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POLL: Which is the better team

Indy Coug Loquacious Lummox

3:00pm

BYU had the 13th most difficult SOS in the Big12, per Sagarin

Indy Coug Loquacious Lummox

2:57pm

Just think...Utah's would have been lower if they could have played themselves

The Chief

2:59pm

One thing about SOS is winning makes it a weaker SOS. If we had gone 2-7 instead

gwalker

3:02pm

NIL Media Reports

The Chief

2:57pm

In reference to schedule makers, and conferences foes, here is the riddle of the

BYU I Bleed Blue

2:51pm

They announced the schedule on 1/30/2024 last year

Indy Coug

2:52pm

I know, we still have a long ways to go, that is why I was joking about

BYU I Bleed Blue

2:57pm

If there's a god in heaven, this will happen

Indy Coug Loquacious Lummox

2:45pm

The only SEC team to make the final 4 is 1st year member Texas.

Mister P

2:42pm

Former Big 12 member Texas

WDaddy

2:43pm

Thought about this. Then I remembered the only Big 12 to get in

CougaRR4L

2:44pm

New Hardcore History episode just dropped

DKN

2:38pm

Literally thought this was a history of hardcore music. Thought was weird

MD Rebel Coug

2:41pm

RE: Literally thought this was a history of hardcore music. Thought was weird

scootsy

2:43pm

OR staff would hate me if I was a surgeon.

MD Rebel Coug

2:45pm

RE: Literally thought this was a history of hardcore music. Thought was weird

Sea Chicken

2:44pm

It's a very strong recommend for this podcast series.

Indy Coug

2:44pm

Like the series and the topics, don't like his dramatic voice

TheLoanArranger

2:48pm

I love his stuff. It's always a pain to wait the 6 months for the next episode.

P-Widdy

2:46pm

POLL: With the exception of the Texas vs ASU game, bowl games have been more entertaining than the CFP games

HuskerFan2

2:35pm

The ND v Georgia game was competitive and entertaining

Accipiter

2:41pm

I've only watched a couple others.

SWKTNative

2:44pm

Changes to the CFP that I think should be made.

ohiocougar

2:33pm

I think the home games are dumb

2FarGone

2:37pm

Who said BYU fans were soft?

DudeBro

2:42pm

Playing football in 10 degree weather is fine, but sitting in the stands and watching it truly sucks.

2FarGone

2:49pm

It’s in the 50s in Provo right now

Charles Darwin

2:56pm

I’d give G5 teams their own playoff.

CougFan4EverEver

2:38pm

there needs to be a chance for a Cinderella to do something,

It's A Bowling Ball

2:45pm

Recommendations for electric go-karts

Pwride

2:33pm

Our Razor go karts worked for a decade replacing the battery a few times.

JAGA97

2:35pm

Took a Waymo from Marina Del Rey to Santa Monica. Pretty good customer

Florida Man

2:32pm

I thought it's only been tested in SF and Phoenix. I took it last October from

Genghis Spreads

2:35pm

Looks like it started West LA Service on November 12

Florida Man

2:38pm

They are all over the west side now. I live near LMU

1manwolfpack

2:43pm

Is the Waymo tech going to be the rival to Tesla with auto makers using it

JoMax

2:45pm

Is this poster actually looking for cheapest way to get ESPN+ ?

Cougrrrs Roll

2:30pm

What channel is it on Direct TV?

DieHarder

2:31pm

RE: What channel is it on Direct TV?

Indy Coug

2:31pm

1172.

rainorsnow

2:33pm

Correct, but the category is college football so I think he is actually looking

RGGeemer

2:32pm

BYU football is over for the year

Cougrrrs Roll

2:38pm

It's not the BYU football category

RGGeemer

2:56pm

He’s looking for ESPN Flagship (soon to have a name) which launches next fall.

rainorsnow

2:35pm

I understand why people hate it this season, but FPI is a decent model

bythenumbers

2:28pm

as BamaCoug has stated several times today on CB and Twitter FPI was wrong 52%

Schultz is back

2:31pm

Read my post on model calibration. I don't think I agree with his method.

bythenumbers

2:35pm

I understand how models work and that taking one game in isolation doesn't prove

Schultz is back

2:43pm

You shouldn't just evaluate the prediction but the degree of confidence

bythenumbers

2:51pm

I want Jackson Dart.

Deacon4life

2:25pm

Hmmmmmmmmm

TNT

2:25pm

I can think of one pretty good reason not to make it

darkcoug

2:26pm

Do you have a Time Machine?

NYCougz

2:26pm

Dart is going pro

2FarGone

2:26pm

I want a toilet seat made of solid gold

MormonThug

2:26pm

But why?

TNT

2:27pm

RE: I want a toilet seat made of solid gold

MrSandman

2:27pm

RE: I want a toilet seat made of solid gold

bluesloth

2:33pm

He's done in college.

Adrielle

2:26pm

He still has another year if he wants it.

tacallaway

2:33pm

Is this because of his JuCo hear at USC while they were still Pac12?

Yucaterco

2:40pm

Actually, I'm wrong, I thought he filed a waiver to get back the USC year.

tacallaway

2:44pm

Could definitely be worth a swing on Day Two. What’s your NFL team?

DieHarder

2:26pm

Dart rhymes with...

Benfica1

2:29pm

Any relation to Jaxson Dart?

foofcoug

2:29pm

We already have "Jackson" Dart at home.

AltTabbins

2:57pm

Is three nights at an all-inclusive enough if you are not planning to leave the

RH84025

2:24pm

If you're on the west coast, 3 nights in Cabo is plenty but not ideal. I've did

reagan21

2:26pm

We have one we've gone to the past two years, did 5 nights each time

wannnacruise

2:37pm

I think 0 days in Cabo is perfect

maxpowers

2:38pm

Who should be the champion?

Carnac

2:24pm

Article: Big 12 showdown at Houston will tell us a lot about Kevin Young’s first BYU basketball team View

[Deseret News]

2:21pm

Let’s hope it’s better than their only other true away game.

idcougarfan

2:41pm

This slowmo video of the INT in the Alamo bowl is cool.

RexIdaCoug

2:20pm

how many jews play for BY....oh, slowmo. Sorry.

reagan21

2:22pm

Reactions of people on sidelines in the background after the hit and before the

Crowd Factor

2:25pm

Is that Taylor McGregor in the black sparkly getup? She seemed impressed.

UCLACoug

2:46pm

The ball hanging there like the table cloth was pulled is awesome

Akilleez

2:31pm

I stayed up way too late last night watching this. Was so good though. Took 33

Undefeated

2:19pm

I stayed up waaay to late last night watching Juror 2 and

Crowd Factor

2:28pm

My wife and daughter just finished watching Juror # 2 a few minutes ago

Coug98

2:40pm

POLL: Who are you more likely to want included in the CFP?

Indy Coug Loquacious Lummox

2:18pm

what if it's the same team?

reagan21

2:19pm

Nope. Not the hypothetical given here.

Indy Coug

2:19pm

Whichever team is BYU

2FarGone

2:21pm

If you voted for Utah St., you’re a flat earther.

Indy Coug

2:22pm

How is revenue sharing going to jive with title IX

Big12Yfan

2:15pm

NIL (name image and likeness). Hopefully that's enough to keep equity and title IX at bay.

fldnstrm

2:18pm

ESPN FPI: The purpose of a system is what it does

Bobber Contributor

2:13pm

Assuming bad faith because you disagree with the results is ridiculous.

TCuz

2:18pm

And assuming good faith with ESPN is far more ridiculous, naive, or just plain

Mitty

2:25pm

You can empirically test its accuracy.

Indy Coug

2:19pm

According to this, it's one of the best out there when it comes to predicting

cougarfan84

2:25pm

It’s toasting most of the other 54 rankings listed.

Indy Coug

2:27pm

I saw your post on this earlier.

fanbraves10

2:43pm

Is CB still upset over the transfer of Crew Wakley? Didn't look like we missed him at all in the bowl game...

Adrielle Board Misanthrope

2:11pm

No. But some are still sad about Crew Wakley.

foofcoug

2:12pm

Who? Not all, Damuni is the future and played well the last few games

pegushin

2:12pm

He's going to be an animal.

ChinaFan

2:17pm

That sack in the bowl game. He got to Sanders like a missile

Adrielle

2:19pm

He takes horrible angles and it has happened multiple times in multiple games

Big12Yfan

2:35pm

He does need to improve open-field tackling.

LeGrandBleu

2:36pm

Wasn't upset. Would have preferred to keep him. Haven't looked at the numbers

byubyu

2:13pm

He won't be missed.

Adrielle

2:15pm

RE: He won't be missed.

foofcoug

2:21pm

<< Deleted >>

Adrielle

2:23pm

#SlammedIt

Sid Vicious

2:37pm

i wonder what his teammates think.

Belboz

2:56pm

Why say this?

porl thompson

2:24pm

Because of the recent rumors…

kalifi

2:30pm

Ouch.

Benfica1

2:27pm

Damuni, Satuala, Prassas, Leach all have higher ceilings

arizonacougarfan

2:18pm

Kabeya looks to be the really-good-but-small dude to replace Robinson at Nickel

SinkingQuffa

2:32pm

but Wakley's basement was so much lower that he was a tough loss

Belboz

2:33pm

I think you meant higher.

SinkingQuffa

2:36pm

I meant what I wrote and understand that it may be very confusing

Belboz

2:52pm

Crew was a key piece for us — & likely was a diff-maker in a game or two for us

SinkingQuffa

2:19pm

He just may have been the difference maker in a few games.

cougaman

2:21pm

At least one

El Careeb

2:23pm

CB consensus is he was unlikely to have future impact and wishing him well

vagabonder

2:19pm

Only cuz he's not likely to get the opportunities he did this season. Crew's a

SinkingQuffa

2:23pm

Yes. There was a reason he was starting over the others.

Texas_forever

2:20pm

Why did he lose playing time?

Jeffacka

2:57pm

Not anymore

El Careeb

2:22pm

I am sad that he is gone as he was a very good player. That being said BYU is very deep there

kimdaddy35

2:23pm

Still upset? I'm not sure I saw that reaction from CB

CougarCanuck76

2:24pm

I thought I did at the time, now I’m not so sure

cougaman

2:36pm

Wakley was good for BYU. Upset? Hope he does well.

Benfica1

2:26pm

that's unfortunately questionable

Belboz

2:33pm

I just crossed a busy street at a crosswalk.

Sea Chicken Freeloader

2:07pm

Board name checks out

Peterbilt

2:08pm

road cyclists are the most arrogant blowhards. No offense.

maxpowers

2:08pm

I agree. Yes offense

Peterbilt

2:08pm

Thumbs up for the first sentence in your reply

Jericho

2:11pm

Why did Sea Chicken cross the road?

pink22

2:08pm

So Indy could get to the other side

TNT

2:17pm

RE: So Indy could get to the other side

TwinsRight

2:19pm

and since they are 100% in the wrong, that is when I throw a broomstick through their wheel

ChinaFan

2:08pm

RE: and since they are 100% in the wrong, that is when I throw a broomstick

JAGA97

2:09pm

Who carries with them a broomstick?

TNT

2:18pm

Witches

Sea Chicken

2:43pm

Road cyclists average 4-5 flip offs per hour on average

CSoul

2:14pm

that's why they wear helmets and pads.

reagan21

2:24pm

Should've kicked them over.

Mister P

2:26pm

Cyclists are the worst.

LifeLongLakerFan

2:40pm

Hilarious! How many of us used Roman-candles & bottle rockets in a similar way?

IronPotato

2:03pm

🙋‍♂️

GFCougar

2:38pm

4 loss Bama's ranking, per the analytics

Indy Coug Loquacious Lummox

2:02pm

Analytic models give way too much credit for losses to good teams. Its a loss. Not all losses are equal, but still an L

Crazy Joe Davola

2:04pm

Analytics are primarily driven by scoring margins, adjusted for the quality of the opponent

Indy Coug

2:05pm

Sounds like you prefer resume metrics, such as SOR, SP+ resume, or K Ford Most Deserving

TCuz

2:10pm

Losses just need to be weighted heavily against a team. A 4 loss Bama team is not a top 10 team (top 5 in some of those)

Crazy Joe Davola

2:15pm

The purpose of FPI is as a predictive tool. Maybe that’s the disconnect

TCuz

2:20pm

There should be a difference, then, between ranking a team and predicting

Carnac

2:26pm

But nobody is voting Alabama as a top 5 team, so I’m confused about what we are even mad about

TCuz

2:31pm

Just realized they played Michigan in their final game 2 years in a row.

JAGA97

2:04pm

That dang eye test

GFCougar

2:05pm

This is the exact opposite of the eye test.

TCuz

2:06pm

Right. This shows that the eye test does have some merit as opposed to the

GFCougar

2:41pm

Hey, good losses matter!

TrueBlue67

2:09pm

How does that make sense with losses and getting blown out in some games?

Tuskaloosa Cougar

2:11pm

3 of the 4 losses were by a combined 18 points so only one was a blowout

Indy Coug

2:14pm

Garbage data in... Garbage data out. The core metrics are bad.

BYUtka

2:14pm

If the garbage beats the Vegas spread more often than not, how garbage-y is it

Indy Coug

2:16pm

The SEC is getting filthy rich using it.

BYUtka

2:41pm

And you could too. It's up to you if you want to be rich or be wrong.

Indy Coug

2:43pm

They cheat with recruiting rankings. When someone gets an offer from an SEC school their star ranking goes up. These

HarlemCoug

2:15pm

We should just stop playing games and rank based on measures.

Carnac

2:12pm

How do you do that when everyone plays a vastly different schedule?

PHXSUNS31

2:14pm

The measures come from playing the games.

Indy Coug

2:14pm

Weird then. Four losses. Where do those play into the analytics?

Carnac

2:16pm

It turns out when you play a weak schedule you don’t lose as much

Odysseus

2:34pm

Explain Oklahoma.

Carnac

2:37pm

Teams lose. Do you question all data and metrics when the Dodgers drop a series to the Rockies?

TCuz

2:39pm

Should the games be played?

Carnac

2:46pm

Of course. Games matter. That’s why Alabama was excluded despite these metrics.

TCuz

2:48pm

A talented team in a tough environment played in the middle of an SEC schedule

Odysseus

2:53pm

The system is so rigged that even when they lose they win. This is data that needs national attention. When you post it

HarlemCoug

2:12pm

People should focus more on who teams beat than who they lost to

Odysseus

2:31pm

Why? Both are relevant.

LifeLongLakerFan

2:42pm

Of course they’re relevant. But we have to make judgments about who is better

Odysseus

2:54pm

What about teams that you made score a lot of points to beat you? Think 🌹

GFCougar

2:53pm

Do any of these models publish their assumptions and limitations?

kcca

2:47pm

RE: I posted on X in reply to an ESPN post and my reply got more response than

Trent

1:57pm

Enjoy your 15 minutes. Well done.

BluesBrother

2:05pm

ha ha ha. Not even 15 minutes given virtually nobody will read the article. It

Trent

2:10pm

Well, maybe you’ve got another 14 min. coming to you then.

BluesBrother

2:40pm

Ha ha. I was interviewed on CNBC once for about 3 minutes so 11 minutes left 😉

Trent

2:43pm

Nice. I agree with your take.

dfudge

2:05pm

Anyone know a place that serves good Chile Verde in

LDTemplar

1:56pm

El Mexiquense in Lehi

Hypnotoad

2:01pm

Many years ago La Frontera in Midvale was the only place I found in SL County

Thrill

2:01pm

Try Sol Agave, pricey for a Mexican joint but good. However, if you're willing

RockyBalboa

2:02pm

It doesn’t exist unfortunately

Big12Yfan

2:11pm

ESPN+
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Great work by Bamacoug in exposing ESPN's FPI rankings:

Chaz Ah You - coaches lied

No rivalry game in November and last four games are away.

Catchings was in a slump for awhile with a very poor shot selection. Young mentioned he wanted Kanon to focus

So cool to see in slow motion

BYU is ready to pay the $20.5M to its Athletes this Spring

I want Jackson Dart.

was looking at the big12 matchups this Saturday on ESPN and had to laugh at the

Who says no?

BYU should go after him. Offered him in 2021

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