The O is the reason we lost that game. Number of possessions excuse for the O is false and a red herring:

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Dec 21, 2020
8:24:27pm

mvtoro Scrub

The O is the reason we lost that game. Number of possessions excuse for the O is false and a red herring:

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BYU's weakness:

Hawk Talons

12/21/20 1:38pm

UCF doesn't eat up tons of clock. They are the fastest tempo offense in the nation

Indy Coug

12/21/20 1:40pm

That's a good thing for us.

HighHorse

12/21/20 1:45pm

Tuiaki: "Hold my diet coke."

slowhiteguy

12/21/20 2:47pm

This made me laugh out loud.

jessedwilliams

12/21/20 7:11pm

Honestly, I feel like SDSU got several very lucky 3rd down conversions where the

dYrtbYkerYder

12/21/20 1:45pm

SDSU seems to always have good receivers.

Hawk Talons

12/21/20 1:47pm

There were some truly amazing catches by SDSU receivers in that game.

BYUtka

12/21/20 1:52pm

Their tight end made a couple of spectacular catches laying out for the ball

BlueBlitzkrieg

12/21/20 1:58pm

Yes, but I think Rex's TD catch one up'ed him. 😃

Ungoy

12/21/20 2:40pm

If anything BYU got lucky

HairyCougar

12/21/20 2:01pm

Not sure if you understand the brilliance of the Tuiaki defense. SDSU did

BYUlv

12/21/20 2:21pm

And we complain about our coaches. Such a simple concept.

Y05

12/21/20 2:44pm

His defense banks on the other team making a mistake. If they run enough plays

Powerbait DPM

12/21/20 2:52pm

Unless they don't...

cougaman

12/21/20 4:37pm

SDSU's anemic offense with a scrub...maybe. Any decent offense?

HairyCougar

12/21/20 4:40pm

Which is such a moronic concept. More plays = more good plays, too

reddead

12/21/20 4:57pm

The Show? Is that you?

Little Mac

12/21/20 11:01pm

Your signature is pretty awesome.

bob falfa

12/21/20 3:02pm

Have always loved that video. Funny how the yellow shirts leave the poor guy

CT98

12/21/20 9:33pm

While this is true

I'mBatman

12/21/20 4:34pm

No, we gave them 3rd downs with the 3 man rush. All day to pass.

oldrugger

12/21/20 5:42pm

Feels like BYU defense is destined to give up unlikely 3rd down conversions

djbryant79

12/21/20 8:36pm

I think the d players went to Sitaki and asked how can we spend more time on

bald man

12/21/20 1:49pm

BYU's defensive weakness is that when the opposing offense plays mistake free,

ldssdl

12/21/20 1:54pm

Didn’t we have 11 or 12 offensive possessions against CC?

LyleLanley

12/21/20 2:01pm

BYU had 11 possessions. They average 11.5 possessions per game in 2020.

Indy Coug

12/21/20 2:03pm

This is another stupid stat. As soon as you're up 3 TD's you want to shorten

rcbyufan

12/21/20 2:40pm

BYU's offensive impotence was the biggest problem that game. They had plenty of chances and squandered most of them

Indy Coug

12/21/20 3:02pm

Wrong. D getting trucked by the same lame running play was the biggest problem.

shammy

12/21/20 3:12pm

Wrong. The offense was to blame.

LyleLanley

12/21/20 3:53pm

Incorrect. D getting repeatedly blown up on simple run plays was to blame.

shammy

12/21/20 5:07pm

Wrong. The offense squandering possessions was at fault.

LyleLanley

12/21/20 5:13pm

I just want to go on record (again) that I'm not trying to deflect blame from

rcbyufan

12/21/20 5:24pm

The O is the reason we lost that game. Number of possessions excuse for the O is false and a red herring:

mvtoro

12/21/20 8:24pm

The offense played bad. They're the reason we lost. But that doesn't mean the D

rcbyufan

12/21/20 8:39pm

Thank you for your pity. My neurologist and I are still working on the "two thoughts in the... what was I saying?

mvtoro

12/22/20 3:31pm

False. The D failing to stop CCU’s main run play was the issue.

shammy

12/21/20 8:23pm

D held them to 22 points. Including 3 gifted by the offense on a turnover. Did enough to win. Offense had 11 drives and

mvtoro

12/21/20 8:26pm

22 points against 4 total plays run is the problem. The O choked but the D

Ash

12/21/20 8:30pm

True. The D didn’t rescue the offense. But it shouldn’t have had to. Everyone here says our offense is better than our D

mvtoro

12/21/20 8:40pm

Your crusade to make sure everybody is aware of the poor performance of our O

rcbyufan

12/21/20 8:47pm

And yet the exact comments I’m responding to are people saying it was the defense that lost the game as opposed to the o

mvtoro

12/21/20 9:15pm

This is clearly false on cougar board. Almost as clear as how well the d played

I'm Dynamite

12/27/20 5:00am

The reason this is even a discussion is because the O excelled in just about

Ash

12/21/20 8:51pm

Our defense played better against CCU than the O. "Not debatable." The fact that the Offense, as you said, has usually

mvtoro

12/22/20 3:29pm

It wasn't simple

Z-Ute

12/21/20 7:42pm

Some simple adjustments. Stop playing safeties 40yds deep against a QB

shammy

12/21/20 8:21pm

Agreed. The offense played horribly. No doubt about it.

rcbyufan

12/21/20 3:22pm

Again, short week

Z-Ute

12/21/20 3:42pm

I don't know how anyone could watch that game and not think they were the

rcbyufan

12/21/20 3:45pm

No question BYU could beat CCU

Z-Ute

12/21/20 7:34pm

Watching the Utah game on Saturday brought this home. Their D locked up

Ash

12/21/20 4:16pm

Only because of short notice

Z-Ute

12/21/20 3:39pm

2 desperation drives at the end of halves

HairyCougar

12/21/20 2:03pm

Okay so 9 drives 17 points. Interesting

LyleLanley

12/21/20 2:07pm

Penalties and dumb play calls killed at least 4 drives of ours

bad84cougar

12/21/20 4:34pm

Their guys slip at the one and Tuiaki is a brilliant DC. Our guys commit a

HairyCougar

12/21/20 4:38pm

BYU averaged less than 2 points per drive for their other 9 drives. That ain't getting it done against anyone

Indy Coug

12/21/20 2:07pm

FIELD POSITION

HairyCougar

12/21/20 4:27pm

This has been addressed already

-C9-

12/21/20 5:57pm

We have had horrible field position all year.

LyleLanley

12/21/20 2:07pm

We rank 93rd in average starting field position.

ManicBlue

12/21/20 3:06pm

Link?

Indy Coug

12/21/20 3:10pm

RE: Link?

ManicBlue

12/21/20 3:12pm

Looks like we have a net field position of 1.2. This puts us at average.

I'm Dynamite

12/21/20 8:44pm

Huh?

ManicBlue

12/22/20 2:45am

Ah, so the D gives the O 71.9 (#93). For ref: 69.0 (#25), 67.0 (#10).

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 10:26am

Check our starting field position against the best 2 defenses we faced this year

ManicBlue

12/22/20 11:46am

I mean, I appreciate it for measurable effects. I am frustrated watching it.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 11:50am

RE: I mean, I appreciate it for measurable effects. I am frustrated watching it.

ManicBlue

12/22/20 12:02pm

These effects are measurable. I need numbers. I gave some, too.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 12:06pm

It's not hard to look them up.

ManicBlue

12/22/20 12:36pm

That's just a few yards of bend though. See my post here:

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 12:40pm

RE: That's just a few yards of bend though. See my post here:

ManicBlue

12/22/20 2:40pm

I didn't. Got a link?

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 2:44pm

The offense started an average of 73.3 yards away vs CCU, versus their season average of 71.9

Indy Coug

12/22/20 2:59pm

I think Allgeier got hurt in the 2nd half, too.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 3:04pm

Drive by drive starting field position:

Corn Pop

12/21/20 2:29pm

Agreed

Indy Coug

12/21/20 2:34pm

Huge coaching mistake on our second to last drive to punt the ball with less

ManicBlue

12/21/20 3:29pm

Totally agree

LyleLanley

12/21/20 3:55pm

That had more to do with our running game being non-existent and how they controlled the LOS.

-C9-

12/21/20 6:06pm

Hidden key point: Defense stiffens up near the goal line. I figure that is

mudpupper

12/21/20 2:33pm

its true. You can't have your LBs standing 20 yards deep from the goal line

shammy

12/21/20 5:09pm

In a bend don't break, you stiffen up the further in they get. Normal design.

I'm Dynamite

12/21/20 8:45pm

How about having the DL shift before the snap or switch the D look before snap?

scott715

12/21/20 5:17pm

Same thing with UTSA. Didn't they have a 20 play drive taking 10+ minutes?

oldrugger

12/21/20 5:41pm

mvtoro

12/21/20 8:33pm

How is this a weakness?

niqmadu

12/22/20 7:17am

The problem is until this season our offense

Ash

12/22/20 7:53am

Why do you need to change the defense??

niqmadu

12/22/20 9:47am

Because the D doesn't work against competent teams. That's why. We played 2

Ash

12/22/20 10:42am

I worry the offense won't work against great defenses, too. Both will need to

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 10:46am

don't worry, as long as we can throw water in one corner of the field and let it

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