garyfan

5/29/19 12:49pm

You said “there is no BYU either,” but there is.

Jay Rick

5/29/19 12:53pm

You’re right, of course, but if it were hyphenated, wouldn’t it be “BYU-Utah”

chilango

5/29/19 12:42pm

Sure, and it would make no meaningful difference either way

Odysseus

5/29/19 12:58pm

Yes, it is deceptive. No, not everyone would know the difference.

The Dark Knight

5/29/19 12:40pm

Most corporate recruiters have heard of BYU, while few outside the Rockies have

chilango

5/29/19 11:16am

you really think they don't know the state BYU is located?

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 11:18am

Yes, I know so. I live in the East, and while most recruiters know of BYU and

chilango

5/29/19 11:25am

I live in CA but am originally from Idaho. Even in CA many seemingly intelligent

TayPower

5/30/19 9:51am

Same thing happened to me last fall, I thought it was purposely misleading and

chilango

5/29/19 10:57am

Lol. Until you ‘figured it out’. Haa....

kotacoug

5/29/19 11:13am

In this case, he didn’t bother to list the city or state. I didn’t figure it out

chilango

5/29/19 11:20am

Just curious, what kinds of questions did you ask him about Provo?

thundernuggets

5/30/19 11:32pm

I started with football, since BYU had just defeated Wisconsin, and we were in

chilango

5/31/19 5:53am

And your last sentence is why people do it

jkccoug

5/31/19 5:35am

Makes me glad I didn't go to BYU, so I don't have to care about this.

PharmCoug

5/29/19 10:59am

The real way to handle this is bring in for an interview ask about all his

mudpupper

5/29/19 11:00am

he'd say, what are you talking about - it says on my resume i went to school in

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 11:04am

I agree that that would be his response.

garyfan

5/29/19 11:06am

Yep. The hope is that he’ll get the benefit of the unknowing reader thinking he

Jay Rick

5/29/19 11:12am

if the reader is dumb enough to be unaware that byu is in utah, they really

smokymountainrain

5/29/19 11:17am

RE: if the reader is dumb enough to be unaware that byu is in utah, they really

garyfan

5/29/19 11:18am

And if the employer is in Kentucky?

The Dark Knight

5/29/19 11:26am

Do you think most here know exactly where Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, or even

chilango

5/29/19 11:36am

I don't know where any of those are.

The Dark Knight

5/29/19 11:46am

"If you can't catch my deception, then you are dumb and I am justified."

ArchbishopMitty

5/29/19 11:55am

BACHELOR'S: Stanford for Mormons, Provo, UT

BYUnerd

5/29/19 11:01am

I'm ok with it.

WDaddy

5/29/19 11:08am

Time to change the name of the Idaho school back. Dumb.

TCuz

5/29/19 11:13am

I don't see how this is dishonest.

jackcrack7

5/29/19 11:14am

Why didn’t he list the full name of the school then?

cougarnerd

5/29/19 11:19am

He did. He just included an extra word. He didn't hide Idaho.

jackcrack7

5/29/19 2:54pm

Some holier than thou BYU grads apparently think it’s a HUGE deal. Chilago

kotacoug

5/29/19 11:19am

also someone willing to inflate his/her credentials. this is a bigger deal than

demon_llama

5/29/19 11:22am

It would be a big deal in my profession

Littlerich

5/29/19 11:53am

He got the name wrong. Not dishonest if he's just dumb I guess.

Grit for Brains

5/29/19 11:21am

Not everyone around the country knows about BYU-Idaho

The Dark Knight

5/29/19 11:29am

BYU and BYU-I are different schools. They have different names. BYU without the

russkiejedi

5/29/19 11:47am

You should hire him and then fire him

cougarnerd

5/29/19 11:23am

Honestly I think BYU-I, or whatever professional writing guide is followed,

demon_llama

5/29/19 11:24am

Did you ask in the interview to clarify the school name

Heinz57

5/29/19 11:25am

BYU-I's own resume writing page has examples that show how the school

demon_llama

5/29/19 11:29am

I don't have a problem with it.

SoCalCoug

5/29/19 11:32am

At the very least, it's someone who doesn't pay attention to details.

ArchbishopMitty

5/29/19 11:57am

Change it to Joseph Smith University

Thrill

5/29/19 12:01pm

Orson Pratt would like to have a word with you.

chilango

5/29/19 12:05pm

Name BYU-Hawaii after him.

Thrill

5/29/19 12:11pm

Would be the best university acronym ever.

chilango

5/29/19 12:27pm

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VballDad

5/29/19 6:59pm

When you apply online the database only gives you 1BYU 2BYU Idaho 3 BYU Hawaii.

VballDad

5/29/19 7:02pm

So is this acceptable? BACHELOR'S: University of California; Davis, CA

BYUinTX

5/30/19 10:31am

It's less misleading because there is no university by that name.

garyfan

5/30/19 10:54am

Are you sure?

Squeegee

5/30/19 11:44am

Yes, you just confirmed it.

garyfan

5/30/19 11:47am

Not quite.

thundernuggets

5/30/19 11:36pm

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