Watching the Utah game on Saturday brought this home. Their D locked up

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Dec 21, 2020
4:16:09pm

Ash Honor Code Monitor

Watching the Utah game on Saturday brought this home. Their D locked up

WSU and held them to like 4 straight 3 and outs and Utah scored TD's off each of those on the way to a win. That is how a D wins a game w/o scoring any points. Our D got a few stops like that but mostly they got trucked and provided no energy to the offense. It sucks to watch and is ineffective against any O with a pulse.

BYU got punched in the mouth and didn't have the balls to fight back is what happened. Both lines got steamrolled and CCU played with intensity whereas our guys looked like they thought they'd win just by showing up.

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Ash

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BYU's weakness:

Hawk Talons

12/21/20 1:38pm

UCF doesn't eat up tons of clock. They are the fastest tempo offense in the nation

Indy Coug

12/21/20 1:40pm

That's a good thing for us.

HighHorse

12/21/20 1:45pm

Tuiaki: "Hold my diet coke."

slowhiteguy

12/21/20 2:47pm

This made me laugh out loud.

12/21/20 7:11pm

Honestly, I feel like SDSU got several very lucky 3rd down conversions where the

12/21/20 1:45pm

SDSU seems to always have good receivers.

Hawk Talons

12/21/20 1:47pm

There were some truly amazing catches by SDSU receivers in that game.

BYUtka

12/21/20 1:52pm

Their tight end made a couple of spectacular catches laying out for the ball

12/21/20 1:58pm

Yes, but I think Rex's TD catch one up'ed him. 😃

Ungoy

12/21/20 2:40pm

If anything BYU got lucky

HairyCougar

12/21/20 2:01pm

Not sure if you understand the brilliance of the Tuiaki defense. SDSU did

BYUlv

12/21/20 2:21pm

And we complain about our coaches. Such a simple concept.

Y05

12/21/20 2:44pm

His defense banks on the other team making a mistake. If they run enough plays

Powerbait DPM

12/21/20 2:52pm

Unless they don't...

cougaman

12/21/20 4:37pm

SDSU's anemic offense with a scrub...maybe. Any decent offense?

HairyCougar

12/21/20 4:40pm

Which is such a moronic concept. More plays = more good plays, too

reddead

12/21/20 4:57pm

The Show? Is that you?

Little Mac

12/21/20 11:01pm

Your signature is pretty awesome.

bob falfa

12/21/20 3:02pm

Have always loved that video. Funny how the yellow shirts leave the poor guy

CT98

12/21/20 9:33pm

While this is true

I'mBatman

12/21/20 4:34pm

No, we gave them 3rd downs with the 3 man rush. All day to pass.

oldrugger

12/21/20 5:42pm

Feels like BYU defense is destined to give up unlikely 3rd down conversions

djbryant79

12/21/20 8:36pm

I think the d players went to Sitaki and asked how can we spend more time on

bald man

12/21/20 1:49pm

BYU's defensive weakness is that when the opposing offense plays mistake free,

ldssdl

12/21/20 1:54pm

Didn’t we have 11 or 12 offensive possessions against CC?

LyleLanley

12/21/20 2:01pm

BYU had 11 possessions. They average 11.5 possessions per game in 2020.

Indy Coug

12/21/20 2:03pm

This is another stupid stat. As soon as you're up 3 TD's you want to shorten

rcbyufan

12/21/20 2:40pm

BYU's offensive impotence was the biggest problem that game. They had plenty of chances and squandered most of them

Indy Coug

12/21/20 3:02pm

Wrong. D getting trucked by the same lame running play was the biggest problem.

shammy

12/21/20 3:12pm

Wrong. The offense was to blame.

LyleLanley

12/21/20 3:53pm

Incorrect. D getting repeatedly blown up on simple run plays was to blame.

shammy

12/21/20 5:07pm

Wrong. The offense squandering possessions was at fault.

LyleLanley

12/21/20 5:13pm

I just want to go on record (again) that I'm not trying to deflect blame from

rcbyufan

12/21/20 5:24pm

The O is the reason we lost that game. Number of possessions excuse for the O is false and a red herring:

mvtoro

12/21/20 8:24pm

The offense played bad. They're the reason we lost. But that doesn't mean the D

rcbyufan

12/21/20 8:39pm

Thank you for your pity. My neurologist and I are still working on the "two thoughts in the... what was I saying?

mvtoro

12/22/20 3:31pm

False. The D failing to stop CCU’s main run play was the issue.

shammy

12/21/20 8:23pm

D held them to 22 points. Including 3 gifted by the offense on a turnover. Did enough to win. Offense had 11 drives and

mvtoro

12/21/20 8:26pm

22 points against 4 total plays run is the problem. The O choked but the D

Ash

12/21/20 8:30pm

True. The D didn’t rescue the offense. But it shouldn’t have had to. Everyone here says our offense is better than our D

mvtoro

12/21/20 8:40pm

Your crusade to make sure everybody is aware of the poor performance of our O

rcbyufan

12/21/20 8:47pm

And yet the exact comments I’m responding to are people saying it was the defense that lost the game as opposed to the o

mvtoro

12/21/20 9:15pm

This is clearly false on cougar board. Almost as clear as how well the d played

I'm Dynamite

12/27/20 5:00am

The reason this is even a discussion is because the O excelled in just about

Ash

12/21/20 8:51pm

Our defense played better against CCU than the O. "Not debatable." The fact that the Offense, as you said, has usually

mvtoro

12/22/20 3:29pm

It wasn't simple

Z-Ute

12/21/20 7:42pm

Some simple adjustments. Stop playing safeties 40yds deep against a QB

shammy

12/21/20 8:21pm

Agreed. The offense played horribly. No doubt about it.

rcbyufan

12/21/20 3:22pm

Again, short week

Z-Ute

12/21/20 3:42pm

I don't know how anyone could watch that game and not think they were the

rcbyufan

12/21/20 3:45pm

No question BYU could beat CCU

Z-Ute

12/21/20 7:34pm

Watching the Utah game on Saturday brought this home. Their D locked up

Ash

12/21/20 4:16pm

Only because of short notice

Z-Ute

12/21/20 3:39pm

2 desperation drives at the end of halves

HairyCougar

12/21/20 2:03pm

Okay so 9 drives 17 points. Interesting

LyleLanley

12/21/20 2:07pm

Penalties and dumb play calls killed at least 4 drives of ours

bad84cougar

12/21/20 4:34pm

Their guys slip at the one and Tuiaki is a brilliant DC. Our guys commit a

HairyCougar

12/21/20 4:38pm

BYU averaged less than 2 points per drive for their other 9 drives. That ain't getting it done against anyone

Indy Coug

12/21/20 2:07pm

FIELD POSITION

HairyCougar

12/21/20 4:27pm

This has been addressed already

-C9-

12/21/20 5:57pm

We have had horrible field position all year.

LyleLanley

12/21/20 2:07pm

We rank 93rd in average starting field position.

ManicBlue

12/21/20 3:06pm

Link?

Indy Coug

12/21/20 3:10pm

RE: Link?

ManicBlue

12/21/20 3:12pm

Looks like we have a net field position of 1.2. This puts us at average.

I'm Dynamite

12/21/20 8:44pm

Huh?

ManicBlue

12/22/20 2:45am

Ah, so the D gives the O 71.9 (#93). For ref: 69.0 (#25), 67.0 (#10).

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 10:26am

Check our starting field position against the best 2 defenses we faced this year

ManicBlue

12/22/20 11:46am

I mean, I appreciate it for measurable effects. I am frustrated watching it.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 11:50am

RE: I mean, I appreciate it for measurable effects. I am frustrated watching it.

ManicBlue

12/22/20 12:02pm

These effects are measurable. I need numbers. I gave some, too.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 12:06pm

It's not hard to look them up.

ManicBlue

12/22/20 12:36pm

That's just a few yards of bend though. See my post here:

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 12:40pm

RE: That's just a few yards of bend though. See my post here:

ManicBlue

12/22/20 2:40pm

I didn't. Got a link?

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 2:44pm

The offense started an average of 73.3 yards away vs CCU, versus their season average of 71.9

Indy Coug

12/22/20 2:59pm

I think Allgeier got hurt in the 2nd half, too.

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 3:04pm

Drive by drive starting field position:

Corn Pop

12/21/20 2:29pm

Agreed

Indy Coug

12/21/20 2:34pm

Huge coaching mistake on our second to last drive to punt the ball with less

ManicBlue

12/21/20 3:29pm

Totally agree

LyleLanley

12/21/20 3:55pm

That had more to do with our running game being non-existent and how they controlled the LOS.

-C9-

12/21/20 6:06pm

Hidden key point: Defense stiffens up near the goal line. I figure that is

mudpupper

12/21/20 2:33pm

its true. You can't have your LBs standing 20 yards deep from the goal line

shammy

12/21/20 5:09pm

In a bend don't break, you stiffen up the further in they get. Normal design.

I'm Dynamite

12/21/20 8:45pm

How about having the DL shift before the snap or switch the D look before snap?

scott715

12/21/20 5:17pm

Same thing with UTSA. Didn't they have a 20 play drive taking 10+ minutes?

oldrugger

12/21/20 5:41pm

Need more from the defense if we’re going to do well next year, but BYU’s loss this year was on the offense:

mvtoro

12/21/20 8:33pm

How is this a weakness?

niqmadu

12/22/20 7:17am

The problem is until this season our offense

Ash

12/22/20 7:53am

Why do you need to change the defense??

niqmadu

12/22/20 9:47am

Because the D doesn't work against competent teams. That's why. We played 2

Ash

12/22/20 10:42am

I worry the offense won't work against great defenses, too. Both will need to

I'm Dynamite

12/22/20 10:46am

don't worry, as long as we can throw water in one corner of the field and let it

southprovocougar

12/22/20 12:14pm

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